Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire

[Luna1968]

Too Soon???

 

[K1052]

Okay, I was looking at the gables.

Now that pics are starting to emerge it looks like part of the transept vault did fail but fortunately not close enough to the window to drop a pile of burning roof timber directly in front that might have destroyed it. A narrow escape.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump didn't say anything self-serving. The truth is that with people like you it is all about Trump. Everything.

Yeh, it's like raking the forests, right? It's the usual Trump telling us he's smarter than everybody else by showing that he's dumber. Anything to draw attention to himself.

 

[Commodus]

Yea, but three of those are liberal AT P&N'ers, that means emotional thinking haters.

Trump shits his pants if someone says something mean about him on SNL.

 

[theeedude]

IM Pei is still alive, maybe he can design a new glass roof for it. But best hurry, he's 101.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump shits his pants if someone says something mean about him on SNL.

I'd love to participate in a locked cage event with Trump for the purpose of rebuilding the cathedral, purely for charitable purposes of course.

How about a debate with two out of three fails, and those based on ascertained and sourced facts. He and I could fact check any point at any time. Be a long day but ultimately he'd have to lose as this is "no holds barred". He could insult me as he likes and I could dare him to drop his pants and have a dick off.

 

[Oyeve]

I wonder how much lead vapor is in the air. I assume theres a lot of toxic stuff in that old church. Lead being very common from that era.

 

[K1052]

I wonder how much lead vapor is in the air. I assume theres a lot of toxic stuff in that old church. Lead being very common from that era.

The spire was supposedly oak covered in lead and I presume seams in the roof were sealed with it too so yea probably a lot.

 

[Vic]

But he is not an average person. He is the President of the United States and what he says has an impact well beyond that of an average person. If he can't be trusted to use that power wisely then he has no right to wield it.

How dare you hate the President so much that you would hold any person elected to that office to a higher standard than you would an average person! /s

 

[Vic]

Now that pics are starting to emerge it looks like part of the transept vault did fail but fortunately not close enough to the window to drop a pile of burning roof timber directly in front that might have destroyed it. A narrow escape.

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This is a terrible cultural tragedy for the French people, and the whole world, but I am thankful that the damage is not as bad as it could have been.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Funny how Trumps supporters don't want anyone to comment on what Trump says and tweets. If Little Donnie Fail-Fail wants to act like an expert on everything! and says something dumb, he's gonna get people commenting on it. ... Marcon should have tweeted back "Mr. President: you are a fucking moron. Pardon my French.".

I'm surprised Trump didn't tweet out - "this is really going to have a negative impact on the Notre Dame college football season, so sad!, If they had just acted quickly."

 

[VRAMdemon]

Very happy to know that the stained glasses, and in particular the main front one have survived, contrarily to what was said last night. Nothing can last forever. It is a tragedy to lose what was there, but I am certain that whatever they build, it will also be beautiful and people will be able to enjoy it

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So far about $650M has been pledged so far, but to remake the Cathedral as historically accurate as possible will likely take a century and many billions of dollars. People will need to learn skills that died off long ago. How many masons are expert on something like this, or carpenters? There will have to be a lot of research and training before reconstruction and acquisition of materials that aren't used anymore.

 

[IronWing]

So far about $650M has been pledged so far, but to remake the Cathedral as historically accurate as possible will likely take a century and many billions of dollars. People will need to learn skills that died off long ago. How many masons are expert on something like this, or carpenters? There will have to be a lot of research and training before reconstruction and acquisition of materials that aren't used anymore.

St. Patrick's cathedral in New York City started a stone masonry apprenticeship program back in the 80s in order to train the masons needed to restore the cathedral. The Church brought in master stone masons from Europe to train local masons on the techniques needed for the restoration. I don't know if the program still exists. It would be cool if the masons trained under that program could return the favor.

 

[pmv]

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person sad to see the damage to such a historical building and was hoping something could be done to mitigate the damage before it became so far advanced. That's it, that's all. But, that doesn't stop the hate machine, spin my little TDS NPC's, spin it!

