Nothing but more bad news from Iraq.

[jpeyton]

Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
We are currently engaged in the largest military operation since the war began. But you would never know that by watching or reading the MSM.
This helps to explain the jump in deaths.

If you get away from the MSM and read the military blogs and things by others with military experience you see a different story as to what is going on in Iraq.
For the first time in years we have a real strategy to fight the bad guys and we are using it. For the past 3 years or so we have been sitting around and fighting a defensive war. Now we are taking the fight to them.

Whether this will lead to a long term victory is still up in the air, but we are at least trying to move in the right direction.
The general consensus seems to be that the political pressure to stop the war may cut the mission short.
Finally, let me point out again that the bloodiest battle of WW 2 was also the last battle.

Right its the meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedia.

 

[StageLeft]

I don't think the lives are worthless. For the fighters, it's better to die resisting than living under an occupation. It's similar to our creed: Live free or die.

I really don't think lives are respected as much in many parts of the middle east and areas in Africa, for instance, where people are just simply used to having family die and seeing people die, they're just so used to it and if they did value life as much as we seem to, they wouldn't do many of the things they do. The butchery and unadulterated savagery in some parts of the world make it difficult to argue that the butchers have as much a respect for life as people living in strife-free societies do.

Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.

With Dumbya at the helm, don't worry.

 

[Lemon law]

I saw on yahoo news that Malaki is now protesting a US firefight that killed 26 Iraqis. Seems some may have been insurgent gunmen but quite a few were Iraqis caught in the cross fire. And the Maliki charge was indiscriminate US firing at anything. All this is just part of a mini-surge as US troops totally ignorant of the local neighborhood become the new 800 lb. gorilla. And that simple ignorance prevents any discrimination between good and bad.

 

[chucky2]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.</end quote></div>

I sincerely hope you are not an American and saying that...please, please tell us you aren't???

I cannot imagine an American wanting his own side to loose in a war...as loss means loss of life with no gain.

I can understand - but emphatically disagree with you - if you're not an American, if you are though, I'll make a wish you get hit by a bus tomorrow...to disagree with policy is one thing, to wish death on your American soldiers in the hope it's for naught is just totally unacceptable. :thumbsdown:

Chuck

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I saw on yahoo news that Malaki is now protesting a US firefight that killed 26 Iraqis. Seems some may have been insurgent gunmen but quite a few were Iraqis caught in the cross fire. And the Maliki charge was indiscriminate US firing at anything. All this is just part of a mini-surge as US troops totally ignorant of the local neighborhood become the new 800 lb. gorilla. And that simple ignorance prevents any discrimination between good and bad.

Such negativity. If you'd listen to Condi for a second, such events are merely birth pangs of a new democratic republic in Iraq. Get with the program! Stop being a cut & runner!

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: chucky2
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.</end quote></div>

I sincerely hope you are not an American and saying that...please, please tell us you aren't???

I cannot imagine an American wanting his own side to loose in a war...as loss means loss of life with no gain.

I can understand - but emphatically disagree with you - if you're not an American, if you are though, I'll make a wish you get hit by a bus tomorrow...to disagree with policy is one thing, to wish death on your American soldiers in the hope it's for naught is just totally unacceptable. :thumbsdown:

Chuck

This is not a war. It is an occupation. We "won" after less than 3 weeks.

Keeping our troops there is wishing death upon them btw.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.

I sincerely hope you are not an American and saying that...please, please tell us you aren't???

I cannot imagine an American wanting his own side to loose in a war...as loss means loss of life with no gain.

I can understand - but emphatically disagree with you - if you're not an American, if you are though, I'll make a wish you get hit by a bus tomorrow...to disagree with policy is one thing, to wish death on your American soldiers in the hope it's for naught is just totally unacceptable. :thumbsdown:

Chuck

I want exactly what our President wants. Stay the course, from now until November 2008. 😉

 

[chucky2]

That's fine that you think that way (I don't agree, but that doesn't matter). But if you're an American, you don't go hoping that more of your own are going to get killed. You don't go wanting things to get worse just so the guy at the top who defeated your choice for president 2x looks worse. This is the difference between people with character who can agree to disagree but in the end have the stones to do the hard thing, and whiny POS who don't care about long term consequences, they just want everything to be "perfect" like it was (even though like it was, was just because the inevitable hadn't happened yet).

