Notorious Will Pitt Turns Angrily Against Obamacare

[zinfamous]

Could be, but it doesn't read that way to me. He said "my wife's medication" as though this is a medication she regularly takes, not "the medication a doctor prescribed for my wife" as though she needs it but has not yet begin taking it because they can't afford it. Also, this guy is evidently something of a big deal (not that I had a clue who he is) and has been associated with Truth-out.org for years; I find it hard to believe that he did not have health insurance, let alone access to health care. At the very least, he certainly had health insurance when he was a teacher and I find it hard to believe that he would leave that to be a political agitator if that meant his wife would not get the life saving medication she needs to survive MS. And note that he is not railing against the system, but specifically against Obamacare and Obama.

Beyond all that, does he sound like a guy who is better off? Sounds to me more like a guy who, like so many of us, discovered that Obamacare is more money for worse coverage. If like me Obamacare ended his previous coverage, then he would certainly be more angry than if he had nothing and just didn't get as much as he wanted.

Even if he had healthcare, his wife could have been denied/not covered due to her MS

Progz are truly amazing. Absent any information to support their viewpoint, they manufacture information based on assumptions. Then, they declare them to be the bare knuckled truth.

"Based upon my assumption of that, this must therefore be true. There you go, all wrapped up neat and tidy and you, btw are wrong." Riiiight.

when did I ever say that my assumptions were truth, numbnuts?

 

[werepossum]

I tried doing a bit of research, but between his vile spewings and those of people opposing him I found nothing really definitive before I got tired of it. I will point out that he has been Truth-Out.org's senior editor and lead columnist for years, but it's entirely possible that Truth-Out.org does not provide what they demand employers provide. Still, I fail to see why he would continue without health insurance given his wife's condition.

One more thing to point out, he first attempted to get Obamacare in December 2013. One would think that if he truly did not have health insurance and his wife needed an expensive life-saving medicine, he would have been first in line if he lacked insurance. But perhaps he dislikes his wife.

 

[werepossum]

Even if he had healthcare, his wife could have been denied/not covered due to her MS

SNIP

I suppose, although generally speaking employer plans don't allow exclusions, merely a waiting period at most.

 

[shira]

Where did you find this? I don't see this at the link I provided in the first post. Further, Mr. Pitt's wife has the condition and the use of "my" is possessive. Let's see the link where Mr. Pitt says this or you're just making things up.

Try checking out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

and look at the post "I'm a cancer patient---without ACA I would have NO insurance."

Sorry if you were confused. Everyone with pre-existing conditions, who couldn't get coverage prior to Obamacare, is better off under the ACA. But it sounds like Pitt is less better off than some others, and that may well be because he didn't wisely choose his policy. ALL insurers have formularies, and not all drugs are covered; nothing new about this in the ACA.

Of course, you'll completely disregard those who are very, very happy with the ACA; only those less than 50% satisfied must be included in your posts.

 

[shira]

He's gone from promoting Obamacare to being a raging opponent of it and you can only conclude that he's better off under it?

Man, I hope CSI can make use of your truly amazing deductive skills.


Methinks without looking that Shira is quoting someone commenting on Pitt's post. Setting aside that proggies will rabidly defend it regardless, everyone knows that in any massive government restructuring there will be winners and losers. Mr. Pitt (whomever he is) happens to be a loser with this particular massive government restructuring, whereas the commenter appears to be a winner.

Except that Pitt nowhere states that he his wife's meds where covered before, or even that she had coverage before. Without those details, we cannot properly infer that he's a "loser." In fact, I think he's a winner, but he didn't win as much as he wanted.

In glorious new Amerika, comrade, everyone has right to second rate medicine. Of course, some animals must always be more equal than others, so the elite will continue to qualify for first rate treatment. As far as medications' costs skyrocketing, among corporations even more so than among individuals there will be winners and losers.

 

[shira]

I suppose, although generally speaking employer plans don't allow exclusions, merely a waiting period at most.

If he had access to a employer-provided group plan, then he would be barred from the individual market. And if he formerly had group coverage but his employer dropped coverage, then comparing his old group coverage with his new individual coverage is apples and oranges.

Everyone knows that group plans are much better than individual plans, for the simple reasons that (a) the employer pays the same (relatively high - typically about $5,000 a year for a single person) premium for ALL employees, whether they're 21 or 61, and (b) there's less opting out by healthy people in group plans, since the employee-paid share of the premium is relatively low (thus, the pool of insured people is overall healthier than in the individual market). Young people under ACA individual plans don't subsidize old people to nearly the same extent, and the pool of those in the individual market is typically higher risk.

 

[Nebor]

If your wife has MS and you don't check to see if your insurance plan covers her drug needs, well... Uhmm... Ok? This is something a lot of people might not think about though, which raises the important need to help people shop for their insurance.

Can the government help me shop for groceries too? Because I'm always coming home with the wrong kind of olives.

 

[boomerang]

Try checking out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

and look at the post "I'm a cancer patient---without ACA I would have NO insurance."

<what more than likely were more deceptions removed>

So if I hadn't called out your deception, you'd have been quite happy to have everyone think you'd quoted Will Pitt. I'm not in the slightest surprised.

 

[boomerang]

when did I ever say that my assumptions were truth, numbnuts?

Just playing the same game you do.

 

[boomerang]

I tried doing a bit of research, but between his vile spewings and those of people opposing him I found nothing really definitive before I got tired of it. I will point out that he has been Truth-Out.org's senior editor and lead columnist for years, but it's entirely possible that Truth-Out.org does not provide what they demand employers provide. Still, I fail to see why he would continue without health insurance given his wife's condition.

One more thing to point out, he first attempted to get Obamacare in December 2013. One would think that if he truly did not have health insurance and his wife needed an expensive life-saving medicine, he would have been first in line if he lacked insurance. But perhaps he dislikes his wife.

Your logic does not even remotely dovetail with prog logic and their posts after yours prove it out. Because it does not state anywhere this, therefore that must be true. It brings happy smug looks to their faces because their doublethink has them convinced it's the truth.

 

[zinfamous]

Just playing the same game you do.

Clearly, you aren't. The few mildly-twitching ganglions that you possess limit your capacities beyond thoughts of black & white, or any other direct assertion.

 

[zinfamous]

Can the government help me shop for groceries too? Because I'm always coming home with the wrong kind of olives.

If the Feds nationalized the food industry and directly controlled all distribution, I suppose they would have to, no?

:hmm:

 

[shira]

So if I hadn't called out your deception, you'd have been quite happy to have everyone think you'd quoted Will Pitt. I'm not in the slightest surprised.

As predicted, diverting and evading. Won't acknowledge that the ACA is working just fine for those with pre-existing conditions.