He sounded like an 'average person'. Arguably (perhaps slightly below average). But then he's not supposed to be an 'average person', the sort who might post on this forum (or OT - that's probably more his level ).

He's supposed to be President and hence, you know, be all Presidential'n'stuff.

It wasn't the dumbest thing he's ever said, but, sometimes it's as if Obama took to posting on here and getting into angry spats with the regulars about passive smoking. At some point it's surely beneath a President's dignity to just burble on like someone who doesn't have entire intelligence agencies and elite academic advisors on tap or the potential to fire nuclear missiles?

 

[Jhhnn]

So far about $650M has been pledged so far, but to remake the Cathedral as historically accurate as possible will likely take a century and many billions of dollars. People will need to learn skills that died off long ago. How many masons are expert on something like this, or carpenters? There will have to be a lot of research and training before reconstruction and acquisition of materials that aren't used anymore.

They'd be smart to rebuild the roof w/ steel trusses & other non-flammable materials, same with the spire. The original appearance can be preserved in the process.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They'd be smart to rebuild the roof w/ steel trusses & other non-flammable materials, same with the spire. The original appearance can be preserved in the process.

That's a good idea in that some things can be improved and should. My concern is the modern mindset of making things to last for a little while with the expectation that they be knocked down for something else over and over. The Cathedral was built to last for centuries or more. That needs to be part of the construction parameters. If it's going to break in half a hundred years or even twice that it's not nearly good enough. Hell, in a century the homes still standing will likely be the ones made a hundred years or more before now.

 

[hal2kilo]

I wonder how much lead vapor is in the air. I assume theres a lot of toxic stuff in that old church. Lead being very common from that era.

I was wondering that myself. Those roofs have lead shingles (in the tons). From what I could tell they were melting away when the fire got to them. Probably a lot of splashed lead inside. I would assume that there was an incredible amount of lead vapor dispersed over the whole site. In this day and age it could be a big problem with the clean up.

 

[zinfamous]

Yea, but three of those are liberal AT P&N'ers, that means emotional thinking haters.

Here's my rational response:

Go fuck yourself with a carton of Camels.

 

[zinfamous]

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person !

vote for an average person, expect no better than average.

remind us, again, why is it that you daily worship this shit clown?

 

[Jhhnn]

That's a good idea in that some things can be improved and should. My concern is the modern mindset of making things to last for a little while with the expectation that they be knocked down for something else over and over. The Cathedral was built to last for centuries or more. That needs to be part of the construction parameters. If it's going to break in half a hundred years or even twice that it's not nearly good enough. Hell, in a century the homes still standing will likely be the ones made a hundred years or more before now.

I think your concerns are misplaced. If anything, there's an opportunity to rebuild in a way that will require less maintenance in the centuries to come.

 

[hal2kilo]

I think your concerns are misplaced. If anything, there's an opportunity to rebuild in a way that will require less maintenance in the centuries to come.

It's a quandary. The purists will want everything recreated, with all the old building techniques. This would be a boon to true artisans of all of the trades, but extremely expensive and time consuming. On the other hand it would be interesting to see what modern construction techniques can be applied without it being obvious.

 

[K1052]

I think your concerns are misplaced. If anything, there's an opportunity to rebuild in a way that will require less maintenance in the centuries to come.

Yes, timber was used as the support system for the gable because nothing else was an option at the time. I'll take a galvanized then coated steel truss system over timber any day of the week. It will last centuries with little care.

 

[Genx87]

The Germans rebuilt many of their old iconic buildings after WWII. It took a couple decades but it was accomplished. I suspect they can get this rebuilt within a decade. Most likely with modern materials that can look like the old world.

I am happy it appears the stone is mostly intact. Quite a bit of the structure survived.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's a quandary. The purists will want everything recreated, with all the old building techniques. This would be a boon to true artisans of all of the trades, but extremely expensive and time consuming. On the other hand it would be interesting to see what modern construction techniques can be applied without it being obvious.

Get a big 3D printer!