Now Solar power is out with the radical left.

[Fear No Evil]

Solar Panels

Ok.. so coal is out, too dirty.. oil is out, too dirty.. wind is out.. kills the birds.. nuclear is out.. too dangerous.. and now, solar panels.. kills the aethetics of the desert..

Whats left? Magic Pixie Dust? Is there a magic pixie dust station somewhere I can fill up my gas tank with? Or would that put the endangered pixie at risk?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Solar Panels

Ok.. so coal is out, too dirty.. oil is out, too dirty.. wind is out.. kills the birds.. nuclear is out.. too dangerous.. and now, solar panels.. kills the aethetics of the desert..

Whats left? Magic Pixie Dust? Is there a magic pixie dust station somewhere I can fill up my gas tank with? Or would that put the endangered pixie at risk?

Don't forget they are against hydro too.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

NIMBY

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
NIMBY

Its not NIMBY when it comes to wind.

Those that lease their land to companies to put windmills on their land make pretty good money.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
NIMBY

Try BANANAs

Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.

 

[MovingTarget]

Maybe so, but everyone but the looney left still thinks that solar is a good idea, which includes most lefties. You can't please everybody.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
NIMBY

Build a nuke plant in my back yard, could always go for cheaper power and jobs. Shame most of my neighbors would be against it out of fear of another three mile island.

 

[frostedflakes]

Feinstein can go eff herself, there's plenty of desert in Nevada and Arizona to install solar on. Put them there and don't sell any of the electricity to California.

 

[imported_K3N]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
NIMBY

Build a nuke plant in my back yard, could always go for cheaper power and jobs. Shame most of my neighbors would be against it out of fear of another three mile island.

3 mile island.. an orchestrated event to bad mouth cost efficient nuclear energy and preserve anglo american dominance in the coal industry and promote reactionary Luddite thinking.

 

[frostedflakes]

Just out of curiosity, what *isn't* a conspiracy among you folks? :laugh:

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: K3N
3 mile island.. an orchestrated event to bad mouth cost efficient nuclear energy and preserve anglo american dominance in the coal industry and promote reactionary Luddite thinking.

Really? I was thinking it was poor design of a nuclear reactor.


As for the OP, this certainly is a fascinating statement. Do we merely rebuff Feinstein as an out of touch radical, or is she voicing a semi popular position among the people? Does the Democratic Party hold her view?

As for the prospect of solar energy dotting the landscape. Well, there is a finite demand for energy so it would be possible to preserve SOME land for nature. Perhaps the Senator is, without acknowledging it, admitting that population growth is actually the problem. Not that she?d ever support stopping our population growth, or stopping the influx of illegal aliens or other immigrants.

It is ironic that she would complain about energy needs while also demanding that we accept more people into this nation. What, does she think energy demand does not rise with our population?

The FIRST thing these hypocrites should do is promote measures to slow down or stop our population growth. Failure to do that renders ALL other environmental measures pointless. If you thought 300 million people destroyed the environment, wait until your policy gives us 600 million.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: K3N

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
NIMBY

Build a nuke plant in my back yard, could always go for cheaper power and jobs. Shame most of my neighbors would be against it out of fear of another three mile island.

3 mile island.. an orchestrated event to bad mouth cost efficient nuclear energy and preserve anglo american dominance in the coal industry and promote reactionary Luddite thinking.

that's it, i'm convinced you're a parody poster.

 

[DaveSimmons]

but Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Friday such development would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public.

Honor the wishes of conservationists who donated the land to keep it unspoiled? How un-American!

We need to burn down the national parks and set up wind farms in the charred open spaces, it's the only way to be sure.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

but Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Friday such development would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public.

Honor the wishes of conservationists who donated the land to keep it unspoiled? How un-American!

We need to burn down the national parks and set up wind farms in the charred open spaces, it's the only way to be sure.

Then don't bitch about oil drilling in the gulf or ANWR.

