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NPR obtains exclusive tapes of Katrina emergency planning

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Morning Edition, September 23, 2005 · In the days before Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, officials in local, state and federal governments held a series of telephone conference calls aimed at coordinating their responses to the storm. The sessions were recorded by Walter Maestri, emergency manager for Jefferson Parish, who shared them with NPR.

In tapes of the disaster planning meetings, emergency managers and civic officials evinced a growing concern with the strengthening hurricane's possible effects -- and after the storm made landfall, a growing frustration with the aid effort mounted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

As emergency preparations gave way to coordinated actions and pleas for equipment, the recorded calls depict an emergency command center in Baton Rouge that became a center of frenzied activity.

Conference calls are between the whole cast of local and federal emergency planners, from Blanco to Nagin to FEMA and Coast Guard. Recordings are plans being formulated and put into place before the storm to later calls to FEMA desperately trying to find promised supplies and relief materials after hurricane strikes and city left in chaos.
 
Interesting. For want of a few backup generators (that were in Iraq), communications went down and that seems to have been costly.

And that guy saying "we just need to do what we can do to improve the situation" sounded like some typical government, know-nothing political hack.

And look at this:

Offer of buses fell between the cracks
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca...y?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
WASHINGTON -- Two days after Hurricane Katrina made landfall, as images of devastation along the Gulf Coast and despair in New Orleans flickered across television screens, the head of one of the nation's largest bus associations repeatedly called federal disaster officials to offer help.

Peter Pantuso of the American Bus Association said he spent much of the day on Wednesday, Aug. 31, trying to find someone at the Federal Emergency Management Agency who could tell him how many buses were needed for an evacuation, where they should be sent and who was overseeing the effort.

"We never talked directly to FEMA or got a call back from them," Pantuso said.

Pantuso, whose members include some of the nation's largest motor coach companies, including Greyhound and Coach USA, eventually learned that the job of extracting tens of thousands of residents from flooded New Orleans wasn't being handled by FEMA at all.

Instead the agency had farmed the work out to a trucking logistics firm, Landstar Express America, which in turn hired a limousine company, which in turn engaged a travel management company.


Over the next four days, those companies and a collection of Louisiana officials cobbled together a fleet of at least 1,100 buses that belatedly descended on New Orleans to evacuate residents waiting amid the squalor and mayhem of the Superdome and the city's convention center.

[...]

Mayor C. Ray Nagin has acknowledged in television interviews that the city had hundreds of transit and school buses available to at least begin an evacuation ahead of Katrina's arrival but couldn't find enough drivers willing to chance getting caught in the huge storm.

When Katrina's storm surges breached the city's levees, putting much of the city under water, it was up to state officials and FEMA to oversee a gigantic evacuation.

But they, too, were caught unprepared.

Though it was well-known that New Orleans, much of it below sea level, would flood in a major hurricane, Landstar, the Jacksonville company that held a federal contract that at the time was worth up to $100 million annually for disaster transportation, did not ask its subcontractor, Carey Limousine, to order buses until the early hours of Aug. 30, roughly 18 hours after the storm hit, according to Sally Snead, a Carey senior vice president who headed the bus roundup.

Landstar inquired about the availability of buses on Sunday, Aug. 28, and earlier Monday, but placed no orders, Snead said.

She said Landstar turned to her company for buses Sunday after learning from Carey's Internet site that it had a meetings and events division that touted its ability to move large groups of people. "They really found us on the Web site," Snead said.

A Landstar spokeswoman declined comment on how the company responded to the hurricane.

Messages left for a FEMA spokeswoman were not returned.
Layer after layer after layer...


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I listened to the story where they played some of the tapes this morning. There was no failure in planning. When it came down to implementing the plans, it was pretty clear that FEMA fell short.
 
Originally posted by: MonkeyK
I listened to the story where they played some of the tapes this morning. There was no failure in planning. When it came down to implementing the plans, it was pretty clear that FEMA fell short.
Well, luckily for them, the flooding in N. O. isn't of such dire circumstances this time and Rita weakened to a Cat 3 before landfall earlier this morning.
 
As opposed to the way FEMA worked under Witt:

The FEMA Phoenix
reform of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0509.franklin.html


And how he helped get things moving in La.

Witt makes presence known in La.
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/090705/witt.html


Because of what this administration has done to FEMA

Ex-officials say weakened FEMA botched response
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u...fficialssayweakenedfemabotchedresponse
 
Originally posted by: MadRat
So it appears that the mayor and governor weren't asleep at the wheel after all.

Probably not as much as has been brayed about! They made many mistakes, not unusual, but not as many as some are saying.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Interesting. For want of a few backup generators (that were in Iraq), communications went down and that seems to have been costly.


Proof that fema's generators where in iraq....
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
Interesting. For want of a few backup generators (that were in Iraq), communications went down and that seems to have been costly.


