Now you are going to have to jump through another hoop to get a job. . . (and to keep it)

[episodic]

I can see this being confusing and a potentially big problem, especially if the same problems arise with this database as other ones they are trying to use now. . .


Basically this law will create a database where you have to prove to the government you have a right to work - and even if currently employed - you have to reprove yourself.

http://news.com.com/Work+bill+would+cre...w+ID+database/2100-1028_3-6185466.html

 

[Q]

Yay

 

[Howard]

:|

 

[episodic]

I find it odd that most people here illegally commit document fraud. Won't they just continue to commit document fraud under this system?

 

[ed21x]

so the government wants to set up a verification database to confirm that the SS#'s of everyone is real. Not too bad methinks, and certainly a short one time thing for most people. it's a shame that the government has to go to such an extreme to combat forged documents, undocumented workers, and fake SS#s.

 

[Mr Incognito]

well that will screw over alot of good guys in the restaurant business.

 

[episodic]

What happens if you get on a list that says you can't work?

You've read in the news about how hard it is to get off of the not flying lists if you are mistakenly put on one. . .

 

[compuwiz1]

I'm an illegal Mexican border crosser, so I doubt I'd have this problemo.

 

[Ronstang]

If you are actually a citizen this shouldn't be too much of a problem. I can walk over to my safe right now and get enough documentation to prove I am a citizen, and each one would be easy to verify as authentic. I like this idea.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If you are actually a citizen this shouldn't be too much of a problem. I can walk over to my safe right now and get enough documentation to prove I am a citizen, and each one would be easy to verify as authentic. I like this idea.

You're very trusting of Big Government.

What happens if a database error prevents you from getting a job anywhere, and the paper-pushers at "Employment Security" say it's going to take 8 to 12 weeks to process the paperwork to get you off the "No-Work" list?

Just because you can show someone a birth certificate doesn't mean they can use it to fix your status. That requires filling out a form 2875-J, having it nortarized, and mailing it with a DNA sample to EmpSec headquarters in Washington.

Sound absurd? Tell that to the babies and grandmas on the No-fly list, who for 3 years had no recourse if they were mistakenly on it.

"Travel security procedures tightened after the September 11 attacks have become a bane for more than 31,000 innocent people each year." -- CNN

 

[Captante]

Aside from the obvious "big-brother" overtones this policy carries, I don't see it being a problem for me... I too can easily prove that I'm a citizen.

My one serious concern is that our personal information (ie: SS numbers) isn't readily available directly by reading the card.

 

[episodic]

So noone other than dave thinks this could mess up alot of innocent people?

 

[chusteczka]

Originally posted by: episodic
So noone other than dave thinks this could mess up alot of innocent people?

This Bill is obviously promoting an infringement on the freedoms of American citizens. However, the uneducated and simple minded masses tend to go along with anything their trusted government does since the people do not understand how their rights are being taken away.

The term "Department of Homeland Security" still disgusts me as a marketing term for the complete removal of privacy rights for American citizens.

There is not much that can be done except to attempt to teach those that do not want to learn and thereby be seen as paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing nuts by the passive masses. This obligation quickly becomes tiring.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: episodic
What happens if you get on a list that says you can't work?

You've read in the news about how hard it is to get off of the not flying lists if you are mistakenly put on one. . .

I was on a no-flying list. It was extremely easy to get off.

But feel free to continue to believe exactly what the media wants you to believe...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: episodic
What happens if you get on a list that says you can't work?

You've read in the news about how hard it is to get off of the not flying lists if you are mistakenly put on one. . .

I was on a no-flying list. It was extremely easy to get off.

But feel free to continue to believe exactly what the media wants you to believe...

Who did you know? It took me almost a year to get off that list. Wanna know why I was on there to begin with? My name is phoenetically similar to another guy who was on the list. (That's what they said when I called anyway)

Every time I went to the airport I had to schedule an extra half hour so the counter person could take my ID back to the office and have the FBI (or whoever) verify that I was not this other guy. What a PITA.

Getting off the no-fly list is not easy. It was a year long mess of phone calls and letters... trying to navigate all the government BS.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: episodic
What happens if you get on a list that says you can't work?

You've read in the news about how hard it is to get off of the not flying lists if you are mistakenly put on one. . .

I was on a no-flying list. It was extremely easy to get off.

But feel free to continue to believe exactly what the media wants you to believe...

Who did you know? It took me almost a year to get off that list. Wanna know why I was on there to begin with? My name is phoenetically similar to another guy who was on the list. (That's what they said when I called anyway)

Every time I went to the airport I had to schedule an extra half hour so the counter person could take my ID back to the office and have the FBI (or whoever) verify that I was not this other guy. What a PITA.

Getting off the no-fly list is not easy. It was a year long mess of phone calls and letters... trying to navigate all the government BS.

Well, I was in the military at the time so it didn't take a lot of convincing on my part to explain why I shouldn't be on the list.

Counter lady had a confused look on her face, told me I was on a no-fly list, asked to see my ID again and asked if she could hold onto it for a minute while she went to the back room for a couple minutes, and said I could go but that I should see customer service when I landed or get to the airport early when I was doing my return trip.

I had some time when I landed so I went to their customer service office at my destination airport, they asked to see my ID again, took it to a back office for another five minutes, and that was it.

Two trips to a back office, no phone calls, no letters, and I've heard no mention of any list since then.