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Not the only confession being talked about...

zsdersw

zsdersw

Lifer
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0429/breaking20.html

A Catholic priest from Co Tyrone who "inadvertently" displayed gay pornographic images to a group of parents and a child has issued an unreserved apology.

The images were shown on a screen by Fr Martin McVeigh, the parish priest of Pomeroy, during a PowerPoint presentation at St Mary’s Primary School about children’s first Confession on March 26th.

The images were on a memory stick he had stuck into a laptop he was using.

In a statement today, Fr McVeigh said he “deeply” regrets his failure to check his presentation in advance.

“I had no knowledge of any offending imagery existing in it. After the images were inadvertently shown, I immediately removed the memory stick from the laptop,” he said. “In my shock and upset and in my concern to ensure that the images would never be shown again, I destroyed it later that evening.”

There was no suggestion that the images were of minors or in any way illegal.

Fr McVeigh said he accepts the incident was very serious and caused much anxiety and distress.

“I apologise unreservedly for the hurt caused. I want to assure you, however, that I was not responsible for the presence of the offending images and in this respect I ask you to accept my innocence.”

Fr McVeigh said he has asked the Archbishop of Armagh, Cardinal Seán Brady, for permission to leave the parish and take sabbatical leave. “The memory of this awful episode will remain with me for the rest of my life,” he said

In a statement, Dr Brady said he had agreed to the request “on the understanding that he will, on its completion, return to the diocese”.

He also apologised for the incident, which he described as “traumatic” for both the parish and for Fr McVeigh.

Since the incident, the laptop in question has been reported stolen from Fr McVeigh’s house. The PSNI have appealed to the public for information to help establish the circumstances behind the theft.

Dr Brady said two other computers in the sacristy and computer equipment in the parish office and Fr McVeigh’s parochial house had been examined as part of a diocesan inquiry. “These have been forensically examined by an independent technical expert and no inappropriate imagery has been found,” he said.
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5150Joker said:
If they allowed these priests to fuck women, there'd be less gay incidents and pedophilia going around.
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Provided it was within the bounds of marriage (so as not to violate the rules in the Bible), I agree. Paul (I believe it was Paul) warns us about this.
 
“I had no knowledge of any offending imagery existing in it. After the images were inadvertently shown, I immediately removed the memory stick from the laptop,” he said. “In my shock and upset and in my concern to ensure that the images would never be shown again, I destroyed it later that evening.”
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After he bookmarked the website he downloaded them from so he can go back later when the heat is off and download them again.
 
zsdersw said:
No kidding. Repression of sexuality is a state of denial that has disastrous consequences.
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I'm surprised you'd agree with his suggestion that allowing hetero sex would suppress homosexual urges and behavior. It seems in line with the notion that homosexuality is learned and can be unlearned. Most particularly with the rather parochial idea that if you expose a gay man to women, he will quickly re-think his orientation.
 
woolfe9999 said:
I'm surprised you'd agree with his suggestion that allowing hetero sex would suppress homosexual urges and behavior. It seems in line with the notion that homosexuality is learned and can be unlearned. Most particularly with the rather parochial idea that if you expose a gay man to women, he will quickly re-think his orientation.
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haha.
 
Hmm... so the Church says I can't have gay sex, but the feelings are kinda sorta okay, as long as I don't act on them.

And it also says that priests are to be celibate.

I wonder why so many gay Catholic men end up being priests?

It would probably work out perfectly if the poor priests weren't also human🙁
 
5150Joker said:
If they allowed these priests to fuck women, there'd be less gay incidents and pedophilia going around.
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Among priests, yes. Because when you have these sexually repressive rules, you're going to attract some fucked up people to the priesthood.
 
5150Joker said:
If they allowed these priests to fuck women, there'd be less gay incidents and pedophilia going around.
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How do you account for all the molestations and sexual crimes commited by "regular" people who have absolutely no restrictions placed on them?
 
And if all of the Christian men followed the no sex outside of marriage, atheist guys could charge for sexual favors and lines forming at their doors. Since this doesn't happen, I figure most Christian men kind of blow off that restriction.
 
monovillage said:
We see a lot of incidents where school teachers are fucking underage kids, a lot of incidents.
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These "underage kids" are biologically developed, sexually aware post-pubescents. The fact that it's illegal is a cultural convention adopted by society, and not a biological or psychological aberration.
 
woolfe9999 said:
I'm surprised you'd agree with his suggestion that allowing hetero sex would suppress homosexual urges and behavior. It seems in line with the notion that homosexuality is learned and can be unlearned. Most particularly with the rather parochial idea that if you expose a gay man to women, he will quickly re-think his orientation.
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Not at all. I think that sexual repression can lead to all sorts of behavior that someone would not otherwise engage in.

I think these priests' sexual attraction to boys is not a sign of homosexual orientation, but a perversion caused by their sexual repression.

Pedophilia != homosexuality, even when the children involved are of the same gender as the pedophile.
 
