NPR Fires Liberal News Analyst For Non-PC Nervousness

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marincounty

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Never listen to NPR. I wish it was Fox that fired Juan Williams. He was the token fake liberal they used to pretend they are fair and balanced. Juan Williams was just like the other "liberal" that Fox used to trot out, Alan Colmes. They never really could articulate the liberal position on anything, and anyway, we need to go to commercial.
If Fox really wanted to be fair and balanced, they would hire an actual liberal-like a James Carville or a Mario Cuomo. Instead they hire intellectual lightweights that can't defend anything.
 

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Juan Williams may be a liberal but he is one of the most thoughtful commentators out there and a major national voice against all forms of bigotry.

It is a damn shame and the shame extends to NPR and CAIR, partners in suppressing legitimate expression of real concerns.
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Juan Williams is an embarrassment, particularly on Fox News Sunday, b/c
1. his statements are so weak
2. he wants to please his conservative hosts (who stifle laughing at him)

They are using him b/c he's "liberal", not too swift, and black. He's perfect for the freaks on the Far Right to hold up for everyone can see. It's as if Fox is saying: "Look at him: he makes our case for us"!.
 

Craig234

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NPR=communist mouthpiece

oh how fashionably intellectual, karl mark, even though in the labrotory of Cuba, Viet Nam, Russia, China, etc etc it was P R O V E D to not work

Moyers did a GREAT job with those interviews ofr Joseph Campbell circa 1980s, then went to hell as a friggin communist

Since Moyers HATES the USA so vociferously badly, right there along with Hillary Clinton and the much more powerful, but equally seditious intellectn Noam Chomsky, then let him LEAVE to go live someplace else like maybe Venezuela or Serbia or Burma.

How dare treASONOUS PEOPLE ACCEPT THE FREE GOODHEARTED HOSPITALITY OF THIS NATION, ALL THE WHILE WORKING HARD to tear it down ans destroy it (like B. Obama is also doing).

I think science hasn't yet realized some people today aren't actually evolved humans.
 

Craig234

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Craig234, continuing to demonstrate he can't read, or understand, the rules he keeps posting.

Really, this statement by the NPR Omnibudman is all that need be noted:



Yet Craig234 continues to argue the opposite. So, in an effort to defend NPR, Craig234 is willing to argue that they don't know their rules as well as he does.

Fern

Fern, you are full of crap and wasting my time and the forum's with the garbage.

Here are things the Ombudsman said you did not list and ignored:

The issue also is whether someone on NPR's payroll should be allowed to say something in one venue that NPR would not allow on its air. NPR’s ethics code says they cannot.

Get it? This is the Ombudsman you claim said the rules don't apply to Williams saying the rules apply to Williams.

The Ombudsman said the abruptness of terminating him was a 'PR' problem, but supported the action.

Even though NPR handled this situation badly, the fact remains that NPR must uphold its journalistic standards, which, after all, provide the basis that earned public radio's reputation for quality.

Not exactly on your side.

Here is the fuller context of your own quote:

"Juan Williams is a contributor to NPR programs as a news analyst," said Ron Elving, NPR's Washington editor. "What he says on NPR is the product of a journalistic process that includes editors. What he says when he is not on our air is not within our control. But we recognize that what he says elsewhere reflects on NPR, and we have discussed that fact with him specifically in regard to his remarks on Fox News regarding Michelle Obama."

They cannot control what he says on Fox, but they can tell him that what he says on Fox can be a problem - for his continuing to be welcome at NPR.

So your last line is garbage - not only does the Ombudsman support terminating him, contradicting your claim and ridiculous comment about who understands their rules, but the real issue isn't the Ombudsman but the NPR management, who you claim does not understand their own rules - but you do.
 

Moonbeam

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Fern, you are full of crap and wasting my time and the forum's with the garbage.

Here are things the Ombudsman said you did not list and ignored:



Get it? This is the Ombudsman you claim said the rules don't apply to Williams saying the rules apply to Williams.

The Ombudsman said the abruptness of terminating him was a 'PR' problem, but supported the action.



