msi's gtx 260 for $299:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814127361
gigabyte's 260 for $339:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814125226
So they r here for this price just as I was expecting. With Adobe announced their important software on CUDA (was it photoshop?), ~900mb mem on card, better heat management, I say its pretty good investment for now and for future.
Was just thinking, 4870 and 4850 r identical and the only difference is of ddr5 vs ddr3 right? So what about nvidia takes all gtx 260 to $299 and release a gtx 270 with ddr5 (everything else ditto of gtx 260) at $399. I think its going to happen. But that will beat 280's performance
, so than they should come up with gtx 290 with ddr 5 and man what the performance will be. All nvidia needs to do is manage the prices better, they already got the best single gpu (and i believe, unlike others, its not so expensive to make, its just that nvidia tried to get more profits but they failed, which is ok).
I think ati/amd is only playing with ddr5 (thats the only weapon they have, and the price was a weapon for only few days), they have not beat nvidia at strictly gpu. They put ddr5 on 4850 to make a 4870 and look at the performance increase. So who can stop nvidia from doing the same, and once nvidia does ddr5 its going to be pretty hard for ati just as it was in the 8800 days, the world doesnt have a ddr 7 right now does it. I say Nvidia still has a much much upper hand on gpu. Its a battlefield warming up, n everyones invited (intel ??)
Competition is just lovely, everyone can serious-game now n yes big thanks goto AMD/ATI !!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814127361
gigabyte's 260 for $339:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814125226
So they r here for this price just as I was expecting. With Adobe announced their important software on CUDA (was it photoshop?), ~900mb mem on card, better heat management, I say its pretty good investment for now and for future.
Was just thinking, 4870 and 4850 r identical and the only difference is of ddr5 vs ddr3 right? So what about nvidia takes all gtx 260 to $299 and release a gtx 270 with ddr5 (everything else ditto of gtx 260) at $399. I think its going to happen. But that will beat 280's performance
, so than they should come up with gtx 290 with ddr 5 and man what the performance will be. All nvidia needs to do is manage the prices better, they already got the best single gpu (and i believe, unlike others, its not so expensive to make, its just that nvidia tried to get more profits but they failed, which is ok).I think ati/amd is only playing with ddr5 (thats the only weapon they have, and the price was a weapon for only few days), they have not beat nvidia at strictly gpu. They put ddr5 on 4850 to make a 4870 and look at the performance increase. So who can stop nvidia from doing the same, and once nvidia does ddr5 its going to be pretty hard for ati just as it was in the 8800 days, the world doesnt have a ddr 7 right now does it
. I say Nvidia still has a much much upper hand on gpu. Its a battlefield warming up, n everyones invited (intel ??) Competition is just lovely, everyone can serious-game now
n yes big thanks goto AMD/ATI !!One thing I'm curious to know, how well does an OC'd 4870 perform vs an OC'd GTX 260? From what I've seen, the GTX 260 has much better OC's than the 4870 does.
bryanW1995
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260 core oc's much better with stock cooler, but 4850 has much better mem oc so they're actually about a wash.
bryanW1995
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no, this is the only option that nvidia had. frankly, I'm surprised that they waited so long to do it. they tried to piss in amd's wheaties ( to continue with the defecatory metaphors ) with 9800gtx+ with little effect, they had to be hoping that 4870 wouldn't be quite so strong. nvidia's big problem here is that they can only hurt themselves here: amd will be able to lower prices much better than nvidia, and a huge price war will only stir up the market even more and net more sales for amd. nvidia needs to invest some of their billions in a time machine to get them to Q1 2009...
LOL. You almost made me spit out what I was drinking.
They dropped prices enough to where people will buy them. Im sure they will sell quite well now, unless ATi responds with price drops, then the cycle just continues. Im sure people who no-way-in-hell would have bought a 260/280 48 hours ago are seriously considering them.
There is no way I would have bought a 260 outright a day ago (The one I have cost me ~$100 on a step-up, so it was a no-brainer), but now I will happily shell out $299 or lower for another one for my first SLI setup.
Now if AMD can do this to Intel, a nice quad core Nehalem wont be so expensive.......
