Now who was for subsidized health care again?

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

Rates really have little to do with it.
Low rates would be offset by high number of visits. Which is why other countries pay do damned bloody much for healthcare. Not because the per visit charge is so high as its not, but because the number of visits are so high.

Hell, if it cost me nothing to be seen I'd go to the doctor for every little cold and sneeze I had. I have a $15 copay plus meds. Sneezes and colds get a box of tissues, not go to the doctor.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: eskimospy
My guess would be the same way in which every single other industrialized democracy on earth has implemented a universal health care plan.

I know that you have valid reasons for wanting UHC, so this is not really directed at you, but I'm getting really tired of the whole "Everyone else has UHC so we should too" argument.

Well, I think it's more of a "UHC works for everyone else, so why shouldn't it work for us?" type of a reason.

But still, it may be better than what we have now, but it won't be a sugary affair.

Which is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
A problem few seem to consider that comprehensive UHC is going to be very, very expensive. That means substantial taxes. Other industrial nations with UHC have extremely high tax rates to pay for a system which evolved over time. That would not be the case in the US. It would be a forced implementation of a politician run program. So what does that matter if everyone can see a doctor when ever they want? It sounds good.

Now consider that you are a typical American with a typical family. Your living close to the edge financially, but making it. Then you discover your taxes go up, a lot. Now your income doesn't meet your needs. You are going bankrupt.

Multiply that scenario by millions.

When someone comes up with a WORKABLE solution to that problem, then I'll discuss UHC as being a viable possibility.

PS. No Magic Fairys need apply. You have to work with the like of Bush and Hillary.

I like market solutions. I heard that low prices relates to availability and high price to scarcity. Doctors artificially maintain their numbers at low levels. The government, therefore, need only change that and pay for free college for anybody who whats to be a government doctor. We can hire all of India and China's graduating class. Millions of more doctors everywhere will bring the cost of medicine way way down. Naturally, some of those who are doctors now will, in effect, have their taxes raised, their income lowered, right, so they will go bankrupt too, but at least the general public will benefit, no?

Much depends on how things are structured. My wife has a friend who was in private practice who was a wonderful pediatrician. She did indeed start off with a handsome income. Over time her reimbursements by medicaid and private insurance were cut, while her uncontrollable expenses rose. After a dozen years or so her net income went negative. Simply put, Maryland is out at least one fine doctor because every hour she worked required here taking money from her savings. The more she worked, the less she earned.

She's now teaching at a small college making a very modest salary, and is quite happy. She's not the one harmed.

That's another problem that has to be dealt with first. Outsourcing medicine won't help if the income doesn't pay the bills. Minimum wage docs won't be coming here soon.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

that's how it works Beamy, you just have to read this thread to know that the US has the best healthcare system in the known universe, and we also know that quality is not cheap

USA n°1, USA n°1

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Are you familiar with "Charge as much as the market will bear ?"

You honestly think that hospitals and doctors only charge what they have to , to provide good service ?

Do you work for the AMA ?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Are you familiar with "Charge as much as the market will bear ?"

You honestly think that hospitals and doctors only charge what they have to , to provide good service ?

Do you work for the AMA ?

Except the .gov sets prices below what the market can bear. Hence long lines, denied care and people coming to.....you guessed it, the good ole US of A to have healthcare treatments done.

Whens the last time you heard of someone going to Canada to have treatment?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Yes, I have heard that one too. Why do you mention it? There's another too, no? Nothing cheep without reason.

How about 'The best things in life are free'?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Are you familiar with "Charge as much as the market will bear ?"

You honestly think that hospitals and doctors only charge what they have to , to provide good service ?

Do you work for the AMA ?

Except the .gov sets prices below what the market can bear. Hence long lines, denied care and people coming to.....you guessed it, the good ole US of A to have healthcare treatments done.

Whens the last time you heard of someone going to Canada to have treatment?

strange, in Belgium we have socialized healthcare and there are ZERO waiting lists here

can you explain why our evil system can manage this?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Are you familiar with "Charge as much as the market will bear ?"

You honestly think that hospitals and doctors only charge what they have to , to provide good service ?

Do you work for the AMA ?

Except the .gov sets prices below what the market can bear. Hence long lines, denied care and people coming to.....you guessed it, the good ole US of A to have healthcare treatments done.

Whens the last time you heard of someone going to Canada to have treatment?

strange, in Belgium we have socialized healthcare and there are ZERO waiting lists here

can you explain why our evil system can manage this?

Belgium has 1/30th the total population of the U.S., and then there's THIS...

