Now there's something you don't see every day... BB Torch 50% off already

[QueBert]

Phone uptime? really? My iPhone 1G was up 5 straight months, the only reason it rebooted was because apps I installed needed it to. Outside of my WM6.1 phone I can't think of any smart phone I've ever owned that needed to ever be rebooted unless I made a modification to the OS.

 

[trmiv]

Well like I said I'm an Android fan, but I'll play devil's advocate. Here's a screenshot from my work BB Tour (taken with my Droid, lol) That's about 1184 hours of uptime. So yea, 1000+ hours is possible with a Blackberry.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Phone uptime? really? My iPhone 1G was up 5 straight months, the only reason it rebooted was because apps I installed needed it to. Outside of my WM6.1 phone I can't think of any smart phone I've ever owned that needed to ever be rebooted unless I made a modification to the OS.

I feel like I need to reboot my Android at least once a week.. typically 3 days or so for it to feel ok.

I'll admit the iPhone uptime is amazing. The only reboots I did on my iPod and iPhone were because apps crashed it... probably 4-5 times over the course of a year.

My S60 phone? I kept it on all the time. However I used a 2 battery scheme a good amount of the time so that involved rebooting. But when I lost my 2nd battery for days or weeks at time, I would use the old fashion recharge, and I never had a problem not rebooting. So yeah... so far S60 and iPhone have been the most robust for me although S60 is far more unreliable and results in random reboots kinda like Android does....

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

To be frank, you're talking shit. There is nothing 'bad' about a cell phone being restarted. Period. In fact my Froyo powered device has restarted around 60 times in the last week alone.

Also, lets have some validation in that pic, that it's yours. A bit of paper next to that value with the number "454-289" written in that way will do.

except that it takes about 6 minutes to boot up and it seems to happen at the worst possible times.

 

[xCxStylex]

I think this has hit the spot.

Who buys phones? Regular consumers and businesses. Consumers want the hottest newest shit, Torch doesn't offer much except being the newest, best? BB. Business users don't see a pressing need to upgrade. I really don't see many blackberry users.

Also, consumers are stupid, follow other people, and reading "mediocre" reviews isn't going to make someone jump.


IMO, I don't think BB will die out completely, but in the far future (within 8-10 years is my guess) it will lose a shit ton of market share. The only thing BB has for itself is BES / BESX. Once apple or android unveil controls and security on the same level that BES offers, gg RIM.

Well-heeled consumers don't see it as the latest and greatest must-have chic gadget, and there aren't any critical features to force business users to upgrade. If that's not a recipe for disappointing sales I don't know what is.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

bb is about a year behind iphone and android in terms of hardware (cpu and screen size). now that they have bb6 and webkit browser theyre reasonably competitive in terms of software function. by october when storm3 comes out they will have upgraded their hardware and that and their lower price will keep them in the game, even though i will be tossing my tour for a verizon iphone in january

 

[Pliablemoose]

I think this has hit the spot.

Who buys phones? Regular consumers and businesses. Consumers want the hottest newest shit, Torch doesn't offer much except being the newest, best? BB. Business users don't see a pressing need to upgrade. I really don't see many blackberry users.

RIM.

A couple of years ago, BB users were pretty vocal about loving their BB, now, when I comment on their BB, they have an excuse for having one and a non BB phone purchase planned and a model already picked out.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Hey, the Samsung Captivate and Vibrant are down to a Penny each. Is Android dead*?


*Of course not, but as this thread shows, it makes for some fun reading.

 

[DivideBYZero]

bb is about a year behind iphone and android in terms of hardware (cpu and screen size). now that they have bb6 and webkit browser theyre reasonably competitive in terms of software function. by october when storm3 comes out they will have upgraded their hardware and that and their lower price will keep them in the game, even though i will be tossing my tour for a verizon iphone in january

Hmm, the Storm 3 is probably going to be a bigger disappointment than the Torch...

 

[Pliablemoose]

Hey, the Samsung Captivate and Vibrant are down to a Penny each. Is Android dead*?


*Of course not, but as this thread shows, it makes for some fun reading.