Edit: Not to crap on anyones birthday cake or anything
Cookie Monster
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With the GTX260 having a 448bit bus, it will gain alot more bandwidth even if the 4850 OCed more on the memory clock. A GTX260 hits roughly ~700/~1400/~2200 on Core/Shader/Mem clocks. They are able to reach stock GTX280 speeds.
As many said, GDDR5 brings less PCB complexity and an option for IHVs to increase bandwidth without the need to use massive memory interfaces.
fixed, as I'm pretty sure we're talking about hte 4870...the 4850's GDDR3 likely won't budge much and really isn't in the same league to begin with.
However you seem to be forgetting that GDDR5 is quad pumped, so it is essentially the same thing (same as the 280, slightly better than the 260) with every bump in MHz as far as total theoretical bandwidth available. Stock models are clocked @ 900MHz (for 3600MHz effective), however Diamond's black edition is supposed to come clocked at 1100MHz (4400MHz effective) with options to push it up to 1200...at 1100 its on the cusp of GTX280 bandwidth, and at 1200 its beyond it...
Man this price war has me giddy and confused at the same time. In the UK things are really hotting up. Certain sites have been dropping prices every day, sometimes more than once in a day! The GTX 280 is down from the upper £400's to £305 now, and the GTX 260's around the £200 mark. The 4870's in response to the GTX 260 drops are now going sub £200! I can get a Sapphire for £185, a Power Color for £175 or a HIS for £199. Not sure which to go for, or whether to wait for further price drops!
I haven't seen ATi cards benchmarked with AA in Bioshock, it used to be the couldn't run AA in Bioshock.
Is that still the case?
If so, I don't consider any Bioshock comnparisons valid, as NVIDIA can run AA.
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Or is it because, ATI just simple kicks Nvidia ass in Bioshock ? Which they do. But I can say this right now, I have been eye balling the GTX 260 ASUS model for a while. And now it is only $329
Very tempting now that the price dropped.
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I laugh at you.
Im not really surprised by nVIDIA recent series of moves. They aren't the type of company to sit idle. They have currently roughly 800million cash + further 800million in short term investments, meaning that they can aggressively go ahead with the price war.
Not weird at all, it's a port of a 360 game. If you saw MGS4 ported to the PC you would likely see a comparable edge for nV's parts(SplinterCell on the PC, while it performed OK on ATi hardware looked like crap in comparison due to the title's XBox routes and hand tuned nV code).
Said another way, they could buy up over half of AMD as a whole just using liquidity. nV is on a very different financial level then AMD.
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I laugh at you.
Im not really surprised by nVIDIA recent series of moves. They aren't the type of company to sit idle. They have currently roughly 800million cash + further 800million in short term investments, meaning that they can aggressively go ahead with the price war.
Uhm... nvidia was OVERCHARGING. Trying to take advantage of their customers. If AMD wasn't around we'd be getting bent over left and right by nvidia.
AMD took the initiative to introduce higher performing parts for CHEAPER prices. It's a good thing nvidia isn't completely blinded by their ego and are now finally tagging along.
So you would also agree that ATi was bending customers over with the 3870 and 3850 until nVidia forced them to lower the price?
This kind of talk is foolish, a company needs to make money to survive long term, the more money they make, the longer they assure they can continue to compete.
Edit- BTW- 8800GT in SLI still beats either one of these solutions for less money. Yes, nVidia is now competitive in the $300 space, just the $300 space has been getting beaten handily by the $260 space for a while now
I've ordered a GTX260 from step up which only cost me $80. I'm also getting my HD4870 today. I'm planning on selling the GTX260 on ebay for at least $300+.
Do you guys think it would be better to keep the GTX260 and sell the HD4870 now?
Do you guys think it would be better to keep the GTX260 and sell the HD4870 now?
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
So you would also agree that ATi was bending customers over with the 3870 and 3850 until nVidia forced them to lower the price?
This kind of talk is foolish, a company needs to make money to survive long term, the more money they make, the longer they assure they can continue to compete.
Edit- BTW- 8800GT in SLI still beats either one of these solutions for less money. Yes, nVidia is now competitive in the $300 space, just the $300 space has been getting beaten handily by the $260 space for a while now
What the hell are you talking about?
Edit: If you have a SLI capable motherboard, 2xG92 is the way to go IMO. If you're restrained to one slot, and you have $300, go for a 4870.
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