NPR: Bailout clash

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Michael

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I have provided proof as to who I am often enough. You can find me via SEC filings, and I am a CFO now and am on a public company's board (again, you can find it via SEC filings and I am on the audit and comp committee). So if your deductive reasoning is so great and you reached the conclusion that I am not a CFO, then maybe you should question yourself a little more often.

Without being all too public on an internet forum, any mod that looks at my email address and looks up my name plus CFO on Google will find me.

You say you have "done" securatizations. What exactly does that mean and what type? I've already posted before that if you work in a group that does credit card or mortgage assemblies, then the numbers are huge but they're all pretty much cookie cutter and are being sold into a ready market. That is much different than doing a bond or equity deal for an individual company. A public manufacturing company with over $1B in revenue is actually reasonably large. Certainly not a GE, but nothing to simply dismiss.

As for "punishing" the shareholders, punishing and rewarding is part of the normal market. Make the wrong choices and you lose what you risked (or fail to gain as much as you could have). If you're talking about the shareholders that indirectly hold the shares via a fund, then they also can choose what fund they invest in or their company can choose pension fund advisors. Part of that choice is the expectation that shares will be properly voted and Boards will be properly vetted.

Potentially losing money is a risk that any investor takes. The news has been dire for a little while and there has been plenty of opportunity to get out before the complete meltdowns (even if it was at a loss).

You also have not addressed the flaws in the proposed bill. So it is OK for Paulson to basically be able to buy what he wants at what price he wants to? It is enough? It will fix the issues going forward? Is it you sticking a finger in a hole in a *** when the whole dam is failing? All you've done is try and throw out hobgoblins of fear of what might happen. I think that the current bailout would not work and extend any pain and leave the same people that caused the problem in charge to cause even more problems.

Michael

 

Pliablemoose

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I've continued to email my congressional reps, and the feedback I'm getting is that they're still not going to vote for a bailout.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller

And what does an economist know of the capital markets? They aren't finance majors, nor do they work here.

i have several friends who are economists and not finance majors and work there. don't be so narrow.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

And what does an economist know of the capital markets? They aren't finance majors, nor do they work here.

i have several friends who are economists and not finance majors and work there. don't be so narrow.

If the bill doesn't pass, I have dibbs on Legend Killer's posts containing only 4 letter words by Friday the 3rd at 10:17 am.
 

MonkeyK

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Ken Kam on MSN Strategy Labs has proposed that the banks run their own bailout

This would be done by letting customers buy their mortgages back from the bank at the book value which the bank has put on it.

Sounds good to me. Does anyone with a better finance/econ background (mine is nill) have any thoughts on this plan?
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

And what does an economist know of the capital markets? They aren't finance majors, nor do they work here.

i have several friends who are economists and not finance majors and work there. don't be so narrow.

lol, read above. It was a mocking post.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

And what does an economist know of the capital markets? They aren't finance majors, nor do they work here.

i have several friends who are economists and not finance majors and work there. don't be so narrow.

If the bill doesn't pass, I have dibbs on Legend Killer's posts containing only 4 letter words by Friday the 3rd at 10:17 am.

lol. Perhaps.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Michael
legendkiller

You excel at putting words into peoples' mouths and then showing what you claimed they said is wrong.

1st - my background and education is accounting, but I have been a CFO for a while now, including a CFO of a public comany and I'm on the board of another public company (both decent sized 1B plus in revenue manufacturing companies). I have been accessing the public markets for years and have had inventment banks calling on me for a long time. Just so you know, i have consistently rejected the exotic instruments that they have presented to me, all my deals were as plain vanilla as they could be as I do understand what loading derivitives into a deal does. Some I have more than a layman's knowedge of how Wall Street works, but I certainly have not worked on a desk in my career.

Even by your paragraph above I doubt you're a CFO. I'll leave it to you to guess why.

Ohh gawd, you've worked at a company with $1BN in annual revenues. That isn't even half of the largest securitization deal I have run. Your numbers matter little.

Great, you rejected the irrational size to WS, you're to be commended.
2nd - What the fuck is the point you're trying to make about the way BoDs are supposed to do? So what if institutions control 70%+ of the stock? Of course I know that, that was the case for me as well. It actually is worse that professional money managers with analysts following the companies and with direct access to management still let this happen. And, yes, I know many of those institutions rely on a few consulting companies to tell them how to vote. Again, that is even worse. So what point are you trying to make there, oh great one?

So, you're more than willing to punish "stockholders" who have no control over the investment, can't elect the BoD directly, and have no active control in the company at all? Brilliant!

Like I said, it is one thing when you try and throw your credentials and experience around against people that have zero or next to zero. However, you're not the only person that posts here with experience and you're is not any better than people whose experience you dismiss.

You are very narrow-minded in your arguements, use too much hyperbole, and are obviously (as anyone would) trying to protect your interests.

Michael


Your "experience" is questionable. Your conclusion (punish the stockholders!) is not only stupid, but ill-thought and marginally rationalized. I may use hyperbole, but I'd rather use that than utter stupidity.

Give it up, you lose.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

And what does an economist know of the capital markets? They aren't finance majors, nor do they work here.

i have several friends who are economists and not finance majors and work there. don't be so narrow.

If the bill doesn't pass, I have dibbs on Legend Killer's posts containing only 4 letter words by Friday the 3rd at 10:17 am.

lol. Perhaps.

If you really want a laugh, look at some goldbug forums, they're constantly predicting the birth of the Amero to replace the dollar.

:laugh:
























 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

And what does an economist know of the capital markets? They aren't finance majors, nor do they work here.

i have several friends who are economists and not finance majors and work there. don't be so narrow.

If the bill doesn't pass, I have dibbs on Legend Killer's posts containing only 4 letter words by Friday the 3rd at 10:17 am.

lol. Perhaps.

If you really want a laugh, look at some goldbug forums, they're constantly predicting the birth of the Amero to replace the dollar.

:laugh:


I've been there a couple times. It's quite amusing.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: LegendKiller


I've been there a couple times. It's quite amusing.

Well, I'm back in, I have $3 to trade with now :D

I got into GS @ 122.60. That was after playing around with DGZ/DGP for a while, then riding C from 14 to 21, although I would have made more holding.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: LegendKiller


I've been there a couple times. It's quite amusing.

Well, I'm back in, I have $3 to trade with now :D

I got into GS @ 122.60. That was after playing around with DGZ/DGP for a while, then riding C from 14 to 21, although I would have made more holding.

I'm going to wait for a dip on GS, too popular right now...

We shall see.
 

BoberFett

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I'm surprised Bush hasn't called LegendKiller directly to have him fix everything. He's clearly the smartest person who has ever existed. Ever.

:roll:
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
I'm surprised Bush hasn't called LegendKiller directly to have him fix everything. He's clearly the smartest person who has ever existed. Ever.

:roll:

Thanks. I appreciate it.
 

Michael

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Boberfett,

The smartest one is dmcowen674. He not only has the solution today, he predicted it years ago. LegendKiller is doing a decent job as an understudy, but he is not at the level of mastery that dmcowen674 has achieved.

Michael