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Note to all you "web designers".

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notfred

Lifer
Proper testing of a web page involves more than looking at it in IE 6 on windows XP and seeing that it works.
Here's 8 screenshots of a page that I was working on at work today. It's not quite finished, as you can see that there a few small issues with the page in most of the screenshots.

8 pictures.

If you only test with IE on windows, you're leaving the possibility open that your page doesn't look right on a significant percentage of people's computers.
 
Only quickly, I saw some justification issues when I looked. Nothing to major though..


Good advice I suppose, the browser wars are long gone though. I would wager though more then 80% of your traffic will be on IE though. Do you have access to your traffic logs?
 
Originally posted by: Grey
Good advice I suppose, the browser wars are long gone though. I would wager though more then 80% of your traffic will be on IE though. Do you have access to your traffic logs?
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The point of me mentioning whether you looked at the pictures or not was not so much to view my page, but to note that only 2 of the 8 browsers tested were running on linux.

Yes I do have server logs, but I don't have figures here. Even if 90% of the traffic is IE, that means 10% of the traffic is something else.... if you get 100,000 visitors a year, that's 10,000 visitors who didn't see your page looking it's best.

Plus, IE on the mac doesn't render quite the same as IE on Windows.

 
Originally posted by: Colt45
test it on 640x480 too.

or buy me a new monitor 😉
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It should work at 800x600. If you're running at 640x480, get some damn new hardware or learn to scroll 🙂
 
I know, I was being stupid about it relax man! And colt did have a good point on the browser size. How do your tables look in the different resolutions?
 
Originally posted by: Grey
I know, I was being stupid about it relax man! And colt did have a good point on the browser size. How do your tables look in the different resolutions?
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It looks how it's supposed to at 800x600 or bigger. There's a bit of extra white space at realy high resolutions, but it still looks fine.
 
Originally posted by: notfred

It should work at 800x600. If you're running at 640x480, get some damn new hardware or learn to scroll 🙂
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I wasnt refering to this specifically, but theres some weird sh1t on some sites that won't fit in the browser, and there's no scrollbar either.

guess i should really get a new monitor some day 😛
 
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: notfred

It should work at 800x600. If you're running at 640x480, get some damn new hardware or learn to scroll 🙂
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I wasnt refering to this specifically, but theres some weird sh1t on some sites that won't fit in the browser, and there's no scrollbar either.

guess i should really get a new monitor some day 😛
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You seriously haev a monitor that only runs at 640x480? Does it display color?
 
Good advice but sometimes it's a bitch. You just have to be careful about the way you code things and what you use to build your website. For example, many browsers have very limited or no CSS suport - so staying away from CSS-driven websites are a must if you want 100% compatibility. Using CSS for text only is a good idea, but stick to tables (or *gasp* frames) and it'll look the same in all browsers. I tested my latest project in IE6 SP1, latest Mozilla and Phoenix, and the latest Opera. Exactly the same results in each browser. woot.
 
Originally posted by: notfred


You seriously haev a monitor that only runs at 640x480? Does it display color?
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rofl.. yeah, some old POS. 14 or 15".. from '93 I think. 60hz too. w00t.
see, i started out with a 486 and upgraded everything to semi-modern (Tbird 800, tnt2, etc)
but ive still got the original monitor and amazing doublespeed cd-rom.
 
Originally posted by: Colt45
rofl.. yeah, some old POS. 14 or 15".. from '93 I think. 60hz too. w00t.
see, i started out with a 486 and upgraded everything to semi-modern (Tbird 800, tnt2, etc)
but ive still got the original monitor and amazing doublespeed cd-rom.
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What do you do for a living, collect cans? Seriously man, I've given away monitors better than what you're using cause I was going to throw them out.

Find a cheap $30 14" monitor that does 1024x768 and I'll pay for it for you... seriously...
 
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: notfred

You seriously haev a monitor that only runs at 640x480? Does it display color?
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rofl.. yeah, some old POS. 14 or 15".. from '93 I think. 60hz too. w00t.
see, i started out with a 486 and upgraded everything to semi-modern (Tbird 800, tnt2, etc)
but ive still got the original monitor and amazing doublespeed cd-rom.
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:Q
 
Your site makes NS4 crash if you care. It might just be me but other sites work fine. And what is with your contempt for other web designers? .. oh, I mean other "web designers."
 
Originally posted by: Deslocke
Your site makes NS4 crash if you care. It might just be me but other sites work fine. And what is with your contempt for other web designers? .. oh, I mean other "web designers."
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I don't have contempt for other web designers, I have contempt for people who think they're web designers but can't make a page that works in more than one version of one browser.

I haven't tested NS 4 yet...
 
What? No OS2 screen shots?

I'll SUE you! I'll SUE you! I'll SUE you!









...







...sorry, thought I was an anti-microsoft asshole there for a second.
 
eh, i consider it "good enough" if it works without major issues.

of course i like to make things look the way i want them to in mozilla.
 
i have to agree with notfred, properly designing a web page is important to me. being lazy and slopy is suck. :|
 
I end up using IE5 and 6 for Windows as my standard benchmark, but I also check with Mozilla/Netscape/Gecko-based browsers (on both Win32 and Linux platforms), Opera, and IE for Mac (which can differ from the Windows versions - i.e. IE5 Win vs IE5 Mac, the mac version had the 'more correct' CSS box implementation). As long as they look relatively similar design-wise, I'm usually ok with it. The most important thing to me is that the content is readily viewable and can still be navigated. I make sure to separate design and content so pages will degrade gracefully in the case of viewers who use older browsers (IE3, Netscape 4.x, Lynx, etc). I always make sure to write W3C validated code also, although validated code can still get treated very differently from browser to browser as many are probably well aware of.

I'll admit I haven't tried very hard to really sort out the minor issues that my personal site has with the non-IE browsers, though it's not really a priority since it's just a personal site with very little info to convey, and the issues aren't major enough to prevent the content from being displayed. But if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve/fix, I'm all ears. 🙂
 
sound advice i guess, the problem a lot of time and money is wasted trying to tweak stuff to work correctly for all the OS and browser variations, that is why most web developers are now just worrying about the 90% case.
 
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