I (and d@mn close to 100% of any other American I'm sure) don't want our troops oversees, however when they do get deployed, I don't go blabbing my expert mouth in ways that's going to shoot their morale down or bolster those who they're in conflict with.

I cannot imagine how it must feel to be over there trying to maintain the peace and help the Iraqi's grasp they're being given the chance of a lifetime, and then looking at the news back home or surfing some websites and looking at comments from the Left and people like jpeyton, Narmer, and Moonbeam. How disheartening that must be... 🙁

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: chucky2
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.</end quote></div>

I sincerely hope you are not an American and saying that...please, please tell us you aren't???

I cannot imagine an American wanting his own side to loose in a war...as loss means loss of life with no gain.

I can understand - but emphatically disagree with you - if you're not an American, if you are though, I'll make a wish you get hit by a bus tomorrow...to disagree with policy is one thing, to wish death on your American soldiers in the hope it's for naught is just totally unacceptable. :thumbsdown:

Chuck</end quote></div>
I want exactly what our President wants. Stay the course, from now until November 2008. 😉

No jpeyton, you already said what you wanted: "Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November."

You already showed where your priorities lie, have some spine and stick by what you said, at least you'll have that, for whatever it's worth... :roll:

Chuck

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.

I sincerely hope you are not an American and saying that...please, please tell us you aren't???

I cannot imagine an American wanting his own side to loose in a war...as loss means loss of life with no gain.

I can understand - but emphatically disagree with you - if you're not an American, if you are though, I'll make a wish you get hit by a bus tomorrow...to disagree with policy is one thing, to wish death on your American soldiers in the hope it's for naught is just totally unacceptable. :thumbsdown:

Chuck

I want exactly what our President wants. Stay the course, from now until November 2008. 😉

No jpeyton, you already said what you wanted: "Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November."

You already showed where your priorities lie, have some spine and stick by what you said, at least you'll have that, for whatever it's worth... :roll:

Chuck

I'm not sure if you realized this, but staying the course with a failed policy results in a deteriorating situation. That is exactly what we have.

Kthxbye

 

[chucky2]

Right, so instead of pushing for a changed policies, or more resources (whatever those may be), you want things to get worse. Okey dokey, gotcha, Kthxbye bye and all... :roll:

Chuck

 

[StageLeft]

How disheartening that must be...

Probably a lot less disheartening than recovering from an IED or, well, seeing your comrade literally disheartened from gunshot.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

How disheartening that must be...

Probably a lot less disheartening than recovering from an IED or, well, seeing your comrade literally disheartened from gunshot.

I'm sure it is less disheartening than those things Skoorb, the difference is that soldiers know that those things are a reality of being in a combat zone, whereas comments from your own countrymen working/wishing against you and your mission would - I believe - be a very unwanted reality.

Say the war is wrong, blame it all on "Bush&Co", whatever, but to actually want things to go more downhill for our troops (not to mention the normal Iraqi's who just want all the craziness to stop)? That's just in incomprehendible comment...maybe jpeyton is drunk and/or high right now, I really hope so...

Chuck

 

[gentobu]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.

Amazing. You want MORE Americans and Iraqis to die.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: gentobu

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.

Amazing. You want MORE Americans and Iraqis to die.

And of all the scenarios offered, mine still seems the most realistic (however dire it is).

I guess I could hope for lollipops and gum drops to fall from the skies like you guys, but I'm not 12 years old.

 

[gentobu]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: gentobu
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.</end quote></div>

Amazing. You want MORE Americans and Iraqis to die.</end quote></div>
And of all the scenarios offered, mine still seems the most realistic (however dire it is).

I guess I could hope for lollipops and gum drops to fall from the skies like you guys, but I'm not 12 years old.

