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Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: Eli
Everything seems fine though. The transmission shifts fine, the engine runs good and sounds fine when revved in neutral.. but there is a horrible noise when moving forward. It's not a wheel bearing, its only present when in gear.
Uh, oh. That doesn't sound like the pilot or throw-out bearing. They don't know when you're in gear or not. A release bearing you can tell is bad just sitting idling in neutral. Pilot bearings (or bushing, don't know about yours) SHOULD make noise regardless....the crank is always spinning, and if it's going to make noise, it should do it when in neutral, not when moving.
Just thought I'd quote my original diagnosis from your original description.

<--pats self on back.


And I think I'll reiterate my thought that, Damn Eli, you are rough on cars.
Guess we can't totally blame this one on you since you just got it, though.

So what's the estimate to fix this one? Hope it's not too much.
Maybe get a used one and slap it in there. Take the top cover off and inspect it first.
 

Pacfanweb

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You have some of the worst luck with vehicles that I've ever seen, that absolutely sucks Eli. :(

ZV

I was going to post the same thing, ZV. Eli seems like such a good guy but the car gods do not smile upon him.
:laugh:

:(

I know. WTF?

I'm going to start up my own shop, damnit. At least then I won't have to pay out the ass for labor when my shit breaks.

:p

I dunno about that. You're like the automotive equivalent of Job, so if you get your own shop I'd be worried about having the car fall off the lift or something.

ZV
Ha, I have a picture in the drawer right next to me of a car that fell off my lift back in my dealership mechanic days. It's a not-too-clear Polaroid, or I'd scan and post it.
(wasn't my fault, lift malfunctioned...I never did fully trust them after that, though)

 

theeedude

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It's still saving you money. You could have bought a non-hybrid with a shot tranny too. Just tough break dude, get it fixed and move on.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Black88GTA
Sorry to hear of your troubles. That blows. You can get a used tranny from the place below with a 3-year unlimited mileage warranty - sounds like it would be key, in your case. Hopefully you'll have better luck with it once it's fixed.

$750, free shipping, 3 year UNLIMITED MILEAGE warranty
That would be really nice.

If I would have known it was going to die on me, I could have arranged something. ;)

I don't have time for that now, though. I'm supposed to get the car back tomorrow afternoon.
 

Gillbot

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Start buying $50 junker beaters and walk away from them when they break down. Less repair costs that way and might be cheaper overall.

That's smart advice for people who don't need to depend on their car... *crickets chirp*

IIRC, Eli is a courier. His car is his livelihood, and downtime is bad news for him. He can't just bum a ride to work for a couple days like most people. I'm in a similar boat, with a journeyman position that means I drive all day in my personal car. Even scheduling regular services is a serious pain in the ass and takes a lot of planning. "The car MUST run today" is my 11th commandment.

I know what he does and I stand by my statement. I used to buy cheap-o cars all the time and I drove over 200+ miles a day. I just got tired of tearing up and maintaining a "good" car for my companies profit.

As long as you check out the car, buying a "$50 beater" isn't any different than buying any other used car. And BTW, in case you missed it, the $50 beater term is just an expression for a car as cheap as possible. It doesn't mean the car is literally $50 from a junkyard.
 

dug777

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Start buying $50 junker beaters and walk away from them when they break down. Less repair costs that way and might be cheaper overall.

That's smart advice for people who don't need to depend on their car... *crickets chirp*

IIRC, Eli is a courier. His car is his livelihood, and downtime is bad news for him. He can't just bum a ride to work for a couple days like most people. I'm in a similar boat, with a journeyman position that means I drive all day in my personal car. Even scheduling regular services is a serious pain in the ass and takes a lot of planning. "The car MUST run today" is my 11th commandment.

I know what he does and I stand by my statement. I used to buy cheap-o cars all the time and I drove over 200+ miles a day. I just got tired of tearing up and maintaining a "good" car for my companies profit.

As long as you check out the car, buying a "$50 beater" isn't any different than buying any other used car. And BTW, in case you missed it, the $50 beater term is just an expression for a car as cheap as possible. It doesn't mean the car is literally $50 from a junkyard.

He doesn't have time to maintain a '$50 beater', or to 'buy cheap-o cars all the time' :p

'And BTW' your initial statement suggests that he buy a complete junkyard special, with the attendant reliability problems that come with the price, and yeah, a $50 beater is, by its very price, almost certainly going to have dramatically more problems than a 'good used vehicle' :p

If you were aware of the backstory, you'd also know he also wanted something with insane mpg, again not usually the domain of the '$50 beater'.