I can see a legitimate complaint with wind farms as they can cause noise issues. But solar power? The panels just sit there in the sun. No moving parts to hurt animals, no leaking oil, no radioactive waste... what is to hate? Ahh the panoramic vistas for 10 people will be spoiled.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Solar roof tiles and siding anyone?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

but Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Friday such development would violate the spirit of what conservationists had intended when they donated much of the land to the public.

Honor the wishes of conservationists who donated the land to keep it unspoiled? How un-American!

We need to burn down the national parks and set up wind farms in the charred open spaces, it's the only way to be sure.

Then don't bitch about oil drilling in the gulf or ANWR.

I can see a legitimate complaint with wind farms as they can cause noise issues. But solar power? The panels just sit there in the sun. No moving parts to hurt animals, no leaking oil, no radioactive waste... what is to hate? Ahh the panoramic vistas for 10 people will be spoiled.

You're ignoring that this land that she's objecting to using was donated to keep it unspoiled, not covered with solar panels.

ANWR = Wildlife Reserve. Even if you trust Exxon (Valdez) to safely drill there keeping it unspoiled then that's still a different situation from land that was supposed to be left alone until the Bush admin unilaterally "re-zoned" it for anything except mining.

When you're donating money to a charity, do you mind if they turn around and spend it on something completely different? If your parents are still alive, do you mind if Obama seizes their estate when they die?

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Solar roof tiles and siding anyone?

Would love some, but it would take 20 years to make up the cost of installing them.

Plus solar panels will have to take up 200 square miles to do what one nuclear plant could do in 1/3 of a square mile. And then there is the highly toxic way they are made. Go Nuke!!

 

[boomerang]

Reading between the lines, I'd say Feinstein hasn't gotten her payoff yet. She's gone public to hasten the flow of cash. The companies that want to do the development work are probably balking. She's just let them know that she was serious.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Maybe so, but everyone but the looney left still thinks that solar is a good idea, which includes most lefties. You can't please everybody.

Good idea but not a financially viable.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Solar roof tiles and siding anyone?

Would love some, but it would take 20 years to make up the cost of installing them.

Plus solar panels will have to take up 200 square miles to do what one nuclear plant could do in 1/3 of a square mile. And then there is the highly toxic way they are made. Go Nuke!!

As far as the toxicity goes, I think that it applies moreso to photovoltaics than other solar technologies, such as solar thermal (i.e. concentrators). Not all solar is created equal.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Maybe so, but everyone but the looney left still thinks that solar is a good idea, which includes most lefties. You can't please everybody.

Good idea but not a financially viable.

Not necessarily. If the land is cheap enough, solar towers have proven themselves to be financially viable. Look at our own Solar 2 prototype plant and the ones going up over in Spain. There are also solar technologies on a smaller scale (say, water heaters) that pay off quite a bit over time. Large scale photovoltaic plants may not be economically viable yet, but that isn't true for solar in general.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Topic Title: Now Solar power is out with the radical left.

Ok.. so coal is out, too dirty.. oil is out, too dirty.. wind is out.. kills the birds.. nuclear is out.. too dangerous.. and now, solar panels.. kills the aethetics of the desert..

Sheesh!!! How you get that bullshit from the article is beyond reality. I noticed you were too chicken to quote from the article, which says NOTHING about the dreaded "left" or abandoning solar power. The question is about how to protect environmentally sensitive wildlands when planning for the location of new solar production facilities. The key paragraphs:

Douglas said that if the national monument lines were drawn without consideration of renewable energy then a conflict was likely, but it's early enough in the planning process that she's confident the state will be able to get more solar and wind projects up and running without hurting the environment.

"We think we can do both," Douglas said. "We think this is an opportunity to accelerate both."

Your title and your entire post are a crock! :thumbsdown:

Whats left? Magic Pixie Dust?[/quote]

Is that what you're smoking? :shocked:

Originally posted by: K3N

3 mile island.. an orchestrated event to bad mouth cost efficient nuclear energy and preserve anglo american dominance in the coal industry and promote reactionary Luddite thinking.

Another lying tinfoil beany tard opens his mouth to change feet.