It's obvious that things aren't getting better. I just don't understand why you would WANT things to get worse. Seriously, look at your post: "Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November." What the fvck dude?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: gentobu
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: gentobu
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.</end quote></div>

Amazing. You want MORE Americans and Iraqis to die.</end quote></div>
And of all the scenarios offered, mine still seems the most realistic (however dire it is).

I guess I could hope for lollipops and gum drops to fall from the skies like you guys, but I'm not 12 years old.</end quote></div>

It's obvious that things aren't getting better. I just don't understand why you would WANT things to get worse. Seriously, look at your post: "Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November." What the fvck dude?

Who cares what he wants? What, is he Merlin? Is his positive thinking going to win or lose this war? What's important is what Bush and Congress want. And, from what I can tell, Bush is shooting for the record for worst president in history and Congress just wants desperately to get re-elected.

 

[gentobu]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: gentobu
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: gentobu
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jpeyton
Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November.</end quote></div>

Amazing. You want MORE Americans and Iraqis to die.</end quote></div>
And of all the scenarios offered, mine still seems the most realistic (however dire it is).

I guess I could hope for lollipops and gum drops to fall from the skies like you guys, but I'm not 12 years old.</end quote></div>

It's obvious that things aren't getting better. I just don't understand why you would WANT things to get worse. Seriously, look at your post: "Let's hope this ship keeps sinking from now until next November." What the fvck dude?</end quote></div>

Who cares what he wants? What, is he Merlin? Is his positive thinking going to win or lose this war? What's important is what Bush and Congress want. And, from what I can tell, Bush is shooting for the record for worst president in history and Congress just wants desperately to get re-elected.
</end quote></div>

I do realize that jpeyton is in fact NOT Merlin, and that his thoughts are not going to affect the outcome of the war. I just wanted to know why he wants things to get worse.


Edit: I also realize that what Bush and Congress want is important.

Edit2: I also agree that Bush is pursuing the coveted "worst president in history" award.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: chucky2
That's fine that you think that way (I don't agree, but that doesn't matter). But if you're an American, you don't go hoping that more of your own are going to get killed. You don't go wanting things to get worse just so the guy at the top who defeated your choice for president 2x looks worse. This is the difference between people with character who can agree to disagree but in the end have the stones to do the hard thing, and whiny POS who don't care about long term consequences, they just want everything to be "perfect" like it was (even though like it was, was just because the inevitable hadn't happened yet).

I (and d@mn close to 100% of any other American I'm sure) don't want our troops oversees, however when they do get deployed, I don't go blabbing my expert mouth in ways that's going to shoot their morale down or bolster those who they're in conflict with.

I cannot imagine how it must feel to be over there trying to maintain the peace and help the Iraqi's grasp they're being given the chance of a lifetime, and then looking at the news back home or surfing some websites and looking at comments from the Left and people like jpeyton, Narmer, and Moonbeam. How disheartening that must be... 🙁

Chuck

Yes, the "Left"(whatever organization that is) is very damaging to the troops.. being forced to stay and die in a lost cause occupation for 4+ years by the Bush administration(and many more to come!) has nothing to do with it... it has to do with the "Left" posters on the internet.. they are the ones killing the soldiers!

 

[Balt]

At this point I honestly don't believe it will really matter who gets elected in 2008. Most of the Democrats seem so guided by public opinion polls that they won't even take a firm stand on when the troops should leave. As for the Republicans, they seem to be itching to double our problems by invading Iran as well. How they expect to control two foreign countries in that region when we can't even control one is anyone's guess.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Yes, the "Left"(whatever organization that is) is very damaging to the troops.. being forced to stay and die in a lost cause occupation for 4+ years by the Bush administration(and many more to come!) has nothing to do with it... it has to do with the "Left" posters on the internet.. they are the ones killing the soldiers!

Nice way of twisting what I said around. My point had to do with inane people like jpeyton who actually want things to go worse for us over there, or the Left (I think it's safe to say we all know how that is) jumping at any and every chance to point out a negative. While I'm sure there are many Iraqi's who don't pay attention to or care about how the war is perceived over here in the US, there should be no doubt that those that wish to make things bad/worse for us (you know, the team(s) jpeyton is rooting for) either watch or get intel on what the climate is over here.

