NRA slams the President over Hypocrisy

[Triumph]

It's not like Sasha and Malia just go to some random Private school. Sidwell Friends also schools the children of dignitaries, diplomats, congress members, etc. Therefore, its not out of the ordinary to have armed guards at the school or escorting the children to school especially since they are also targets in the eyes of evil do-ers.


And why are you guys outraged by this anyway? Didn't we all have a flame war about how school shootings are rare here in the US? So, why do we need armed guards at every school in the US? If the security is necessary for an institution on an individual basis, sure...I'm all for it. Sasha and Malia just so happen to attend an institution that needs such protection.

For the rest of us Peasants, for most of the year..our children leave for school and come back home alive and well. I'm pretty sure they don't receive death threats on anything like that either. So whats up with the fake outrage?

Again, I agree with this poster as well. Our kids aren't as high of a profile target as those of dignitaries, senators, presidents, diplomats, etc. so they don't need full time protection while at school. It doesn't make economic, statistic, or practical sense. By this same token, there's really no reasoning behind banning assault weapons in order to protect them either, because it is already established that they don't need protection.

Seems to me a case of having your cake and eating it too, otherwise.

For the record, I don't want armed guards everywhere. I don't like the idea of living in a police state, or sending my kids to what amounts to be a prison. That's why concealed carry is great, I can protect myself without living in the Gulag.

 

[SheHateMe]

Why cant people understand me?

If obama wants security/SS for his daughters I dont have a problem with it but dont make me pay for it let him pay for it. Why is this so hard to understand?

Shut. Up.

 

[berzerker60]

Hey idiots, anyone who has a credible threat on his life can get police protection. How many threats do you think the First Family gets each day? Just maybe that has something to do with having special protection.

 

[PokerGuy]

Hey idiots, anyone who has a credible threat on his life can get police protection.

Really? Link please to relevant statutes.

 

[Incorruptible]

Hey idiots, anyone who has a credible threat on his life can get police protection. How many threats do you think the First Family gets each day? Just maybe that has something to do with having special protection.

Really? If this is true then how much resources would have to be used for this?

Here is a better idea, anyone who has a credible threat on their life or any law abiding citizen can get a gun and protect themselves. Why would someone want constant police all around them?

 

[zinfamous]

The question isn't whether the President's children should have security or not, the question is why regular Americans aren't allowed the same privilege.

I think it's a pretty weak argument given the array of more practical concerns with gun control, but it's a valid question. Given that the government is spending it's heart out, why not spend comparatively little to help secure schools?

sorry, the president's children are more important.

why? Any threat to them is a risk to national security. period.

The NRA are a bunch of fucking clowns for even suggesting such an asinine comparison. I meant to look for the expected yahoos this morning posting this, and see what kind of brainless support they give to this outright fallacy, and of course...I am not surprised (not you, irishScott)

 

[dmens]

sorry, the president's children are more important.

why? Any threat to them is a risk to national security. period.

The NRA are a bunch of fucking clowns for even suggesting such an asinine comparison. I meant to look for the expected yahoos this morning posting this, and see what kind of brainless support they give to this outright fallacy, and of course...I am not surprised (not you, irishScott)

Implying the ruling regime will not survive the harming of the thief-in-chief's family. LOL, national security.

 

[zinfamous]

So its alright for obama to have SS for his daughters at TAXPAYERS EXPENSE, massive waste of money but he has a problem with armed guards. Gotta love the hypocrisy that comes from the POS

yes yes, the SS is an institution created by and for the sole purpose of Obama's evil agenda. No president has ever before used the SS. And I'm sure if they had, you would be equally incensed over this.

you are a useless clown, Incorruptible.

 

[zinfamous]

Implying the ruling regime will not survive the harming of the thief-in-chief's family. LOL, national security.

ah yes, your descriptive words lend much credence to the expectation that you are making a sound and reasoned argument.

:thumbsup:

 

[dmens]

ah yes, your descriptive words lend much credence to the expectation that you are making a sound and reasoned argument.

:thumbsup:

Calling a spade a spade offends you? Funny coming from a guy who rants about the "fucking clowns" who dare question the Dear Leader.

Your blithe assertion that the lives of politicians are somehow more valuable than everyone else stinks of lese majesty, which is exactly opposite to what this country was founded on.

