Now this is what I call a gun.

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BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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Join the army. A folding shovel is standard issue. Now get your ass in gear and dig.

EngineNr9

It depends on what job you're doing. Anything from a shotgun, to a machine gun, sub-machine gun, sniper rifle, whatever the job calls for. But AFAIK, everyone still qualifies on M16A2s.
 

XMan

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This was in Popular Science last year, and in the "Best of What's New" a couple of months ago . . . don't you guys read Popular Science? ;)

The most recent issue was talking about the new body armor they're working on; including the electronic helmet and a forearm-mounted weapons pod . . . it's a pretty slick get-up . . .

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Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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It will all be very nice, but not untill we have better batteries. Think about it the future soldier in the middle of the battlefield, then all sortsof lights and bleeps come "battery low".
 

DaBoneHead

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They should spend as much time working on non-lethal technologies.

Not that I don't appreciate this weapon, but todays soldiers are faced with second class threats more than warsaw-pact (including Iraq) style threats.

For instance... You are the guard of an embassy, your country does something which is viewed as 'anti the-people'. A large gathering of students and others begin a peaceful demonstration outside the embassy, and you and the other guards look on with at first irritation, and then with anticipation as the growing demonstration starts to get violent, and demonstrators start to throw rocks and bottles. Soon a group of demonstrators rushes the embassy fence, and starts climbing over...

What do you do?

A) Mow them down, bringing on an international incident...
B) Fire above the crowd and hope they disperse, but risk causing a panic...
C) Fall back, giving ground for time and hope you can be evacuated...

Hypothetical situation. Nope. Fall of the American Embassy in 1979 in Iran. The time when "American" and "Hostage" were synonomous.

In the past decade, a great deal of research has been put into non-lethal, restraining technologies, but it pales with the money being spent on lethal technologies. With American and UN forces spread around the globe trying to enforce peace, the normal day to day threat isn't a traditional army, but a group of rock and brick throwing kids. Our society won't tolerate the concept of armed soldiers cutting down a pack of 14 year old just for throwing bottles, but they haven't provided much more than rubber bullets for the last 10 years (and yes, i include sting-balls in that).

We need to find a way to suppress an enemy, without killing them. Largely because the battlefields of the 21st century will be in Urban and City settings, whether in Kosovo or Columbia or Malaysia.

Just my $.02.
 

Lalakai

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I've talked with people who have trained with them and the weapons are designated as a Squad Weapon, meaning only 1-2 per squad. Primary emphasis is placed on allowing the individual to fire from a concealed position without showing themselves to return fire.

the jury is still out on well it'll be received; that's alot of extra weight to be humpin' when someone else is wanting to perforate your body. The advantage of being able to time an aerial explosion to target shrapnel down on the opposite side of a trench or barrier sounds nice,.............when you have the time to fully complete the process.

more then anything, this sounds like another boondogle that will pour lots of tax dollars into a specific political region. And they wonder why they have trouble filling enlistment quotas. oh well.
 

Croton

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heh heh

Imagine if this gun ran Windows on it. So as the soldier is trying to kill someone, the BSOD appears.

That would suck. :)
 

Buddha Bart

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As much as I hate to equate my paintball hobbey with any kind of real combat, no freakin way in hell will anyone be able to carry that weapon, in a ready postion, for more than 5 minutes.

The computer needs to shrink A LOT, and that middle piece, the huge part with the stock on the end, needs to be shrunk.

ugh

bart
 

Pretender

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In the embassy situation: I would blast all the people to hell. They were trespassing, and even if they were trying to make a point, an embassy with armed guards is the wrong place to do it.
 

dennilfloss

Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Oct 21, 1999
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This concept has been around for a while and I've posted pictures of its various incarnations at times. The huge stock on the end is because it's a bullpup design: the 20mm ammo goes there. I just wonder what the recoil is like when firing 20mm ammo. :)

Anyway, there are 5 pictures at Security Arms

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