Belgium's extensive welfare state is supported by exceptionally high government spending and income tax rates. Overall tax revenue is an uncommonly high percent of GDP, and Belgium's government size score is 50 percentage points worse than the world average...Belgium's income tax rate is one of the world's highest, and its corporate tax rate is also high. The top income tax rate is 50 percent, and the top corporate tax rate is 34 percent (a 33 percent tax rate and 3 percent surcharge). Other taxes include a value-added tax (VAT), a transport tax, and a property tax. In the most recent year, overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 44.9 percent.

you think that might have something to do with it? nahh... 😕

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Yes, I have heard that one too. Why do you mention it? There's another too, no? Nothing cheep without reason.

How about 'The best things in life are free'?

Hahaha, give me ONE example where thats true.
Just one. You can use any realistic example you want. You should know nothing in life is free.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


I like market solutions. I heard that low prices relates to availability and high price to scarcity. Doctors artificially maintain their numbers at low levels. The government, therefore, need only change that and pay for free college for anybody who whats to be a government doctor. We can hire all of India and China's graduating class. Millions of more doctors everywhere will bring the cost of medicine way way down. Naturally, some of those who are doctors now will, in effect, have their taxes raised, their income lowered, right, so they will go bankrupt too, but at least the general public will benefit, no?

I agree with this. We need more doctors and the AMA are keeping the numbers of doctors artificially low.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Are you familiar with "Charge as much as the market will bear ?"

You honestly think that hospitals and doctors only charge what they have to , to provide good service ?

Do you work for the AMA ?

Except the .gov sets prices below what the market can bear. Hence long lines, denied care and people coming to.....you guessed it, the good ole US of A to have healthcare treatments done.

Whens the last time you heard of someone going to Canada to have treatment?

strange, in Belgium we have socialized healthcare and there are ZERO waiting lists here

can you explain why our evil system can manage this?

It's simple: your socialized government health care prioritizes people into classes deserving of treatment and those not deserving. So those who know they can't be treated never even bother going to the hospital, because if they do and they're, for example, elderly, they'll be euthenized on the spot to save the state some money.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Belgium has 1/30th the total population of the U.S., and then there's THIS...

Belgium's extensive welfare state is supported by exceptionally high government spending and income tax rates. Overall tax revenue is an uncommonly high percent of GDP, and Belgium's government size score is 50 percentage points worse than the world average...Belgium's income tax rate is one of the world's highest, and its corporate tax rate is also high. The top income tax rate is 50 percent, and the top corporate tax rate is 34 percent (a 33 percent tax rate and 3 percent surcharge). Other taxes include a value-added tax (VAT), a transport tax, and a property tax. In the most recent year, overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 44.9 percent.

you think that might have something to do with it? nahh... 😕

So? In the end their standard of living is higher... isn't that the whole point?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Yes, I have heard that one too. Why do you mention it? There's another too, no? Nothing cheep without reason.

How about 'The best things in life are free'?

Hahaha, give me ONE example where thats true.
Just one. You can use any realistic example you want. You should know nothing in life is free.

"Remember, smiles are free, but 'love' will cost you at least $20!!"

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


I like market solutions. I heard that low prices relates to availability and high price to scarcity. Doctors artificially maintain their numbers at low levels. The government, therefore, need only change that and pay for free college for anybody who whats to be a government doctor. We can hire all of India and China's graduating class. Millions of more doctors everywhere will bring the cost of medicine way way down. Naturally, some of those who are doctors now will, in effect, have their taxes raised, their income lowered, right, so they will go bankrupt too, but at least the general public will benefit, no?

I agree with this. We need more doctors and the AMA are keeping the numbers of doctors artificially low.

I assume both of you are enrolled in the very easy medical programs right? Hell, some are available over the internet! Thats the background I want the guy cutting me open to have
"Community college graduate!" Woohoo!

Sorry, when it comes to me life I dont want the budget options, I want the most expensive doctor on the planet. Because as you say, what the market will bear. If he wasnt worth a million a visit he wouldnt charge it otherwise he would quickly go out of business.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eleison

I agree with this. We need more doctors and the AMA are keeping the numbers of doctors artificially low.

I assume both of you are enrolled in the very easy medical programs right? Hell, some are available over the internet! Thats the background I want the guy cutting me open to have
"Community college graduate!" Woohoo!

Sorry, when it comes to me life I dont want the budget options, I want the most expensive doctor on the planet. Because as you say, what the market will bear. If he wasnt worth a million a visit he wouldnt charge it otherwise he would quickly go out of business.

