NRA and the Russian connection

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Meghan54

Meghan54

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ivwshane said:
Gramps, you haven't been living in reality for years and all you've brought to this thread is your faux outrage. Your piss poor understanding of the 2nd is only out matched by your piss poor understanding of the 1st amendment.
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In all honesty, it's hard for Eastern Europeans to really understand our Constitution. Too much American English and all......doesn't translate well for some reason.
 
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1prophet

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Gryz said:
Really ?

You got US corporations paying hunderds of millions of dollars to bribe your own politicians. Buying the US presidency costs $1B. (Isn't that what Obama's marketing budget was ?) You politicians might not all be corrupt, but none of them are independent. They are all tainted. Republicans a few factors more than Democrats. But even then, US politics is fucked up. The idea that politicians represent the interest of the people has long gone. Your free press is also not very impressive. Half of your population elected an idiot into the White House. Do I need to continue ?

And then you start crying about a few Russians. And some tweets and a few paid advertisements on Facebook.

Grow a fucking pair.
You got big problems. With yourselves.
The Russians are hardly relevant. The Cold War is over. This is not the fifties anymore.


Americans are pussies.
They can not do any introspection. They can not do any reflections. It's always other people. It's always the bad guys. You are never to blame. Bwah, bwah, bwah.
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Don't waste your time, the Democrats used to be the gatekeepers keeping the Republicans in check but as soon as they brought the corporate Clintons in they started becoming no different than the Republicans and all that differentiates them today is a few social justice issues.

The real reason America has declined morally and ethically began about the time the "profits only mattered" lie started by University of Chicago economist Milton Friedman and perpetuated by almost all in business today according to the now famous Joseph Goebbels quote,

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth

and most liberal and conservative big business corporate types believe that lie while they differ on social issues and our bought and payed off politicians happily give them the laws and loopholes to perpetuate that fallacy while paying lip service to their voting constituents.

They have also infiltrated our higher learning institutions so they can promote that dogma in future directors, executives, and politicians.
http://time.com/108311/how-american-universities-are-ripping-off-your-education/

"This transformation is part of a larger cultural shift that can be traced back to the 1970s and ‘80s, when policymakers began to view higher education more as a private good (benefiting individual students) than as a public good (helping the nation prosper by creating better educated citizens).

Of course this idea of education benefiting certain individuals over the common man was thought long ago but it wasn't until the late 1960's to early 1970's that it was able to be pushed through so effectively.

“We want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity in every society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.”
Woodrow Wilson

And that worked well as long as that lower class had their unions, jobs, pensions and the "American Dream" but certain big business leaders looked at them as a cost to be eliminated not as the foundation and future of the country because it interfered with their profits and thus began the decline first through trickle down Reaganomics and then through the Clintons who pushed through the free trade agreements that created the new class of "deplorables" that cling to their guns and religion.

But it's much easier to blame a few Russians than the politicians and corporate puppet masters that have engineered this financial, cultural, moral/ethical, decline that has resulted in a political environment where someone like Trump can become President.

http://ritholtz.com/2015/05/corp-purpose-maximize-profit/
Is The Only Purpose of a Corporation to Maximize Profit?
Bruce Bartlett


Abstract: Historically, corporations were expected to serve some public purpose as justification for the benefits and privileges they receive from the state. But since the 1970s, the view has become widespread that corporations exist solely to maximize profits and for no other purpose. While the shareholder-first doctrine was supposed to solve the agency problem, in fact it has gotten worse as corporate executives enrich themselves at the expense of shareholders. Moreover, the obsession with current share prices as the only measure of corporate success may be destroying long-term value as companies cut back on investment to raise short-term profits. Tax policies designed to raise after-tax profits have done nothing to reverse these trends.

To conservatives, the corporation is often treated as the pinnacle of capitalist development. This justifies their deferential treatment of corporations in terms of taxation and government regulation, which, they claim threaten to kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

In reality, the corporation wouldn’t exist in a pure free market. It is and always has been a creature of the state. For many years, corporate status was only granted to businesses deemed to be in the public interest, such as companies that built turnpikes and canals. But as time has gone by, the idea that corporations exist at the pleasure of the state and in the public interest has been forgotten.

Today, it is widely believed that corporations exist for the sole purpose of making a profit. Corporate executives who believe corporations have a social responsibility are considered old fashioned. But the costs of this new view of the corporation have been very high in terms of lost jobs and investment, and minuscule wage growth for more than a generation. Shareholders, the owners of the corporation, haven’t even benefitted that much from the laser-like focus on profit above all else because much of it has been siphoned off by corporate executives, who have enriched themselves at the expense of shareholders, and financial institutions that have encouraged companies to become highly leveraged.
 
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shortylickens

shortylickens

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ivwshane said:
That's a whole lot of bullshit to write just to say, "both sides".
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Yeah but if you just say "both sides" you arent really saying anything. Its too easy to write a situation off as if you already know everything going on.
Better to be informed than run off at the mouth.
Thats why I despise Trump.
 
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Greenman

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Isn't it interesting how every conservative group has ties to Russia, and therefore needs to be condemned and silenced by the champions of fairness and equality.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

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Greenman said:
Isn't it interesting how every conservative group has ties to Russia, and therefore needs to be condemned and silenced by the champions of fairness and equality.
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Actually I think the problem is they are TOO silent and not answering any fucking questions. Not even when the god damn feds ask em.
 
Gryz

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ivwshane said:
That's a whole lot of bullshit to write just to say, "both sides".
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He is not saying both sides.
He is maybe saying: "Corporations fucked up the Republican Party long time ago. They are now working on the Democrats".