Not exactly on your side.

Here is the fuller context of your own quote:



They cannot control what he says on Fox, but they can tell him that what he says on Fox can be a problem - for his continuing to be welcome at NPR.

So your last line is garbage - not only does the Ombudsman support terminating him, contradicting your claim and ridiculous comment about who understands their rules, but the real issue isn't the Ombudsman but the NPR management, who you claim does not understand their own rules - but you do.

These rules exist for the sake of NPR's reputation as a journalistic entity that attempts to report news without personal bias.

When you clumsily fire somebody for violations real or imagined expressing honest and objective facts in a personal way on a right winged news agency you are going to create a media fiasco, which is what happened. In trying to protect the journalistic integrity of NPR Shiller or whoever she was damaged it far far more than Williams did. It is now her turn to be fired if she will not resign. She also implied that Williams should have told his psychiatrist. That right there is worse than anything Williams did. You don't fire people as you commit the same sin. She needs to go to clear the air. She fucked support for NPR. Not exec material.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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These rules exist for the sake of NPR's reputation as a journalistic entity that attempts to report news without personal bias.

When you clumsily fire somebody for violations real or imagined expressing honest and objective facts in a personal way on a right winged news agency you are going to create a media fiasco, which is what happened. In trying to protect the journalistic integrity of NPR Shiller or whoever she was damaged it far far more than Williams did. It is now her turn to be fired if she will not resign. She also implied that Williams should have told his psychiatrist. That right there is worse than anything Williams did. You don't fire people as you commit the same sin. She needs to go to clear the air. She fucked support for NPR. Not exec material.

It seems that she had an axe to grind and went out of her way to prove it.

I'd ask you to consider one more thing M and that is this- If one watches the clip in it's entirety it is difficult to fault Williams for what he says. He finds he has a reaction of concern when he sees someone in traditional garb but goes on to say that these same people need to be treated with respect. It isn't the emotional reaction of fear which matters, but that one rises above it and uses reason and treats them as humans based on who they are as people not clothes. Williams wouldn't accept O'Reillys nonsense. So what did Williams really do? I thought about this a bit an it occurred to me that I've read about this sort of thing before-

While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?”
On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
I am not equating Williams with Jesus, but I am making a comparison with the situation. Fox does attract people who have a particular mindset and those who find reasons to hate Muslims may find O'Reilly to be one who reinforces their views. With that as a context, lets look again at what happens. Along comes Williams and instead of pontificating he expresses an emotion many of these views feel, fear, and he uses it to connect with the viewers. Does he leave it there? No, he then goes on to say that despite his emotional reaction Muslims aren't after you as a whole. They deserve the same justice that others in America have. After all only a fool has no fear. What makes us different from the animals is that we can rise above it and become its master. It is part of what makes us Human.

For some viewers this is the only exposure they have that runs counter to their thinking. Most of them won't change their minds, but while Williams can't make them repent he can still preach the Gospel. Redemption remains a possibility.

For the part of the Pharisees just look around. We have many here eager to cast the first stone and those who value "the law" include the Sanhedrin at NPR. Williams dined with sinners. For this he was crucified.

As for me I get to play one of my favorite characters in all this- Pilate- and bring his situation forward again to say to you that I find no fault in him, at least on this occasion.
 

Moonbeam

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It seems that she had an axe to grind and went out of her way to prove it.

I'd ask you to consider one more thing M and that is this- If one watches the clip in it's entirety it is difficult to fault Williams for what he says. He finds he has a reaction of concern when he sees someone in traditional garb but goes on to say that these same people need to be treated with respect. It isn't the emotional reaction of fear which matters, but that one rises above it and uses reason and treats them as humans based on who they are as people not clothes. Williams wouldn't accept O'Reillys nonsense. So what did Williams really do? I thought about this a bit an it occurred to me that I've read about this sort of thing before-

I am not equating Williams with Jesus, but I am making a comparison with the situation. Fox does attract people who have a particular mindset and those who find reasons to hate Muslims may find O'Reilly to be one who reinforces their views. With that as a context, lets look again at what happens. Along comes Williams and instead of pontificating he expresses an emotion many of these views feel, fear, and he uses it to connect with the viewers. Does he leave it there? No, he then goes on to say that despite his emotional reaction Muslims aren't after you as a whole. They deserve the same justice that others in America have. After all only a fool has no fear. What makes us different from the animals is that we can rise above it and become its master. It is part of what makes us Human.

