Now this is what I call a gun.

piku

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personally I think its just a _bit_ too bulky. You cant be running around with an 18 pound gun the size of a couch and expect to be effective in battle.
 

Rogue

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Well, it's better than shooting an M-60 from the shoulder like the Navy Seals, Special Forces and Rangers do.
 

marketsons1985

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<< This is a dangerous Class IV laser project and requires initial purchase of plans including our hazardous equipment affidavit that must be signed before purchase of the actual system. >>


Hehe

:D
 

BoberFett

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That looks incredibly bulky. I'd be interested in trying one out though. :)

EngineNr9

To the best of my knowledge, standard issue is still an M16A2 with no M203.
 

BiB

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Bulky, but looks like I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end.
Holy jesus read this: Besides acting as a telescopic day and night sight, the computer has an integral laser range finder. When trained on a target, the laser can determine the distance to the objective, accurate to ± 50cm out to 500m and ± one meter over 1000m. When it has locked in the range, the computer relays the data to the fusing control system for the 20mm high explosive (HE) ammunition. This means that the HE shells can be timed to explode in an airburst after they have travelled the required distance. A soldier could therefore attack an opponent hiding in a trench by shooting over the top of it, or detonate rounds just inside a window that might conceal a sniper.
 

Pretender

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It would make a nice sniper or other tactical weapon, but for standard armed forces, it's just too bulky, expensive, and has too many features. You'd probably have to stop, read the instruction manual to find the trigger, and hope that you weren't dead by then.
 

chipbgt

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<< The sci-fi rifle will have two barrels, an integral computer, laser range-finding and be technically capable of shooting a round a corner >>




um....uh oh
 

BiB

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I think it will certainly take some additional training, but like that page says its better to spend $8-10k on a rifle (instead of $550 for a standard issue) and save a guy's life, which costs more training $$ in the end. Its good from a financial as well as non-financial perspective.

Use properly I think it could seriously kick some crazy butt and it nearly scares me.
 

piku

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bib - i read that explosive ammo thing and almost pissed my pants!...

...untill I realized we don't fight in trenches anymore :p

still that is completley awesome technology. Those damn sand people are screwed if they decide to mess with their neighboring countries again :p
 

BiB

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omg, I read &quot;sand people&quot; and I _honestly_ was thinking about the sand people from star wars on tatoine, then I realized what u talking about! You're right, $550 is easy to come by for a weapon, $8-10k only rich countries can. Makes me glad Canada is friends with the US.
 

BoberFett

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piku

Since when don't we fight in trenches anymore. How many years have you spent in the military?
 

BiB

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I guess he meant bombing raids and stuff, less ground forces needed as a percentage in modern militaries perhaps? But many are still in the trenches....
 

piku

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<< Since when don't we fight in trenches anymore. >>



OK you build a trench in the sand.

Or in the jungle of a small foreign country.






Thats what I thought.



I would think trenches would be so outdated by now. Can you provide a source of the most recent use of trenches in war?
 

Mandrill

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Gulf war is the most recent example of a war that used trenches. Iraqis had tons of trenches. Allied forces equiped tanks with plows and just burried them in as they went thru.

Also, what about fox holes? guys laying below a rise in the ground? Hiding in an artillery shell hole?
 

piku

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Are you serious? How the heck did they manage to dig trenches in the sand!?

And you just helped prove my point - TANKS. I thought tanks killed trench warfare.
 

PistachioByAzul

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BoberFett, M16A2 is standard issue for regular troops, but for special forces like Marine Recon, Army Rangers, Navy Seals etc. I'm pretty sure its M4/M203 combos. Could be wrong though.