 

[fskimospy]

Calling a spade a spade offends you? Funny coming from a guy who rants about the "fucking clowns" who dare question the Dear Leader.

Your blithe assertion that the lives of politicians are somehow more valuable than everyone else stinks of lese majesty, which is exactly opposite to what this country was founded on.

Yes, the president's life is more valuable than yours.

How do you not understand that.

 

[OrByte]

Calling a spade a spade offends you? Funny coming from a guy who rants about the "fucking clowns" who dare question the Dear Leader.

Your blithe assertion that the lives of politicians are somehow more valuable than everyone else stinks of lese majesty, which is exactly opposite to what this country was founded on.

The mental midgets are out in force today!!

Obama's kids....GWB's kids...Clinton's kids....go alllll the way back as far as you like to

The POTUS family is considered high value targets and therefore high risk to National Security so it gets a very serious security detail when they go to the mall, to school, to Spain, to Disneyland you name it.

Deal with it.

you guys are making a fool of yourselves....again.

 

[zinfamous]

Calling a spade a spade offends you? Funny coming from a guy who rants about the "fucking clowns" who dare question the Dear Leader.

Your blithe assertion that the lives of politicians are somehow more valuable than everyone else stinks of lese majesty, which is exactly opposite to what this country was founded on.

sorry. you and your safety are more or less...insignificant compared to the president.

I'm sorry that you don't get that. well...not sorry. just sad, in a way, that you are this dumb.

 

[dmens]

Yes, the president's life is more valuable than yours.

How do you not understand that.

sorry. you and your safety are more or less...insignificant compared to the president.

I'm sorry that you don't get that. well...not sorry. just sad, in a way, that you are this dumb.

Naturally it would to statists who place a higher value on the state than the people. To people who view the state with the contempt it deserves (i.e. smart, thinking people), the lives of politicians are worth just as much as anyone else.

 

[fskimospy]

Naturally it would to statists who place a higher value on the state than the people. To people who view the state with the contempt it deserves (i.e. smart, thinking people), the lives of politicians are worth just as much as anyone else.

Yes, truly no human is any more valuable than any other. Clearly your genius is deserving of its own secret service detail, unfortunately since all human lives are of equal value the job of guards is being abolished.

Thanks for the heads up you smart, thinking guy.

 

[dmens]

Yes, truly no human is any more valuable than any other. Clearly your genius is deserving of its own secret service detail, unfortunately since all human lives are of equal value the job of guards is being abolished.

Thanks for the heads up you smart, thinking guy.

LOL, nice strawman. I don't think I should have a secret service detail. If POTUS thinks he is so important, he can pay for his own security, just like the old days before the advent of the Total State. Presidents were assassinated in those days? And nothing of value was lost.

This is irrelevant in any case. Even if you believe the lives of the plebs are worthless compared to the ruling class, that does not justify the state forbidding people from defending themselves with their own resources in the same way that the ruling class is protected with taxpayer money.

Some people are more valuable. Politicians are definitely not among them.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL, nice strawman. I don't think I should have a secret service detail. If POTUS thinks he is so important, he can pay for his own security, just like the old days before the advent of the Total State. Presidents were assassinated in those days? And nothing of value was lost.

This is irrelevant in any case. Even if you believe the lives of the plebs are worthless compared to the ruling class, that does not justify the state forbidding people from defending themselves with their own resources in the same way that the ruling class is protected with taxpayer money.

Some people are more valuable. Politicians are definitely not among them.

Well the rest of us think otherwise, which is why we pay for it. Try not to cut yourself on that 3dg3 though.

 

[dmens]

Well the rest of us think otherwise, which is why we pay for it. Try not to cut yourself on that 3dg3 though.

Ah yes, citing tyranny of the majority always makes a convincing moral argument.

In any case, the relative values of lives doesn't change the fact that Obama is a hypocrite, because Sidwell Friends also has a dozen private armed guards. So how can you justify depriving the plebs of the right to defend themselves with their own money in the same way the ruling class does?

 

[OrByte]

LOL, nice strawman. I don't think I should have a secret service detail. If POTUS thinks he is so important, he can pay for his own security, just like the old days before the advent of the Total State. Presidents were assassinated in those days? And nothing of value was lost.