Three Mile Island accident

The Three Mile Island accident of 1979 was a partial core meltdown in Unit 2 (a pressurized water reactor manufactured by Babcock & Wilcox) of the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania near Harrisburg. It was the most significant accident in the history of the American commercial nuclear power generating industry, resulting in the release of an estimated 43,000 curies (1.59 PBq) of radioactive krypton, but less than 20 curies (740 GBq) of the particularly hazardous iodine-131

Various analyses after the fact concluded that this event caused no significant increase in health problems among nearby residents. The good news is, they were lucky... that time. The other side of the same coin was the disaster at Chernobyl, which is not the only recorded incident of serious accidental radiological contamination from nuclear power facilities.

Maybe you'd like to live next to a faulty nuke plant for a few years, after which you'd never have to wonder about your next job. If the plant leaked, you could always get a job as a night light. :light:

Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

Would love some, but it would take 20 years to make up the cost of installing them.

Solar power generation is a relatively young area of scientific research, and conversion efficiency is quickly rising, and conversion to electricity is not the only means to utilize solar power.

UALR Nano Team Tackles Solar Energy

updated 2:46 p.m. PT, Wed., March. 18, 2009

Researchers at UALR report they have developed a process involving nanostructure that shows great promise in boosting the efficiency of titania photoanodes used to convert solar energy into hydrogen in fuel cells.

Hydrogen, the third most abundant element on earths surface, has long been recognized as the ultimate alternative to fossil fuels as an energy carrier.

Automobiles using hydrogen directly or in fuel cells have already been developed, but the biggest challenge has been how to produce hydrogen using renewable sources of energy.

Scientists in Japan discovered in 1970 that semiconductor oxide photoanodes can harness the photons from solar radiation and used them to split a water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen, but process was too inefficient to be viable.

The UALR team, working with researchers at the University of Nevada, Reno, and supported by the U.S. Department of Energy and the Arkansas Science and Technology Authority (ASTA), has reported an 80-percent increase in efficiency with a new process.
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The above is just one example of recent articles I've seen about both increased conversion efficiency and better means of storing power derived from solar sources. Beyond that, concentrated power generation sources are only one business model. Another currently in use is co-generation where each house/building/facility has its own solar panels. Any power not used by the building is fed back to the common power pool on the grid, and the meter runs both ways, reducing the power bill for the building generating excess power.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: K3N

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
NIMBY

Build a nuke plant in my back yard, could always go for cheaper power and jobs. Shame most of my neighbors would be against it out of fear of another three mile island.

3 mile island.. an orchestrated event to bad mouth cost efficient nuclear energy and preserve anglo american dominance in the coal industry and promote reactionary Luddite thinking.

Im with Mike on this one. Although it is entertaining as hell, so keep it up.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Three Mile Island accident

The Three Mile Island accident of 1979 was a partial core meltdown in Unit 2 (a pressurized water reactor manufactured by Babcock & Wilcox) of the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania near Harrisburg. It was the most significant accident in the history of the American commercial nuclear power generating industry, resulting in the release of an estimated 43,000 curies (1.59 PBq) of radioactive krypton, but less than 20 curies (740 GBq) of the particularly hazardous iodine-131

Various analyses after the fact concluded that this event caused no significant increase in health problems among nearby residents. The good news is, they were lucky... that time. The other side of the same coin was the disaster at Chernobyl, which is not the only recorded incident of serious accidental radiological contamination from nuclear power facilities.

Maybe you'd like to live next to a faulty nuke plant for a few years, after which you'd never have to wonder about your next job. If the plant leaked, you could always get a job as a night light.

.

It'd be impossible for a Chernobyl type accident to happen in a new US plant. Such a design would never get approval by the NRC.

You can cause a nuclear reaction by dropping a brick, and it gets exposure as a criticality accident by the media.

3 mile island was user error and confusing error indicators. The design is around 50 years old. Some progress has been made...

 

[Sacrilege]

So conservationists who donated land to remain pristine are now the radical left?