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Now that Bush has won - will the vicious left here in P&N....

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Probably laugh at every turn as America decends into hell over the next 4 years.

Sadly, the problem doesn't appear to be the political party that is in office, but your attitude in general? Why such a bleak, and baseless, outlook?

That's where you're dead wrong. This administration will reap the destruction of the seeds it sowed.

Well, it appears this fine country of ours has nothing to offer to you. Maybe, you should consider seeking citizenship in another country.

Jeebus... check out the threads from a couple hours ago where conservatives were whining about moving to another country if Kerry won... Keep your troll garbage to that thread man...

Well, I've never threatened to leave this country. I love America - regardless of who is President.

America ... Love it, or leave it. 🙂

 
And as for MM, I agree that not everything in his movies are fact, a lot of it is exagerated, but come on, the drug companies are the worst.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I find it funny that Michael Moore just got a boot shoved up his ass too. What will he do - hah. All of his credibility hinged on this election, and he lost. Hopefully he'll retire into has-been-don.

If the conservatives persist in the kind of rubbing-in you've enaged in in this thread, we will find no peace in the next 4 years.

I wanted Sen Kerry to win this election, but it appears he's lost. I am, first and foremost, interested in seeing America succeed, and seeing it be a country I can be proud to live in.

I'd ask that you help that cause, rather than hurting it. I support my President, and I only ask that you support your country, rather than helping draw and quarter it.

We've been cluster fvcked in P&N for months now, it's just nice to win...
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I find it funny that Michael Moore just got a boot shoved up his ass too. What will he do - hah. All of his credibility hinged on this election, and he lost. Hopefully he'll retire into has-been-don.

If the conservatives persist in the kind of rubbing-in you've enaged in in this thread, we will find no peace in the next 4 years.

I wanted Sen Kerry to win this election, but it appears he's lost. I am, first and foremost, interested in seeing America succeed, and seeing it be a country I can be proud to live in.

I'd ask that you help that cause, rather than hurting it. I support my President, and I only ask that you support your country, rather than helping draw and quarter it.

We've been cluster fvcked in P&N for months now, it's just nice to win...

oh nm ... good post donvito
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

We've been cluster fvcked in P&N for months now, it's just nice to win...

You've also owned the Presidency and Congress for years. You've consolidated both advantages today.

As I said, I think it's in the country's best interest not to have unnecessary venom in our political rhetoric. This country is divided as it is, and I want to see us survive and thrive. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking that both sides exhibit a bit of sportsmanship. There is more at stake than our egos.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

We've been cluster fvcked in P&N for months now, it's just nice to win...

You've also owned the Presidency and Congress for years. You've consolidated both advantages today.

As I said, I think it's in the country's best interest not to have unnecessary venom in our political rhetoric. This country is divided as it is, and I want to see us survive and thrive. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking that both sides exhibit a bit of sportsmanship. There is more at stake than our egos.

DonVito, I admire your sentiments and I think it's best to keep a modicrum of civility in this forum for the sake of discussion (and yes I know lots of people don't think I help), but in terms of the national landscape, I don't think you can heal this wound or bridge this gap. The divisions are simply too great. This election showed me it's not about poverty, strategy in iraq, it's about religion and social values. The values of both side are simply too different don't you think?
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I find it funny that Michael Moore just got a boot shoved up his ass too. What will he do - hah. All of his credibility hinged on this election, and he lost. Hopefully he'll retire into has-been-don.

If the conservatives persist in the kind of rubbing-in you've enaged in in this thread, we will find no peace in the next 4 years.

I wanted Sen Kerry to win this election, but it appears he's lost. I am, first and foremost, interested in seeing America succeed, and seeing it be a country I can be proud to live in.

I'd ask that you help that cause, rather than hurting it. I support my President, and I only ask that you support your country, rather than helping draw and quarter it.

We've been cluster fvcked in P&N for months now, it's just nice to win...

Apparently that involves personal attacks and rubbing it in... You don't care about winning. You care about satisfying your fountain of hatred.

Do you think that it would have been any better had Kerry won? Considering that the majority of the regular posters here lean to the left, this please would have been a liberal circle-jerk of Guinness book proportions.

 
Originally posted by: rbloedow'
Do you think that it would have been any better had Kerry won? Considering that the majority of the regular posters here lean to the left, this please would have been a liberal circle-jerk of Guinness book proportions.
See my edit.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

We've been cluster fvcked in P&N for months now, it's just nice to win...

You've also owned the Presidency and Congress for years. You've consolidated both advantages today.

As I said, I think it's in the country's best interest not to have unnecessary venom in our political rhetoric. This country is divided as it is, and I want to see us survive and thrive. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking that both sides exhibit a bit of sportsmanship. There is more at stake than our egos.

B.S. This forum has been a bastion of liberals and Bush-haters for too long. They deserve a good old-fashioned drubbing for their ignorant ways.

The contested 2000 election gave them a foothold. This loss shows them to be the deluded idiots we knew them to be.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk

DonVito, I admire your sentiments and I think it's best to keep a modicrum of civility in this forum for the sake of discussion (and yes I know lots of people don't think I help), but in terms of the national landscape, I don't think you can heal this wound or bridge this gap. The divisions are simply too great. This election showed me it's not about poverty, strategy in iraq, it's about religion and social values. The values of both side are simply too different don't you think?

Maybe. Hell, probably.

The thing is, I think we're dangerously close to a real crisis. I'm talking about a real, violent insurrection. I don't want that, at all.

I am very frustrated by the course our nation has taken, and I think there's a real risk that the next four years will be ruinous for our country.

I don't want any of this. My hope is that we can make it through the next four years (and, for that matter, hundreds of years thereafter) without event, and we can continue to live in a safe and peaceful world.