For some viewers this is the only exposure they have that runs counter to their thinking. Most of them won't change their minds, but while Williams can't make them repent he can still preach the Gospel. Redemption remains a possibility.

For the part of the Pharisees just look around. We have many here eager to cast the first stone and those who value "the law" include the Sanhedrin at NPR. Williams dined with sinners. For this he was crucified.

As for me I get to play one of my favorite characters in all this- Pilate- and bring his situation forward again to say to you that I find no fault in him, at least on this occasion.

Hehe, nice. I very much agree with what you say personally. What I wrote I tried to frame in a form that left Williams out, that regardless of the technical truth of his contract, some real violation or not, the effect of how he was fired, for what, and also what was said, makes NPR look rotten and journalistically nonobjective, far far more than what they were trying to pin on Williams. If you punish somebody for what you call a sin and commit it ten fold in the doing, it's your turn to be punished for you have declared to one and all that your faith is in retribution. Do not expect tolerance if you yourself are not. Live by the rules you enforce on others.

Anyway, nice post, on so many levels. Very interesting to me.
 

PJABBER

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It seems that she had an axe to grind and went out of her way to prove it.

I'd ask you to consider one more thing M and that is this- If one watches the clip in it's entirety it is difficult to fault Williams for what he says. He finds he has a reaction of concern when he sees someone in traditional garb but goes on to say that these same people need to be treated with respect. It isn't the emotional reaction of fear which matters, but that one rises above it and uses reason and treats them as humans based on who they are as people not clothes. Williams wouldn't accept O'Reillys nonsense. So what did Williams really do? I thought about this a bit an it occurred to me that I've read about this sort of thing before-

I am not equating Williams with Jesus, but I am making a comparison with the situation. Fox does attract people who have a particular mindset and those who find reasons to hate Muslims may find O'Reilly to be one who reinforces their views. With that as a context, lets look again at what happens. Along comes Williams and instead of pontificating he expresses an emotion many of these views feel, fear, and he uses it to connect with the viewers. Does he leave it there? No, he then goes on to say that despite his emotional reaction Muslims aren't after you as a whole. They deserve the same justice that others in America have. After all only a fool has no fear. What makes us different from the animals is that we can rise above it and become its master. It is part of what makes us Human.

For some viewers this is the only exposure they have that runs counter to their thinking. Most of them won't change their minds, but while Williams can't make them repent he can still preach the Gospel. Redemption remains a possibility.

For the part of the Pharisees just look around. We have many here eager to cast the first stone and those who value "the law" include the Sanhedrin at NPR. Williams dined with sinners. For this he was crucified.

As for me I get to play one of my favorite characters in all this- Pilate- and bring his situation forward again to say to you that I find no fault in him, at least on this occasion.

Very well put.

And Williams rose again in three days, at Fox. ():)
 

Red Dawn

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Very well put.

And Williams rose again in three days, at Fox. ():)
Jesus rose, Williams descended into the fierly depths of sensationalistic journalism, unfortunately by unfairly getting sacked by NPR. While still credible who he works for isn't.
 

PJABBER

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Jesus rose, Williams descended into the fierly depths of sensationalistic journalism, unfortunately by unfairly getting sacked by NPR. While still credible who he works for isn't.

I thought you didn't watch Fox? How would you know?
 

werepossum

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Just a quick update - here's what the vaunted Nina Totenberg said.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...hese-elections-thomas-thinks-theyre-jokepolit

NINA TOTENBERG, NPR: I am already afraid, very afraid. I mean, it’s not like governance has been going great. I think we’ll, I don't know whether I should be afraid, but there will be gridlock.

