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'nother question for Christians

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djheater

Lifer
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
 
There is no way anyone, of any religion, can tell you with any degree of certainty exactly what happens after death.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
There is no way anyone, of any religion, can tell you with any degree of certainty exactly what happens after death.
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Being that it's a question of faith, I'm not really asking for certainty. 😀
 
There are two trains of thought on this (Same as with pre-trib and post-trib).

You will find that OT talks about Sheol, but also references afterlife as well.

I don't have time to get into it, plus it has been a while since I have read stuff on this, but I will try later this week to report back on this.
 
My belief is that when you die, if you're saved, you go to Heaven and live with all the other saved people. After God wipes out the Earth and all the lost, there will be the white throne judgment, at which every Christian from all time will be judged. After that all the saved people will continue to live in Heaven, but on different levels. Some will be rulers or nations, some will rule nothing.
 
Originally posted by: djheater
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
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I would agree that everyone is waiting. You can't enter Heaven until after the Judgment, but that doesn't mean that a place is not prepared for you until that time. I would venture an opinion that there is a place for those who have accepted the Gospel and the atonement of Jesus Christ and are merely awaiting Judgment, and a place for those who have not heard it or accepted it where they will have such an opportunity.
 
The question assumes that heaven, souls, and the like exist within time and space. I'm not sure that this is correct, so I'm not sure that the OP's premise is correct.
 
Originally posted by: djheater
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
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OMG, two scriptures that can be interpretted as contradictory......the entire faith is going to collapse now. How could nobody have ever seen this before?????!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: djheater
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
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OMG, two scriptures that can be interpretted as contradictory......the entire faith is going to collapse now. How could nobody have ever seen this before?????!!!!!
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Why don't you try giving your opinion instead of acting insulted? 🙂
 
I'd like very much for there to be something more. Either good or bad as long as something happens. However, my gut feeling is that we just cease to exist. I'll let you know how I make out when I get there, unless of course I do just cease to exist. If that is the case take my silence as the answer.
 
Originally posted by: djheater
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
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when you die, you either go straight to heaven or straight to hell; no waiting place.
 
Originally posted by: theLION
Originally posted by: djheater
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
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when you die, you either go straight to heaven or straight to hell; no waiting place.
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Do you even attamt to justify Thessalonians? Does something else take precedence?
 
There is a verse I am digging for but can't find, it says the moment you die you are with Christ. That is of course presuming you had already accepted you were a sinner and asked for his forgiveness, believing he died for you and rose again. (those who are mentally unable or too young to understand automatically go to heaven because they cannot perceive the two choices).

The verses you reference each are talking about something different. The John verse is talking about christianity as a whole and that Jesus will come back some day and that he has a place in heaven for anyone who wants to come.

The verses in Thessalonians are a bit oddly worded. If you read it in context, verses 13-18, he is basically telling the people in Thessolonica (sp?) that believers who have died before will be in heaven, and that those who will die in the future won't 'beat' those people to heaven. Reassuring them, essentially. Has this brought some light to your question?

I'd also encourage you when reading the bible to use the NASB (new american standard bible) as it is the closest thing to the original language in modern day english.
 
According to Mormons, you go to the spirit world after dying (divided into paradise and prison, I believe). Then you hang out there till the second coming... umm. I think. And everyone is resurrected then judged and sorted into one of the three kingdoms (good, better, best... best = the earth in it's perfect state) or outer darkness. There's also a period of 1000 years (called "The Millenium") in there somewhere, perhaps between resurrection and judgment. I thought that took place on the earth as well, but I could be wrong.
 
Spirits Prison (rejected or have not heard that Gospel)
Isa. 24:22
Isa. 49:9
Isa. 61:1
Luke 4:18
John 5:25
1 Pet. 3:19
1 Pet. 4:6

Paradise (those who have accepted the Gospel and received the necessary ordinances)
Luke 23:43
2 Cor. 12:4
Rev. 2:7

 
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: theLION
Originally posted by: djheater
What happens when you die?

Do you wait til the second coming for judgement or do you proceed immediately to heaven?

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep"
1 Thessalonians 4:15

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:2,3

Jesus seems to say in John, "Wait here for me, I'll be back."

Popular culture seems to indicate that we go directly to heaven, and that are loved ones who went before will be waiting there for us.
These verses seems to indicate that everyone is just in stasis waiting for the second coming.

Thoughts?
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when you die, you either go straight to heaven or straight to hell; no waiting place.
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Do you even attamt to justify Thessalonians? Does something else take precedence?
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If this kind of thing is what holds you back from ever becoming a Christian or cements your unbelief then that's sad. You'll find no drought of verses that can sound contradictory. Paul several times, tosses in his own opinions on things and qualifies them thusly and you can only take them as such and would sound confusing to somebody reading them out of context. Also, you are reading an English interpretation of Greek and these very verses have many other interpetations that have completely different meanings.

The greater point is that the answer has little to no bearing on the core of the religion and is more of a theological and/or Greek translation question for Bible students.
 
Originally posted by: amddude
There is a verse I am digging for but can't find, it says the moment you die you are with Christ. That is of course presuming you had already accepted you were a sinner and asked for his forgiveness, believing he died for you and rose again. (those who are mentally unable or too young to understand automatically go to heaven because they cannot perceive the two choices).
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Are you talking about 2 Corinthians 5 ?

I'd be interested in which verse you mean.



 
Originally posted by: thirtythree
According to Mormons, you go to the spirit world after dying (divided into paradise and prison, I believe). Then you hang out there till the second coming... umm. I think. And everyone is resurrected then judged and sorted into one of the three kingdoms (good, better, best... best = the earth in it's perfect state) or outer darkness. There's also a period of 1000 years (called "The Millenium") in there somewhere, perhaps between resurrection and judgment. I thought that took place on the earth as well, but I could be wrong.
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Very close. Judgment does not take place until after the millenium and another small period of time after that. All people must have lived and died prior to Judgment Day. However, many will be resurrected at the time of the Millenium. I think that might be what you're confused on. But other than that, appears to be correct. :thumbsup:
 
I don't get the need to alway put Christians on the defensive but nobody can tell you for sure what happens when you die unless they are dead.

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