I think it's paramount we all take a deep breath, look at the long view, and try to be good citizens. There will probably be a time that I'm frustrated with the President, and Congress, in the next four years. For now, though, I hope to see our nation's wounds heal, rather than festering.

Please remember that your political rival is not your enemy. Democrats != al Qaeda, and Republicans !- the Nazi party.

Please, just try to treat one another with respect and decency. It will help us all over the long haul.
 
Originally posted by: Crazyfool

B.S. This forum has been a bastion of liberals and Bush-haters for too long. They deserve a good old-fashioned drubbing for their ignorant ways.

The contested 2000 election gave them a foothold. This loss shows them to be the deluded idiots we knew them to be.

Please be a patriot, and don't do this. It's stupid. You are losing sight of the forest for the trees, and beating up excessively on your political rivals will just mean that, at best, you are king of a crappy, watered-down version of America.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito


The thing is, I think we're dangerously close to a real crisis. I'm talking about a real, violent insurrection. I don't want that, at all.

I agree, but I'm not quite sure it will get violent... At the same time the rhetoric and non-violent hostility will get worse IMO
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Like I told someone else, an election doesn't determine right or wrong it determines who has power. Anything else is an appeal to popularity. Bush is still wrong about Iraq. Religious zealots are still a danger to this society...

well said.
 
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I find it funny that Michael Moore just got a boot shoved up his ass too. What will he do - hah. All of his credibility hinged on this election, and he lost. Hopefully he'll retire into has-been-don.

What are you talking about, son? True, Michael Moore was a bit extreme...but I think he has more credibility than Bush and his lover boy Rowe. Give me a break.
 
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I find it funny that Michael Moore just got a boot shoved up his ass too. What will he do - hah. All of his credibility hinged on this election, and he lost. Hopefully he'll retire into has-been-don.

What are you talking about, son? True, Michael Moore was a bit extreme...but I think he has more credibility than Bush and his lover boy Rowe. Give me a break.

A bit?
 
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I find it funny that Michael Moore just got a boot shoved up his ass too. What will he do - hah. All of his credibility hinged on this election, and he lost. Hopefully he'll retire into has-been-don.

What are you talking about, son? True, Michael Moore was a bit extreme...but I think he has more credibility than Bush and his lover boy Rowe. Give me a break.

A bit?

Okay, okay, he's very extreme 😉
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
DV, browse the names that are supporting this movement: Nov3.US and look @ the tactics they've already planned out.

There's a difference between wanting to ensure the election is conducted fairly, and mean-spirited rubbing-in by the winning party.

FWIW, I believe President Bush has probably won this election, but I thought VP Gore's legal actions in 2000 were appropriate and justified.

The site you've linked suggests silly but, I think, legitimate civil disobedience if there appears to be balloting fraud. I don't think that's an especially productive activity, but I see it as quite different from the kind of bullying that this board's conservatives seem to be rubbing their hands in anticipation of.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
DV, browse the names that are supporting this movement: Nov3.US and look @ the tactics they've already planned out.

There's a difference between wanting to ensure the election is conducted fairly, and mean-spirited rubbing-in by the winning party.

FWIW, I believe President Bush has probably won this election, but I thought VP Gore's legal actions in 2000 were appropriate and justified.

The site you've linked suggests silly but, I think, legitimate civil disobedience if there appears to be balloting fraud. I don't think that's an especially productive activity, but I see it as quite different from the kind of bullying that this board's conservatives seem to be rubbing their hands in anticipation of.

That's not the only radical "democratic" site out there. Check the forums at democraticunderground.org(not a small forum). I have seen people there suggest that our President needed to be killed and that Saddam Hussein was some sort of nice guy. The darkside of the democratic party is very very dark... I know of nothing like this associated with the republican party.

Bad losers will always be bad losers.

 
Originally posted by: Crazyfool

That's not the only radical "democratic" site out there. Check the forums at democraticunderground.org(not a small forum). I have seen people there suggest that our President needed to be killed and that Saddam Hussein was some sort of nice guy. The darkside of the democratic party is very very dark... I know of nothing like this associated with the republican party.

Bad losers will always be bad losers.

Of course they will. Bad winners will also always be bad winners. I completely fail to see how any of that justifies any Republican in gratuitously picking on Democrats, or vice versa.

I want us all to be civilized people. That's all. This country has experienced enough division - at least we can limit it to REAL differences on real issues, as opposed to pointless insults and negativism.

I really, truly fear for the country I serve. I don't want anyone, regardless of their party affiliation, to needlessly marginalize or insult his or her political rival. This is the wrong time for it (if there's ever a right time).
 
W hasn't won yet, but if he does in ~2 weeks...I'll do everything I can to make sure I don't get fvcked by any of his policies. My plan is proceeding to make as much money as possible investing so I can give up my U.S. citizenship BEFORE taxes go sky high in an attempt to pay back the national debt.

Or...I'll have to really jam in my ROTH account so I don't have to ever pay tax on my gains.

Either way...all you suckers out there who think Bush and the repubs are great AND don't have the $$$ AND the plan will help pay back W's debt while I'm in the islands on vacation for 6 months out of the year (i.e., I've heard that non-U.S citizens can easily stay in the country for 6 months out of the year).

My advice to you all...save, save, save and reduce debt while you still have a job because hard times are coming (note...they'll still be coming if Kerry is elected, but the damage would be less with Kerry).

A LOT of pain is actually going to be good for the U.S. over the long run (8-10 years) because repubs will have a very hard time keeping the power they have now (i.e., the more people get fvcked under a repub controlled government, the more likely they'll open up their eyes for the next 3-4 elections and vote all the rotten repubs out of office).



 
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