Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris on Fire

[Jhhnn]

Damn the far right is really going off on this trying to blame immigration/muslims. Just a small collection in this thread.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1117860027954597888

Well, you know, some people are saying...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This place is a place of peace, a place of worship, a place of awe and wonder. I am in no way religious in any way, however, my respect for this architectural masterpiece is beyond measure.
I hope they can restore it. I believe I heard they were able to transport a lot of the art (pbs news had an expert of something pertaining to that building, just not recalling her title) And she said that they were able to get a lot of the art out. I haven't reread this thread in a while, did they save the Rose? Either of them?

 

[IronWing]

Both roses appear to be gone. Most footage showed the smaller rose gone and NPR's site has a picture of flames coming through the larger rose.

 

[K1052]

Both roses appear to be gone. Most footage showed the smaller rose gone and NPR's site has a picture of flames coming through the larger rose.

The big rose seems to be still intact from what I’ve seen. The vaulted stone ceiling appears to have held in the transept. Smaller roses in the gables definitely bought it though.

 

[IronWing]

The big rose seems to be still intact from what I’ve seen. The vaulted stone ceiling appears to have held in the transept. Smaller roses in the gables definitely bought it though.

Okay, I was looking at the gables.

 

[pmv]

So it looks as if the basic structure will survive? I wonder to what extent it will still be the same building if and when they repair/restore it?

I suppose it's premature, but I wonder if there will be a debate to be had about exactly how far to restore it before it becomes something different to what it was?

 

[TheVrolok]

So it looks as if the basic structure will survive? I wonder to what extent it will still be the same building if and when they repair/restore it?

I suppose it's premature, but I wonder if there will be a debate to be had about exactly how far to restore it before it becomes something different to what it was?

One day it may make an interesting documentary.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Inside the cathedral and first photos this morning.

It looks like a lot of the stone ceiling survived, so the damage to the interior isn't as bad as it could have been.

The wooden roof, which burned so quickly, covers a stone vault over the interior. The photos show that sections of the stone vault fell, but there is still a lot intact, which protected a lot of the interior. In fact stone vaults were introduced as a fire-safety measure in the original medieval construction.

Still looks like there's glass in the North Rose Window. Or possibly the South, I can't tell which side that's taken from.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Thanks to the hard work of Dr. Andrew Tallon, Paris officials might be able to use 3D models of Notre Dame to eventually restore the landmark to its original glory. Tallon created a digital archive of the building in 2015 by using laser scanning technology. He has used this tech to do the same for numerous other Gothic cathedrals throughout the world...

Tallon's scans are so accurate that he may have discovered why some of Notre Dame's pillars don't line up: apparently, they could have been originally built around existing structures, which gives us some interesting insight into the building's past. Whether or not Tallon's work will be made available to future Paris restoration professionals remains to be seen, as he tragically passed away in 2018.

https://www.techspot.com/news/79667-...d-digital.html

He was a professor at Vassar College so they may have the records ..

 

[SlowSpyder]

Trump. It's all about him. Everything.

Trump didn't say anything self-serving. The truth is that with people like you it is all about Trump. Everything.

 

[Genx87]

People ask how this could had started? Well there are hundreds of candles lit throughout the building. All it takes is a mistake for one of these to be tipped over or a few at a time to set it off.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This could be a moment of greatness too.
Loss of all the old wood & it’s detail is sad, it would be wonderful if all the best tradesmen in the world came together to rebuild it all with modern comfort & safety blended with classical detail & beauty and they build it to last hundreds of years.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This could be a moment of greatness too.
Loss of all the old wood & it’s detail is sad, it would be wonderful if all the best tradesmen in the world came together to rebuild it all with modern comfort & safety blended with classical detail & beauty and they build it to last hundreds of years.

There has already been hundreds of millions pledged from private donors to rebuild.

$450 million so far.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/busi...ernard-arnault-notre-dame-donation/index.html

 

[FerrelGeek]

Whatever thread sheriff.

Dude, it was just a suggestion. Unbunch your knickers and let your tiny balls breathe.

 

[Commodus]

Trump didn't say anything self-serving. The truth is that with people like you it is all about Trump. Everything.

Says the man who worships at Trump's feet and literally considers him infallible.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump didn't say anything self-serving. The truth is that with people like you it is all about Trump. Everything.

Perhaps not self-serving. Harmful and ignorant yes. At times bordering on insanity sure, hateful and vile often, but not always self-serving.

He'res a good one. His father was born in Germany and that wasn't self-serving. But having his lawyers threaten accountants for complying with the law? That's self-serving and in itself grounds for impeachment and removal but of course he could shoot people in the street and his supporters would be fine with it. We know Individual 1 broke the law but being imperious and in control of those who can hold him legally accountable combined with those who like that here and in Congress he is indeed the Tzar of all Americas, you peasant.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Trump didn't say anything self-serving. The truth is that with people like you it is all about Trump. Everything.

Depends how you look at it. His act fast! and maybe there should be some sort of plane to dump water on it...

These words are completely useless & dumb. There are no point to them. They are words a child would use and an attempt to be part of the solution.

Think about it, minimal condolences were offered and ignoring all professional opinions about dropping tons of water on an old structure being a bad thing to do. No such plane exists for that role and the Forrest fighting planes weren’t filled and ready. Even if dropping tons of water on the building was the best thing to do it was not an option at that point in time.