 

TerryMathews

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And this is why I bought a Toyota certified pre-owned Highlander vs. buying "from some guy". Still paid under bluebook, and got a 7yr (from inservice date) 100,000 mile (total) powertrain warranty. Car will be paid off before it's out of warranty muhahaha!
 

Gillbot

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Start buying $50 junker beaters and walk away from them when they break down. Less repair costs that way and might be cheaper overall.

That's smart advice for people who don't need to depend on their car... *crickets chirp*

IIRC, Eli is a courier. His car is his livelihood, and downtime is bad news for him. He can't just bum a ride to work for a couple days like most people. I'm in a similar boat, with a journeyman position that means I drive all day in my personal car. Even scheduling regular services is a serious pain in the ass and takes a lot of planning. "The car MUST run today" is my 11th commandment.

I know what he does and I stand by my statement. I used to buy cheap-o cars all the time and I drove over 200+ miles a day. I just got tired of tearing up and maintaining a "good" car for my companies profit.

As long as you check out the car, buying a "$50 beater" isn't any different than buying any other used car. And BTW, in case you missed it, the $50 beater term is just an expression for a car as cheap as possible. It doesn't mean the car is literally $50 from a junkyard.

He doesn't have time to maintain a '$50 beater', or to 'buy cheap-o cars all the time' :p

'And BTW' your initial statement suggests that he buy a complete junkyard special, with the attendant reliability problems that come with the price, and yeah, a $50 beater is, by its very price, almost certainly going to have dramatically more problems than a 'good used vehicle' :p

If you were aware of the backstory, you'd also know he also wanted something with insane mpg, again not usually the domain of the '$50 beater'.

I know he wanted high MPG but it's a moot point if the car cost is high plus it is a fortune to maintain.

I still stand behind my statement as it worked well for me when I was a service man for Mitsubishi. Low car cost, low insurance and cheap maintenance goes a long way on a "junker car" plus the savings in insurance, maintenance and car payment more than offset the cost of fuel.
 

Uhtrinity

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Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Start buying $50 junker beaters and walk away from them when they break down. Less repair costs that way and might be cheaper overall.

That's smart advice for people who don't need to depend on their car... *crickets chirp*

IIRC, Eli is a courier. His car is his livelihood, and downtime is bad news for him. He can't just bum a ride to work for a couple days like most people. I'm in a similar boat, with a journeyman position that means I drive all day in my personal car. Even scheduling regular services is a serious pain in the ass and takes a lot of planning. "The car MUST run today" is my 11th commandment.

I know what he does and I stand by my statement. I used to buy cheap-o cars all the time and I drove over 200+ miles a day. I just got tired of tearing up and maintaining a "good" car for my companies profit.

As long as you check out the car, buying a "$50 beater" isn't any different than buying any other used car. And BTW, in case you missed it, the $50 beater term is just an expression for a car as cheap as possible. It doesn't mean the car is literally $50 from a junkyard.

He doesn't have time to maintain a '$50 beater', or to 'buy cheap-o cars all the time' :p

'And BTW' your initial statement suggests that he buy a complete junkyard special, with the attendant reliability problems that come with the price, and yeah, a $50 beater is, by its very price, almost certainly going to have dramatically more problems than a 'good used vehicle' :p

If you were aware of the backstory, you'd also know he also wanted something with insane mpg, again not usually the domain of the '$50 beater'.

I know he wanted high MPG but it's a moot point if the car cost is high plus it is a fortune to maintain.

I still stand behind my statement as it worked well for me when I was a service man for Mitsubishi. Low car cost, low insurance and cheap maintenance goes a long way on a "junker car" plus the savings in insurance, maintenance and car payment more than offset the cost of fuel.

Judging from the experience of drivers from the Insight forums, and my own experience, what happened with Eli's transmission was a total fluke. There was one other guy who mentioned the same thing happened to him, most others have had trouble free 5 speed transmissions. The CVT transmissions on the other hand have been known to have issues.

With the daily drive Eli has, his replacement transmission should pay for itself in about 2 months. I think it was figured the car would pay for itself in less than 2 years in what he saves in gas. This of course is assuming the car gods don't incur anymore wrath on the poor soul known as Eli :)

Eli, how about an update??
 