Ktulu said:
How do you account for all the molestations and sexual crimes commited by "regular" people who have absolutely no restrictions placed on them?
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I think what the person is saying is not to try and eliminate molestations and sexual crimes against minors, but his idea would simply get them out of the church.

People who will eventually molest would no longer look at the church as an option to try and be normal. The discussion isn't about lowering child molest and gay sex, it's about putting them into a different demographic (non-church).
 
zsdersw said:
Not at all. I think that sexual repression can lead to all sorts of behavior that someone would not otherwise engage in.

I think these priests' sexual attraction to boys is not a sign of homosexual orientation, but a perversion caused by their sexual repression.

Pedophilia != homosexuality, even when the children involved are of the same gender as the pedophile.
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That's most likely just not true. Priests that feel that way, felt that way before going in, and looked at the priesthood as a way to be the way they are and still feel normal. They were repressing themselves, the church wasn't repressing them.

I agree the church is a sexually repressed entity, but that simply attracts those who are repressing their sexuality, not taking in sexually liberal people and then repressing their sexuality.

Pedophilia can develop probably just from being a sexually repressed homosexual, or heterosexual for that matter... and our society does a perfectly fine job of repressing homosexuals in ways other than turning them into priests. While most of the culture of homosexual repression starts from religion, there are plenty of non religious people who also participate in the culture of homosexual repression.
 
momeNt said:
That's most likely just not true. Priests that feel that way, felt that way before going in, and looked at the priesthood as a way to be the way they are and still feel normal. They were repressing themselves, the church wasn't repressing them.

I agree the church is a sexually repressed entity, but that simply attracts those who are repressing their sexuality, not taking in sexually liberal people and then repressing their sexuality.

Pedophilia can develop probably just from being a sexually repressed homosexual, or heterosexual for that matter... and our society does a perfectly fine job of repressing homosexuals in ways other than turning them into priests. While most of the culture of homosexual repression starts from religion, there are plenty of non religious people who also participate in the culture of homosexual repression.
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I never said sexual repression was exclusively caused by the priesthood. There's nothing in my reply that is contrary to your post.
 
zsdersw said:
Not at all. I think that sexual repression can lead to all sorts of behavior that someone would not otherwise engage in.

I think these priests' sexual attraction to boys is not a sign of homosexual orientation, but a perversion caused by their sexual repression.

Pedophilia != homosexuality, even when the children involved are of the same gender as the pedophile.
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I agree that pedophilia /= homosexuality. I disagree that the choice of gender does not reflect a sexual orientation. The repression of sexuality causes the pathology of child molestation, not the preference for boys over girls. That is a simply matter of sexual preference. Some priests DO molest girls rather than boys. The hetero ones.

Joker's statement that allowing them to have sex with women would solve the problem doesn't make any sense to me. It only solves the problem if the priest is hetero. If he is gay, he isn't going to be interested in women. He should be allowed to have sex with adult men. That is what could stop the molesting.
 
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woolfe9999 said:
I agree that pedophilia /= homosexuality. I disagree that the choice of gender does not reflect a sexual orientation. The repression of sexuality causes the pathology of child molestation, not the preference for boys over girls. That is a simply matter of sexual preference. Some priests DO molest girls rather than boys. The hetero ones.
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That is not at all as factual or proven as you believe it to be.

Joker's statement that allowing them to have sex with women would solve the problem doesn't make any sense to me. It only solves the problem if the priest is hetero. If he is gay, he isn't going to be interested in women. He should be allowed to have sex with adult men. That is what could stop the molesting.
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I didn't take his statement as seriously as you did.
 
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momeNt said:
I think what the person is saying is not to try and eliminate molestations and sexual crimes against minors, but his idea would simply get them out of the church.

People who will eventually molest would no longer look at the church as an option to try and be normal. The discussion isn't about lowering child molest and gay sex, it's about putting them into a different demographic (non-church).
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No I completely understand and agree with that. However my point is that the whole idea that the reason for molestations by priests is celibacy is completely erroneous. Nobody is holding a gun to their head forcing them to abstain from anything. They freely made an adult decision to enter into the priesthood knowing full well what that would entail. If at any point they felt compelled to leave they are also free to do so. If they really want to be a part of the church but have a family they can go to an eastern catholic church or simply be a deacon. Those priests who are actually molesting anyone was clearly a sick person regardless of the priesthood. Personally I think they should go through some sort of psychological examination during the seminary just as an extra precaution.
 
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zsdersw said:
That is not at all as factual or proven as you believe it to be.
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Are you denying that pedophiles and molesters have distinct gender preferences in their victims? You're saying there is no such thing as sexual orientation among pedophiles?
 
woolfe9999 said:
Are you denying that pedophiles and molesters have distinct gender preferences in their victims? You're saying there is no such thing as sexual orientation among pedophiles?
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I'm saying that sexual repression can play a role in determining the gender preference of pedophiles.
 
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