It doesn't take brains to realize that having the professional Left running around sky is falling at every piece of bad news is just going to embolden the crazies over there that much more, all the while having a detrimental effect (however small) on our on troops.

Chuck

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: chucky2
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Yes, the "Left"(whatever organization that is) is very damaging to the troops.. being forced to stay and die in a lost cause occupation for 4+ years by the Bush administration(and many more to come!) has nothing to do with it... it has to do with the "Left" posters on the internet.. they are the ones killing the soldiers!</end quote></div>

Nice way of twisting what I said around. My point had to do with inane people like jpeyton who actually want things to go worse for us over there, or the Left (I think it's safe to say we all know how that is) jumping at any and every chance to point out a negative. While I'm sure there are many Iraqi's who don't pay attention to or care about how the war is perceived over here in the US, there should be no doubt that those that wish to make things bad/worse for us (you know, the team(s) jpeyton is rooting for) either watch or get intel on what the climate is over here.

It doesn't take brains to realize that having the professional Left running around sky is falling at every piece of bad news is just going to embolden the crazies over there that much more, all the while having a detrimental effect (however small) on our on troops.

Chuck

"The Left", as you call it, has been offering suggestions for 4 years! They have been ignored, called treasonous, and the "Right" has simply stayed the course while things have gotten worse.

So whine about the "Left" some more why don't you. They didn't create the mess and there would be no mess if you(the "Right") would have just listened to them in the first place.

 

[trenchfoot]

what bush has shown the world is that not even the nation with the mightiest military in the world can be abused into becoming a mere bludgeon with which to bend other nation's will to his own.

what bush has shown the world is that not even the nation with the mightiest and most modern and well trained military can be used with such arrogance and reckless abandon and come out of it smelling like an easy winner as he and his fellow flock of chickenhawks so foolishly convinced themselves of.

what bush has shown the world is that not even the nation with the most politically tied in defense industrial complex can keep on gobbling up the collective resources of the most righteously proud and devoted military in the world and expect the real patriots of our nation to sit idly by and watch their sons, daughters, husbands and wives get sent to slaughter by a pair draft-dodging scammers.

what bush has shown the world is that he is the consummate liar of all time that ever held the highest office of the nation he supposedly represents and that the price to pay for earning that title is steep and humiliating.

what bush has shown the world is that despite his complete lack of intestinal fortitude in standing tall for what is truly right and best for the nation he leads, the common people of this nation has what he lacks and is willing to shun, castigate and rebuke him for pursuing a very narrow and self-serving agenda that requires the sacrifices of the many to benefit the lives of the priviledged few.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
what bush has shown the world is that not even the nation with the mightiest military in the world can be abused into becoming a mere bludgeon with which to bend other nation's will to his own.

what bush has shown the world is that not even the nation with the mightiest and most modern and well trained military can be used with such arrogance and reckless abandon and come out of it smelling like an easy winner as he and his fellow flock of chickenhawks so foolishly convinced themselves of.

what bush has shown the world is that not even the nation with the most politically tied in defense industrial complex can keep on gobbling up the collective resources of the most righteously proud and devoted military in the world and expect the real patriots of our nation to sit idly by and watch their sons, daughters, husbands and wives get sent to slaughter by a pair draft-dodging scammers.

what bush has shown the world is that he is the consummate liar of all time that ever held the highest office of the nation he supposedly represents and that the price to pay for earning that title is steep and humiliating.

what bush has shown the world is that despite his complete lack of intestinal fortitude in standing tall for what is truly right and best for the nation he leads, the common people of this nation has what he lacks and is willing to shun, castigate and rebuke him for pursuing a very narrow and self-serving agenda that requires the sacrifices of the many to benefit the lives of the priviledged few.

Well said. I think that Bush has hurt America more so than Americans currently realize. He has evaporated much support for American foreign policy, especially military action. He has shown weaknesses in US military abilities, emboldened Islamists, and logistically weakened the military with continual brutal wear and tear to equipment, not to mention casualties.