Gillbot

Lifer
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I don't doubt that it is/was/can be a good investment for him but sometimes the car gods decide to pick on certain people. I've had the same type of luck with cars as Eli in the past and I gave up trying to "beat them" at their game and got cheaper cars. That way when they die I can walk away.

*what has worked for me may not be the best case for everyone, I was just putting in my $0.02, nobody says you have to follow it. ;)
 

Pliablemoose

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I used to crank out 200 miles a day 3X a week...

Used Honda Civics FTW... I totaled 2 of them during my commuting... (other guy's fault)

It makes no sense to wear out a perfectly good car driving those kind of miles.

Eli, you may as well get your Insight fixed & sell it, look for Civics with 100K or more on them...
 

thomsbrain

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If you don't have a lot of up-front money, sometimes those beaters can work out for a while. My GF once purchased an old Camry from some grandma for $500, quickly drove it for nearly 100,000 miles (long drives for sports and school), and sold it for $800, with extremely minimal maintenance costs. Certainly a great deal, and like all beaters, it had character! But in the end, I helped her to sell it because it was a death-trap and I didn't trust it to protect her, even for driving around town.

Newer, nicer cars are more safe and comfortable, and if anyone needs those features, it's the person who spends all day behind the wheel, not the person who rarely drives. I did a cost-analysis before I bought my current car and found that the cost of buying my newer used car was almost identical to buying a succession of older, cheaper used cars of the same model. So by buying the better car upfront, I get to enjoy that better car for years while not actually paying much more money in the long run. Eventually the one good car finally achieves beater status and is the same as the last car in my hypothetical string of beaters. When it dies, you buy another good car. It requires you to come up with all of the money upfront, instead of paying it out in little increments, but that's a small price to pay for being safe and comfortable for years. YMMV for other models of car.

Of course, as Gillbot mentions, you can also take comfort in not being attached to a car. With a beater, you don't mind a new door ding or feel like you need to wash it all the time. If it gets stolen or hit, who cares? But for me, I'd rather sweat that stuff a bit more in return for a better experience behind the wheel, since I really like to drive and have to do it so much.
 

Pliablemoose

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We've been conditioned to percieve our cars as an extension of ourselves, while in one sense they are, in another we're fools to buy into the concept.

IMHO, the best car is the one that's paid for, and a fat checking account.

That doesn't mean you have to own boring, lame piece of crap cars, it means to be smart about what you buy. I love the hell out of my Miatas and F250, they're reliable, simple autos, but that's just me.

I'm always on the lookout for my next car, and have Autotrader searches set up to notify me of newly listed Corvette convertibles and Mustang GT convertibles, I'll be pulling the trigger on one or the other in the next year or so, but only when I can pay for it or finance it for just a couple of months, till I sell the old car.

Automobiles are depreciating assets to assume they are much more than that is perhaps a bit childlike.

Sorry to hear about your tranny Eli :(

 

bruceb

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A used Camry would not be too costly and it gets good MPG especially
if it is the 4 cylinder model. And they run very well and nice inside. My
own choice would be the V6 model as I like the extra power. As to being
a courier, is that as an Independent / Contractor type job ? ? If so, you
can deduct your car maintenance & operating costs on your tax return.
Or take the standard mileage of about .48 cents per mile from the IRS.
If you do it the other way, keep good records in case they question it.
Same for Tolls & Parking you pay to do the work. Check with a good
tax accountant.
 

Eli

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What more is there to update?

I got the car back, my wallet is $1465 lighter(incl. rental).

I appreciate all the advice with people telling me to get cheap junkers, but it doesn't work like that.

Another 30MPG car would cost me 400$/more than the Insight in gas.

My car payment is 180$. That leaves about 220$ up in the air. Dropping full coverage insurance only drops my premium by about 100$/mo.

So I would be 120$/mo short with a 1,000$ Civic, and be susceptible to God knows what would break on it.

New cars are the way to go in this business. Many of the senior employees simply buy a new car every ~3 years.

However...

I would like to pick up said $1000 Civic just to have around, as a spare. That way I would have something to drive if my car was in the shop.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Gillbot
What about a leased car? One like a fleet where there are no mileage limits?
Haven't really looked into it.

What do the numbers look like?
 

Gillbot

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I am not sure, that's what we currently get as a company vehicle. 75k miles or 3 years, whichever comes first then we turn em in. I burn through 75k in about 9-11 months.