Silly useless advice is all that was offered. Reminds me of that person in the office who always gave useless advice, like you don’t have hot water at home because your water heater broke and they say “you should have replaced it sooner”.....no shit, I should have replaced something before it broke. Great advice!


This is all I’m going to say about the matter. Trumps words were dumb but that’s all.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Says the man who worships at Trump's feet and literally considers him infallible.

Perhaps not self-serving. Harmful and ignorant yes. At times bordering on insanity sure, hateful and vile often, but not always self-serving.

He'res a good one. His father was born in Germany and that wasn't self-serving. But having his lawyers threaten accountants for complying with the law? That's self-serving and in itself grounds for impeachment and removal but of course he could shoot people in the street and his supporters would be fine with it. We know Individual 1 broke the law but being imperious and in control of those who can hold him legally accountable combined with those who like that here and in Congress he is indeed the Tzar of all Americas, you peasant.

Depends how you look at it. His act fast! and maybe there should be some sort of plane to dump water on it...

These words are completely useless & dumb. There are no point to them. They are words a child would use and an attempt to be part of the solution.

Think about it, minimal condolences were offered and ignoring all professional opinions about dropping tons of water on an old structure being a bad thing to do. No such plane exists for that role and the Forrest fighting planes weren’t filled and ready. Even if dropping tons of water on the building was the best thing to do it was not an option at that point in time.

Silly useless advice is all that was offered. Reminds me of that person in the office who always gave useless advice, like you don’t have hot water at home because your water heater broke and they say “you should have replaced it sooner”.....no shit, I should have replaced something before it broke. Great advice!


This is all I’m going to say about the matter. Trumps words were dumb but that’s all.

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person sad to see the damage to such a historical building and was hoping something could be done to mitigate the damage before it became so far advanced. That's it, that's all. But, that doesn't stop the hate machine, spin my little TDS NPC's, spin it!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person sad to see the damage to such a historical building and was hoping something could be done to mitigate the damage before it became so far advanced. That's it, that's all. But, that doesn't stop the hate machine, spin my little TDS NPC's, spin it!

No, it sounded like someone in a position of power saying something ignorant and idiotic in an attempt to sound much smarter than he actually is, just like he always does. He doesn't know how to keep his dumbshit mouth shut about things he has no clue about (not that he's introspective enough to actually know what he doesn't know).

I'm glad the bulk of the cathedral survived, and I'm glad there's some people with money willing to provide actual solutions to this problem.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person sad to see the damage to such a historical building and was hoping something could be done to mitigate the damage before it became so far advanced. That's it, that's all. But, that doesn't stop the hate machine, spin my little TDS NPC's, spin it!

it appears three of four do not agree. The President should should know he is not good at expressing sympathy and be man enough to take suggestions on what words he uses.

 

[SlowSpyder]

it appears three of four do not agree. The President should should know he is not good at expressing sympathy and be man enough to take suggestions on what words he uses.

Yea, but three of those are liberal AT P&N'ers, that means emotional thinking haters.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yea, but three of those are liberal AT P&N'ers, that means emotional thinking haters.

It's interesting that you are unable to respond to factual statements but leave truth to attack. That you hate the truth isn't our fault, it's just sad.

You quote me so why don't you take all my points and provide concrete proof of them being wrong. You are given objective examples. Let's see you say they never happened and back that up.

Go.

"You liberal haters" and the like won't do, nor will Hillary, nor Obama either.

So let's pick a few things. Trump's father is born in Germany, Trump's lawyers threaten those who are legally compelled to comply with the law, and Individual 1 AKA Trump being called out as directing a felony by the court in Cohen's case which you ought to know is a crime in itself but for the time being the DOJ will not charge a sitting President for a crime while in office so "was he arrested or charged" is a specious argument.

So which did not happen? Don't weasel out now. I wouldn't have accepted this from any person in Office, but you have, and that makes you the least objective here.

 

[realibrad]

People ask how this could had started? Well there are hundreds of candles lit throughout the building. All it takes is a mistake for one of these to be tipped over or a few at a time to set it off.

There was construction going on, and from the pics I saw, it looked more like the fire started around the construction.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person sad to see the damage to such a historical building and was hoping something could be done to mitigate the damage before it became so far advanced. That's it, that's all. But, that doesn't stop the hate machine, spin my little TDS NPC's, spin it!

You failed miserably again. I despise what you represent, the worst side in humanity but in the end, I pity you for being a lesser creation. I'll continue to refute you with facts and you will demonstrate what you are, a cautionary tale, an example of "but for the grace of God go I".h

Edit- But the problem with Trump is that he isn't an average person, he's the Officeholder who is below average, otherwise he would recognize that every statement matters while in that position. An average person would likely realize that speaking in ignorance is never good, never a proper option, but he lives to violate that principle. Displaying great ignorance and foolishness is not a positive however much you disagree. An average person, certainly an average President would not make a statement that displays those qualities but would recognize that he had no part in this at all, but instead suggest stupidity without bothering to even examine if his "solution" was even rational.

This is what you want? Well, you have it.

 

[SMOGZINN]

To me it sounded like Trump was just an average person sad to see the damage to such a historical building and was hoping something could be done to mitigate the damage before it became so far advanced. That's it, that's all. But, that doesn't stop the hate machine, spin my little TDS NPC's, spin it!

But he is not an average person. He is the President of the United States and what he says has an impact well beyond that of an average person. If he can't be trusted to use that power wisely then he has no right to wield it.