This is irrelevant in any case. Even if you believe the lives of the plebs are worthless compared to the ruling class, that does not justify the state forbidding people from defending themselves with their own resources in the same way that the ruling class is protected with taxpayer money.

Some people are more valuable. Politicians are definitely not among them.

wow.

 

[dmens]

wow.

Yes, blasphemy against the state. Deal with it.

 

[OrByte]

Yes, blasphemy against the state. Deal with it.

Actually I'm more shocked at your lack of critical thinking skills and narrow line of thinking.

This isn't about a President that you don't like...This is about how our Country functions.

If for whatever reason a President looses the ability to govern because of something that happened to his family...or a son/daughter is kidnapped and ransomed...we ALL are at risk of a compromised decision making structure because at that point, the President is no longer making decisions on behalf of the Country, he will be making decisions as a threatened father (or mother...Hillary '16! )

can you understand why the first family is high value/high risk?

 

[fskimospy]

Ah yes, citing tyranny of the majority always makes a convincing moral argument.

In any case, the relative values of lives doesn't change the fact that Obama is a hypocrite, because Sidwell Friends also has a dozen private armed guards. So how can you justify depriving the plebs of the right to defend themselves with their own money in the same way the ruling class does?

They have the same ability. School districts can hire guards, but more importantly this is a private institution. Any person who wishes to hire private guards is free to do so.

As for the ridiculous 'tyranny of the majority' argument, your annual payment towards the Secret Service if you are a working person is probably somewhere in the vicinity of $7 or $8. Tyranny of the majority doesn't mean that you can never make anyone do something they don't want to do, it stood for when majority rule pushed people so far that they were oppressed in the service to the majority. Sorry buddy, your $8 doesn't make it.

By all means though, continue your internet libertarian ranting. We've never heard it before. Let's all meet in Galt's Gulch after this, they throw the best parties there.

 

[dmens]

Actually I'm more shocked at your lack of critical thinking skills and narrow line of thinking.

This isn't about a President that you don't like...This is about how our Country functions.

If for whatever reason a President looses the ability to govern because of something that happened to his family...or a son/daughter is kidnapped and ransomed...we ALL are at risk of a compromised decision making structure because at that point, the President is no longer making decisions on behalf of the Country, he will be making decisions as a threatened father (or mother...Hillary '16! )

can you understand why the first family is high value/high risk?

If you believe this country is centrally run and cannot function without the ruling class apparatchiks in DC, then yes your logic is sound. But my question regarding the morality of depriving the plebs the legal ability to provide the same defense with their own money stands.

If you believe this country functions in spite of the meddling thieves and killers in DC, then your statement is crap.

 

[OrByte]

If you believe this country is centrally run and cannot function without the ruling class apparatchiks in DC, then yes your logic is sound. But my question regarding the morality of depriving the plebs the legal ability to provide the same defense with their own money stands.

If you believe this country functions in spite of the meddling thieves and killers in DC, then your statement is crap.

No one is depriving "the plebs" anything.

so...I don't know what else to tell you...

 

[dmens]

They have the same ability. School districts can hire guards, but more importantly this is a private institution. Any person who wishes to hire private guards is free to do so.

As for the ridiculous 'tyranny of the majority' argument, your annual payment towards the Secret Service if you are a working person is probably somewhere in the vicinity of $7 or $8. Tyranny of the majority doesn't mean that you can never make anyone do something they don't want to do, it stood for when majority rule pushed people so far that they were oppressed in the service to the majority. Sorry buddy, your $8 doesn't make it.

By all means though, continue your internet libertarian ranting. We've never heard it before. Let's all meet in Galt's Gulch after this, they throw the best parties there.

Obama publicly ridiculed the idea of armed guards in school. Therefore, he is a hypocrite. That's all there is to it.

Tyranny of the majority argument has nothing to do with $8. As you said, "Well the rest of us think otherwise". It is your belief that a voting majority can impose anything they wish on dissenters, including forcing their taxation for the creation of a billion dollar security mechanism to protect the sanctified bodies of the ruling class. Well guess what? Plenty of people disagree, therefore that taxation is theft imposed by majority rule.

inb4 that is the way things work, because that doesn't make it right.