Personally I think Bill Clinton was the best US President since WWII. I have very little to complain about him. Obama was a bit disappointing, from my European perspective. But he had congress working against his every move. So I don't blame him for not achieving much. That's all to blame on the destructiveness of the Republicans. The only thing I am really not happy about, regarding Obama's policies, was his foreign policy. He started the re-introduction of the Cold War (in the Ukraine) for no reason at all. And he severely fucked up during the Arab Spring. Syria (and Libya) are unbelievable cluster-fucks, mostly to blame on the US, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and also the EU.

But that's not the same as "both sides sucks". What are we supposed to do ? Praise everything the Democrats do, because the Republicans are 10x worse ?

The US is ruled by one political party. Like China. And Russia 30 years ago. Your one party has 2 factions, that's true. But the factions are similar in more ways than you might dare to admit. I wish the Democrats would realize that. If Sanders had won, the story might have been different.
 
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shortylickens

shortylickens

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Gryz said:
He is not saying both sides.
He is maybe saying: "Corporations fucked up the Republican Party long time ago. They are now working on the Democrats".

Personally I think Bill Clinton was the best US President since WWII. I have very little to complain about him. Obama was a bit disappointing, from my European perspective. But he had congress working against his every move. So I don't blame him for not achieving much. That's all to blame on the destructiveness of the Republicans. The only thing I am really not happy about, regarding Obama's policies, was his foreign policy. He started the re-introduction of the Cold War (in the Ukraine) for no reason at all. And he severely fucked up during the Arab Spring. Syria (and Libya) are unbelievable cluster-fucks, mostly to blame on the US, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, and also the EU.

But that's not the same as "both sides sucks". What are we supposed to do ? Praise everything the Democrats do, because the Republicans are 10x worse ?

The US is ruled by one political party. Like China. And Russia 30 years ago. Your one party has 2 factions, that's true. But the factions are similar in more ways than you might dare to admit. I wish the Democrats would realize that. If Sanders had won, the story might have been different.
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Yeah but he was never gonna win cuz he was an independant. He had to run with the Democrats just to get time on the debate circle and when he got ahead they shot him down.
Then they said they dont have to go with the lead candidate cuz they are a private organization and can do whatever they want.
Fuckin asshole cock gobblers.
 
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Jhhnn

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Greenman said:
Isn't it interesting how every conservative group has ties to Russia, and therefore needs to be condemned and silenced by the champions of fairness and equality.
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Gawd. The point is that the Russians have reasons for their actions, particularly since sanctions were imposed against their aggression in Ukraine. They'd like to diminish our resolve in that matter & in others, as well. As any student of history knows a society wracked by internal strife will turn inward to deal with it so they'll promote such strife any way they can. Whatever influence they seek in this country is not intended to benefit us at all.
 
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Jhhnn

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shortylickens said:
Yeah but he was never gonna win cuz he was an independant. He had to run with the Democrats just to get time on the debate circle and when he got ahead they shot him down.
Then they said they dont have to go with the lead candidate cuz they are a private organization and can do whatever they want.
Fuckin asshole cock gobblers.
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That was Russian propagandists' favorite & most effective pitch during the election. You've been concern trolled, hard.
 
Indus

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Funny thing is there was a an organization named Responsible Deer Hunting Gun Owners.. I'd be all for them, but the line between sanity and insanity has been crossed a long time ago.

We're just living in the post insanity dysotopian world.

Someday soon there will be a revolution and all the NRA and their spokesmen/ women will have hell to pay.
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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ivwshane said:
Gramps, you haven't been living in reality for years and all you've brought to this thread is your faux outrage. Your piss poor understanding of the 2nd is only out matched by your piss poor understanding of the 1st amendment.
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1st-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2nd-A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read them and weep, they're not hard to comprehend.
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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Indus said:
Funny thing is there was a an organization named Responsible Deer Hunting Gun Owners.. I'd be all for them, but the line between sanity and insanity has been crossed a long time ago.

We're just living in the post insanity dysotopian world.

Someday soon there will be a revolution and all the NRA and their spokesmen/ women will have hell to pay.
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Good luck with that little fantasy.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

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Jhhnn said:
That was Russian propagandists' favorite & most effective pitch during the election. You've been concern trolled, hard.
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Debbie Wasserman Shultz admitted to what she did.
or is she a russian propagandist too?
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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Anti-pipeline and the Russian connection.
Anti-fracking and the Russian connection.
Climate change activism and the Russian connection.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-using-social-media-to-roil-u-s-energy-policy


“This report reveals that Russian agents created and spread propaganda on U.S. social media platforms in an obvious attempt to influence the U.S. energy market,” Texas Representative Lamar Smith, the chairman of the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee, said in a statement. “Russian agents attempted to manipulate Americans’ opinions about pipelines, fossil fuels, fracking and climate change.”



Separately, a study released by Iowa State University said English-language Russian media coverage of agricultural issues "fits the profile" of an effort to amplify controversy regarding genetically modified food.



Russia is one of the world’s biggest producers of wheat, oil and natural gas."
 
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Jhhnn

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imported_tajmahal said:
He's an asshole, even when he knows you're being accurate he'll pull the "links R it's knot true" bullshit.
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It's unsurprising that you didn't offer any evidence in support other than your opinion. Such is the nature of truthiness.
 
ivwshane

ivwshane

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imported_tajmahal said:
1st-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2nd-A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Read them and weep, they're not hard to comprehend.
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Lol! Congrats on a copy and pasting amendments you still don't understand. I'm not sure how you think your post addressed that point.
 
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