Evidently at NPR it's okay to be "very afraid" of Republicans, yet not okay to be "a little nervous" about Muslims in traditional (i.e. not Western) Muslim garb. Remember too that whereas Williams was merely a contributor, Totenberg is a staffer and hosts shows.

Let the rationalizations begin.
 

trenchfoot

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Just a quick update - here's what the vaunted Nina Totenberg said.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...hese-elections-thomas-thinks-theyre-jokepolit



Evidently at NPR it's okay to be "very afraid" of Republicans, yet not okay to be "a little nervous" about Muslims in traditional (i.e. not Western) Muslim garb. Remember too that whereas Williams was merely a contributor, Totenberg is a staffer and hosts shows.

Let the rationalizations begin.

You mean, starting with the one you just made? ;)
 

Fern

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Fern, you are full of crap and wasting my time and the forum's with the garbage.

Here are things the Ombudsman said you did not list and ignored:

The issue also is whether someone on NPR's payroll should be allowed to say something in one venue that NPR would not allow on its air. NPR’s ethics code says they cannot.



Get it? This is the Ombudsman you claim said the rules don't apply to Williams saying the rules apply to Williams.

-snip-

Welp, there you go again.

Either you don't understand your own post on the NPR rules, or you're disengeniously ignoring Juan's change from NPR employee/journalist to independant contractor.

The rule/remark you quoted above comes from NPR's rules on employees.

Juan changed to independant contractor last year, so those rules no longer apply to him.

Your post includes BOTH rules for employees and those for independant contractors, and a history of Juan's problems spanning both classificiations. In quoting the rules one must recognize the difference; this is where you fail.

Fern
 

yllus

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Hell, I briefly get nervous when a Middle Eastern looking person gets on a plane with me, and I'm half-Iranian and half-Saudi myself. You just can't be sure about guys who look like, well, me. My own method for putting my fellow travelers at ease is to immediately order a glass of wine right after I take a seat. People recognize me as a fellow infidel and we all relax. :D

They shouldn't have fired the guy, but the news organization that has principles and stands by them seems to be an extinct species. Nice to see people taking them to task for this.
 

werepossum

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Hell, I briefly get nervous when a Middle Eastern looking person gets on a plane with me, and I'm half-Iranian and half-Saudi myself. You just can't be sure about guys who look like, well, me. My own method for putting my fellow travelers at ease is to immediately order a glass of wine right after I take a seat. People recognize me as a fellow infidel and we all relax. :D

They shouldn't have fired the guy, but the news organization that has principles and stands by them seems to be an extinct species. Nice to see people taking them to task for this.
:D That sounds suspiciously like "I would never be a member of any club that would have me as a member."

I suspect the next Islamic hijackers will be either black or possibly Caucasian - which may explain why I ALWAYS get singled out for "extra attention" when I fly.
 

Red Dawn

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I thought you didn't watch Fox? How would you know?

I don't watch if I can help it. However I spent a month visiting my parents this summer who are part of the core of their audience ( The Rascal Scooter brigade) and they have that bullshit on all day and night.
 

Fear No Evil

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I don't watch if I can help it. However I spent a month visiting my parents this summer who are part of the core of their audience ( The Rascal Scooter brigade) and they have that bullshit on all day and night.

You should respect your elders.
 

Lanyap

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I don't watch if I can help it. However I spent a month visiting my parents this summer who are part of the core of their audience ( The Rascal Scooter brigade) and they have that bullshit on all day and night.


I guess they didn't raise you right. :p
 

Red Dawn

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You should respect your elders.
I do, wouldn't have spent a month with them if I didn't. I feel for them, they are very elderly and not very mobile (thus the Rascal Scooters) but it seems to me that sitting around watching a bunch of red assed talking heads rage about bullshit isn't what I consider mentally healthy. Hell look what it's done to Spidey.
 

Moonbeam

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You let Obama and Pelosi think for you. :wub:

You poor sad fool. You shoved Obama and Pelosi so far up your ass you'll never get them out. They completely control you. You are an Obama Pelosi obsession. That always happens to small minds full of hate.