Proof that fema's generators where in iraq....

i assume you are asking for the proof.
i would be interested in seeing that as well.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
Interesting. For want of a few backup generators (that were in Iraq), communications went down and that seems to have been costly.
Proof that fema's generators where in iraq....
Go search the Katrina threads. We've been over the before and you know it.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
Interesting. For want of a few backup generators (that were in Iraq), communications went down and that seems to have been costly.
Proof that fema's generators where in iraq....
Go search the Katrina threads. We've been over the before and you know it.



No this is new. You are now claiming that Fema's generators were shipped to iraq. This is a new claim. Even your old claim of all the national guard equipment being shipped to iraq was completely false.

Yes we have been over this before and you were caught trying to spread lies before.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Say WHAT?

Dude, put down the crackpipe, seriously.

Where did I say anything about fema generators?



Interesting. For want of a few backup generators (that were in Iraq),

Then you listen to first audio link where they want to know when the prepositiond fema generators are going to be delivered.
 
I was referring to the generators that were in Iraq with the National Guard as we discussed a few weeks ago re: Katrina. It's not like FEMA was going to get add'l generators into N.O. before the storm hit.

Why the hell would I say FEMA pre-positioned generators were in Iraq?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
I was referring to the generators that were in Iraq with the National Guard as we discussed a few weeks ago re: Katrina. It's not like FEMA was going to get add'l generators into N.O. before the storm hit.

Why the hell would I say FEMA pre-positioned generators were in Iraq?



And you still have yet to prove that there was a signifiicant lack of equipment because some guard equipment is in iraq. But you definatly tried to imply that fema generators were in Iraq.

You are welcome to edit and clarify your post, but I doubt you are going to do that.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
I was referring to the generators that were in Iraq with the National Guard as we discussed a few weeks ago re: Katrina. It's not like FEMA was going to get add'l generators into N.O. before the storm hit.

Why the hell would I say FEMA pre-positioned generators were in Iraq?
And you still have yet to prove that there was a signifiicant lack of equipment because some guard equipment is in iraq. But you definatly tried to imply that fema generators were in Iraq.

You are welcome to edit and clarify your post, but I doubt you are going to do that.
bumped this just for you.

And, NO, I did NOT imply that FEMA generators were in Iraq. Again, I ask you, why would I do that? That's insane. Enough with the bs.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: conjur
I was referring to the generators that were in Iraq with the National Guard as we discussed a few weeks ago re: Katrina. It's not like FEMA was going to get add'l generators into N.O. before the storm hit.

Why the hell would I say FEMA pre-positioned generators were in Iraq?
And you still have yet to prove that there was a signifiicant lack of equipment because some guard equipment is in iraq. But you definatly tried to imply that fema generators were in Iraq.

You are welcome to edit and clarify your post, but I doubt you are going to do that.
bumped this just for you.

And, NO, I did NOT imply that FEMA generators were in Iraq. Again, I ask you, why would I do that? That's insane. Enough with the bs.



You tell me why put mentioned generators where in iraq when the article was talking about femas generators. Maybe you can answer that. But I know you cant and wont.
 
I've told at least three times now and even bumped the thread that reminded me of the generators.

I can't help it that you're an ignorant fool.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
I've told at least three times now and even bumped the thread that reminded me of the generators.

I can't help it that you're an ignorant fool.



yes but you stll saying the needed generators where in iraq, which appears to not be the case.

ANd you saying the same thing in another thread, does not make it true either.
 
It only appears to not be the case because you didn't listen to the NPR link I gave you in the other thread.

Or, if you did, you had your fingers in your ears.



You're just bound and determined to play the Blame Game and pin that blame on the locals/state despite all evidence to the contrary.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
It only appears to not be the case because you didn't listen to the NPR link I gave you in the other thread.

Or, if you did, you had your fingers in your ears.



You're just bound and determined to play the Blame Game and pin that blame on the locals/state despite all evidence to the contrary.



At this point I am not laying blame on anyone. I listened to the clip and even before I listened to the clip I was aware some guard equipment is in Iraq. I dont beleive that 100% or even a majority of the needed guard equipment was in iraq when only 30% of their manpower is there. If you want to make the reasonable claim that 30% of their equipment was in Iraq, I can live with that. But even that claim does not mean there are 30% more generators available as 30% more manpower would require more generators to support guard operations.

But all of this still does not change the fact the OP was about fema generators and not guard equipment.
 
The OP wasn't just about FEMA generators. There was mention of the communications going down. It reminded me of the statement in the OTHER thread which I bumped, hence my comment in my first post in this thread.

Regardless of the communications going down, it appears the state/local gov'ts were assured that FEMA would move in once the storm passed.


Didn't happen.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
The OP wasn't just about FEMA generators. There was mention of the communications going down. It reminded me of the statement in the OTHER thread which I bumped, hence my comment in my first post in this thread.

Regardless of the communications going down, it appears the state/local gov'ts were assured that FEMA would move in once the storm passed.


Didn't happen.



You right, fema appeared to have dropped the ball here, but they were looking for fema generators, not guard generators. So you can make a nice edit and clear things up....
 
Originally posted by: conjur
No. You seem to be the only insane partisan here making a claim like that. My post stands as an outright lie.

Fixed.

They were asking for generators from fema, not the guard.

 
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