Sometimes people can only afford the "budget" option. Why deny them this option? If you want to pay a Harvard medical school surgeon to look at your simple, sprained ankle for $20,000 a minute -- great, its your money. However, if you want want an cheaper doctor that went to a small state school that may not be "as good" to look at your ankle, that should also be an option also.

Remember, becoming a doctor in the US is very hard compared to other countries. In those countries where becoming a doctor is easier, their doctors seemed to be very competent also. As a matter of fact, some of these doctors are being imported to the US. Obviously, the AMA is also trying to limit this also.

More doctors will lower the medical bills... however, the doctors will be paid less.. but who cares, its about helping the majority of people... it should not be about salaries..

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: bozack
Just perusing through the weekend paper when on page one I stumble across an article on how their ?miracle? ?groundbreaking? ?revolutionary? subsidized health care is way overenrolled and subsequently over budget?.they are petitioning for federal funds but good luck with that?so the reality is that the taxpayers are going to have to shoulder the brunt of the cost, and here in MA those taxpayers are usually solidly middle class, the same group that can barely afford housing costs, transit costs, and everything else that this liberal wonderland has to offer?

And according to the article the primary reason for ?Commonwealth Care? being over budget is the number of Medicaid/Mass Health ?users?, plus the dumbasses never re-negotiated costs with the insurance companies and providers, thus the services are full price and they are just using taxpayer money to front the cost?

The Globe/Democrat cites shortsightedness by Romney, but really the Democrats who run the rest of the state reviewed and amended this plan, so to lay blame solely on one guy with limited power as a governor that had virtually no legislature behind him is a bit weak IMHO.

My question, if the great state of Massachusetts cannot make this work without penalizing their working class citizens how in the world do we really expect to get a universal health care plan on a national level off the ground without killing middle and upper middle class taxpayers?

Here is the link:

http://www.boston.com/news/loc...cost_to_double/?page=1

Read this response to the boston article. Basically the numbers they are using are incorrect. Suggest you read the other links contained in that blog.
http://blog.hcfama.org/?p=1421

01 Feb 2008
Correction to the Media: $400 Million Isn?t The Number. It?s $156 Million.

How much more is health reform going to cost the state next year?

The answer is $156 million, not $400 million (details below). If you follow MA health reform, there are a lot of reasons you might think $400 million is the bad news number.

A glance at the Globe?s top story last Thursday might make you think it?s $400 million. The lead: ?Spending on the state?s landmark health initiative would rise by more than $400 million next year, representing one of the largest increases in the $28.2 billion state budget??

In Bob Kuttner?s Globe column Monday, the $400 million gets worse: ?the Globe recently disclosed [that] the program?s costs are outstripping its projections by ? $400 million next year.? Similarly, yesterday?s Wall Street Journal op-ed by Shikha Dalmia (no link), states that ?The state health-care bill for fiscal 2008-2009 is expected to touch $400 million ? 85% more than originally projected.? Today, CNN?s respected Dr. Sanjay Gupta reported that ?While more people than ever are covered in Massachusetts, the cost overruns have been more than $400 million.?

So now, $400 million isn?t just the amount of spending growth, it?s being called all unanticipated growth and cost overruns. The story has falsely morphed to mean that health reform spending will be $400 million above projections ? that state officials had predicted no growth next year. This in a program that is still ramping up enrollment and subject to medical inflation like everything else. Substantial spending growth has always been anticipated. It?s not all cost overruns.

$400 million isn?t even the relevant number.

Yes, health reform spending in the governor?s budget is projected to increase by $402 million next year. But Medicaid is a matching program ? more spending means more federal help. The revenue expected for next year should go up by $246 million.

This leaves a much more manageable $156 million increase that must be filled from state resources.

So the ?$400 million? isn?t all unanticipated and isn?t all coming from state taxpayers.

Once bad data gets out, it?s almost impossible to recall. The enemies of chapter 58 are all over this. A $400 million cost overrun has been reported in papers all over (like Utah), in Republican blogs, in influential California health news digests, press releases and more.

How do you get back all the feathers, once the pillow has been burst?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eleison

I agree with this. We need more doctors and the AMA are keeping the numbers of doctors artificially low.

I assume both of you are enrolled in the very easy medical programs right? Hell, some are available over the internet! Thats the background I want the guy cutting me open to have
"Community college graduate!" Woohoo!