I think the difference is that BB actually thought they had a winner on their hands, makes me wonder just how clued in BB is to the consumer's likes and dislikes.

Samsung made a major play with it's cross carrier releases. I think in a year or two we'll see a vastly different picture for BB, as current users come off contract with their BB phones.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I think the difference is that BB actually thought they had a winner on their hands, makes me wonder just how clued in BB is to the consumer's likes and dislikes.

Samsung made a major play with it's cross carrier releases. I think in a year or two we'll see a vastly different picture for BB, as current users come off contract with their BB phones.

I'm having trouble keeping up with your points as they keep jumping about.

Nobody, not even I, is going to defend the stagnant hardware choice used in the Torch, but by all accounts it's selling very well. You posited that the Torch is fucked because it's available @$99. However, the flagship Android from Samsung is now available for 1c. So is the "rumor is they can't give them away..", to quote you directly, for Samsung too?

Let the sales numbers do the talking in the next round of NPD numbers, that's what I'm saying.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I'm having trouble keeping up with your points as they keep jumping about.

Nobody, not even I, is going to defend the stagnant hardware choice used in the Torch, but by all accounts it's selling very well. You posited that the Torch is fucked because it's available @$99. However, the flagship Android from Samsung is now available for 1c. So is the "rumor is they can't give them away..", to quote you directly, for Samsung too?

Let the sales numbers do the talking in the next round of NPD numbers, that's what I'm saying.

Getting captive BB users to upgrade isn't that hard, they're accustomed to the platform, attracting new users to the platform is necessary for BB to remain competitive, the numbers suggest a significant number of upgrades, not converts.

Even you have to admit that compared to the offerings by Apple & the gazillion Android OS based phones, that BB falls short in the consumer sector.

The Samsung offerings that are now discounted weren't discounted as quickly as the Torch, either, I also haven't heard of any sellouts of the Torch, seems most places sold 1/2 their inventory promptly, with plenty more available.

The EVO, Droid X, Incredible, and iPhone 4 are all difficult to find even now... I relaize that supply has a lot to do with availability, but you have to admit consumer demand for these devices tops the demand for the Torch...

Of course, the BB faithful may be waiting for the awesomeness of the BlackPad :biggrin:

 

[Deeko]

I think the difference is that BB actually thought they had a winner on their hands, makes me wonder just how clued in BB is to the consumer's likes and dislikes.

Samsung made a major play with it's cross carrier releases. I think in a year or two we'll see a vastly different picture for BB, as current users come off contract with their BB phones.

The thing is, people have been saying that for years now. The first polls that were "shocking revelations" about the upcoming death of Blackberry, citing statistics that over half of BB users wanted an iPhone, were quite some time now. Yet here we are...Blackberry might have relinquished the #1 market share spot, but all in all they're still selling pretty damn well.

 

[Pliablemoose]

The thing is, people have been saying that for years now. The first polls that were "shocking revelations" about the upcoming death of Blackberry, citing statistics that over half of BB users wanted an iPhone, were quite some time now. Yet here we are...Blackberry might have relinquished the #1 market share spot, but all in all they're still selling pretty damn well.

They have a long way to fall, the question is how far and how long will it take.

I don't know anyone who plans to upgrade to a new BB, not one single person...

When you talk to them about their BB, they're apologetic and have an excuse as to why they have one.

"I have to use it, my job makes me."

Windows Mobile used to own the smartphone market as well.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I'm having trouble keeping up with your points as they keep jumping about.

Nobody, not even I, is going to defend the stagnant hardware choice used in the Torch, but by all accounts it's selling very well. You posited that the Torch is fucked because it's available @$99. However, the flagship Android from Samsung is now available for 1c. So is the "rumor is they can't give them away..", to quote you directly, for Samsung too?

Let the sales numbers do the talking in the next round of NPD numbers, that's what I'm saying.

i don't know how much you can extrapolate from sales numbers, since many are forced by their companies to use bb's.

it's like car sales #'s which are skewed due to fleet sales, except those are sometimes separated from retail sales reports.