Note to all you "web designers".

[dejitaru]

Proper testing of a web page involves more than looking at it in IE 6 on windows XP and seeing that it works.

No, sh1t, Watson.

 

[ndee]

the new standard is 1024x768. Have you EVER seen someone with a 15" monitor? I haven't since about 4 years.

 

[joohang]

Keep up the great work, notfred. I wish that more web designers were like you.

 

[jjones]

I just stick with the CSS1 standard and only use it for font control. For layout I use tables and 1 pixel invisible gifs to manipulate the design. Works for 99.9% of the browsers out there. Oh, and I design for 800 x 600 resolution; if you have less than that I don't care, you have issues with about every web site you visit so what's one more.

 

[Quixfire]

I agree with notfred, but were I work the web farm (intranet) has banned all other browsers except for I.E. 5.5 Sp2 on WIn98 and 2000. So when someone complains that a page doesn?t display right in some other browser, I'm suppose to turn them in for using unlicensed software.

But I don't, I point the to company policy and then resolve the issue as best as I can. It has been nice not to worry about Netscape for the last two years.

 

[911paramedic]

You need to put in some page transitions, background sound, and maybe a couple dozen animated gif's if you really want that site to rock. Oh, frames would be good and a few dozen pop-ups would add to it as well...

 

[LikeLinus]

IE and Netscape/Mozilla are the only browsers you need to develop for. You'd be wasting huge amounts of time to try for such a short/insignifigant return to try and make it perfect on EIGHT different browsers. No company I've ever seen is willing to spend the resources to do something as silly as that.

Pointless in my opinion. Stick to the big 2 and be done with it. You'll have approximately 95%-98% of all users on the internet total. Now how many visits you actually get from those other "browsers" in a years period will be anywhere from almost nothing to nothing.

 

[no0b]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
You need to put in some page transitions, background sound, and maybe a couple dozen animated gif's if you really want that site to rock. Oh, frames would be good and a few dozen pop-ups would add to it as well...

I agree

 

[Placer14]

notfred.....you are my nirvana. sex me....please. 😛

seriously though...i hear waht you're sayin. :-*

 

[skyking]

If I don't have all those browsers loaded on a system here, is there a site I can go to that will allow me to test appearance in other browsers?

 

[rootaxs]

Nice advice notfred 🙂 , though you do have to consider that there's a fine line between web developers and web designer's. Design is design, Development is development so you can't expect most real designers to deal with the underlying code.

I agree though, that a lot of "web designers" advertise themselves as such, but isn't necessarily so.

Additionally, the way most designers and developers work - especially freelancers like me - having to fix and perfect a project to work in every possible monitor/color depth/platform/browser is next to impossible. Add that number of combinations to the number of projects to be made in a single month and it just gets even more complex. Thus, there has to be a compromise somewhere. My first order of approach is usually to look at the logs of existing customer sites and see which is the #1 and #2 platform/browser used and base the site coding and design on those. There's never any real guarantees that what works today will work tomorrow given the "upgrades" that software developers makes to their packages.

Then of course there's the usual corporate mumbo-jumbo, "I don't care if it works on Netscape, as long as it works in IE and it looks good!". :disgust:

To add to notfred's discussion, if you are into real design... even the colors itself will differ from one PC to another - even given the same exact OS, browser and monitor. Just gets more complicated eh? 😉

 

[GoingUp]

Notfred you work for the USGS? I work for them here in Wisconsin

 

[rh71]

Good advice if you code for the general public. Internal company work is much less time consuming. 😉 We've removed general support for Netscape effective July 2003 (THANK GOD)... so people will be installing IE in mass soon. IE didn't even come with the image that gets installed on people's workstations/laptops before. Try figuring that one out.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: ndee
the new standard is 1024x768. Have you EVER seen someone with a 15" monitor? I haven't since about 4 years.

I'd say it's still at 800x600. Tons of people still have 15" monitors. Tons of people still use WIN95 for their office OS so that gives you an idea. Some smaller companies still don't have the funds to upgrade all hardware for their employees. Or maybe they're just too lazy to do so since there's no demand for it there.

 

[mrCide]

Web designers rock!

 

[Cerb]

the new standard is 1024x768. Have you EVER seen someone with a 15" monitor? I haven't since about 4 years.

CTX PL5 here.

I don't see what the deal is with the pictures...they look close enough.
On NS4...you'll just have to pull your hair out. It was crap when it was new.
In addition, for Mozilla it doesn't matter if it is win32 or linux. Likely the same for chimera.
Mozilla _will_ be the _only_ browser that will display a page the way you wrote it if you use CSS.