Sorry, when it comes to me life I dont want the budget options, I want the most expensive doctor on the planet. Because as you say, what the market will bear. If he wasnt worth a million a visit he wouldnt charge it otherwise he would quickly go out of business.

Sometimes people can only afford the "budget" option. Why deny them this option? If you want to pay a Harvard medical school surgeon to look at your simple, sprained ankle for $20,000 a minute -- great, its your money. However, if you want want an cheaper doctor that went to a small state school that may not be "as good" to look at your ankle, that should also be an option also.

Remember, becoming a doctor in the US is very hard compared to other countries. In those countries where becoming a doctor is easier, their doctors seemed to be very competent also. As a matter of fact, some of these doctors are being imported to the US. Obviously, the AMA is also trying to limit this also.

More doctors will lower the medical bills... however, the doctors will be paid less.. but who cares, its about helping the majority of people... it should be about salaries..

It should be hard to become a doctor! Have you ever actually witnessed first hand a medical procedure?
This isnt sticking your arm up a cows ass to get it pregnent, or getting Mr. Cuddles your 6 foot Boa to eat. This is dealing with the lives of our loved ones.

Seeing how all the Democrats always want to "make things better for the children" I just dont see why they want to make medical care worse! 😕

 

[Modelworks]

The ban on importing of pharmaceuticals from countries where the exact same drug is available at much lower cost, is because the drugs here are so much better ?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Solution to the health care problem is to start with the problem.
The doctors and hospitals that charge 100.00 a minute !


I just got my bill for a recent hospital stay.
x-ray - I only had one - $527.65
Pharmacy - 3 pills a day for 14 days - $3,520.92
Room charges - $9,152.00 , thats $650.00 a day


Compare that to charges in other countries and I see why our health care is in trouble.
Noone but the damn millionaires can afford it !

if you want the best, you have to pay for it buddy :beer:

Why?

Are you familiar with the saying "You get what you pay for"?

If someonee else is paying, rest assured it will NOT be as good as if you pay.
It just may cost you more money. Of course thats why you shouldnt be a slackass and maybe try to better yourself so that you can afford the best treatment the world has ever known. 🙂

Yes, I have heard that one too. Why do you mention it? There's another too, no? Nothing cheep without reason.

How about 'The best things in life are free'?

Hahaha, give me ONE example where thats true.
Just one. You can use any realistic example you want. You should know nothing in life is free.

My slogans are better than your slogans and I asked for proof of yours first. Nobody can argue with the fact that the best things in life are free. Obviously you know nothing about what is best. I can't dialog with such an uninformed person as you. You can lead a horse to water but he remains a horse. And just you try to fool me twice.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eleison

I agree with this. We need more doctors and the AMA are keeping the numbers of doctors artificially low.

I assume both of you are enrolled in the very easy medical programs right? Hell, some are available over the internet! Thats the background I want the guy cutting me open to have
"Community college graduate!" Woohoo!

Sorry, when it comes to me life I dont want the budget options, I want the most expensive doctor on the planet. Because as you say, what the market will bear. If he wasnt worth a million a visit he wouldnt charge it otherwise he would quickly go out of business.

Sometimes people can only afford the "budget" option. Why deny them this option? If you want to pay a Harvard medical school surgeon to look at your simple, sprained ankle for $20,000 a minute -- great, its your money. However, if you want want an cheaper doctor that went to a small state school that may not be "as good" to look at your ankle, that should also be an option also.

Remember, becoming a doctor in the US is very hard compared to other countries. In those countries where becoming a doctor is easier, their doctors seemed to be very competent also. As a matter of fact, some of these doctors are being imported to the US. Obviously, the AMA is also trying to limit this also.

More doctors will lower the medical bills... however, the doctors will be paid less.. but who cares, its about helping the majority of people... it should be about salaries..

It should be hard to become a doctor! Have you ever actually witnessed first hand a medical procedure?
This isnt sticking your arm up a cows ass to get it pregnent, or getting Mr. Cuddles your 6 foot Boa to eat. This is dealing with the lives of our loved ones.

Seeing how all the Democrats always want to "make things better for the children" I just dont see why they want to make medical care worse! 😕

You don't see anything but what you want to see. It's real hard to make medical care worse for people who don't have any.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Seeing how all the Democrats always want to "make things better for the children" I just dont see why they want to make medical care worse! 😕

What is worse for children.....

Not being able to see any doctor at all or having to live in shelters after your family loses their home to pay for medical treatment...

Or

Seeing a doctor that you are required to wait a couple of hours for?

Also, can you provide evidence re:your assumption that the care will get worse?