JTsyo
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What poeple can't wrap their heads around is what the figting in WW2 was like. What's worse nuking cities or invasions with casualties like this?
1st: We have on average one "major" conflict every 10 years or so. I disagree with more conflicts now then in the past.
2nd: Yes we are the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons on another. Guess what though, the fire bombing of Tokyo resulted in more killed.
3rd: Do you know anything about Japanese culture? They a very devoted culture. The guys in charge (read: emperor) decided the US/Allies were the enemy. He said attack, and they attacked. They wouldn't have given up if we had not dropped the two bombs. That was our last resort to ending the war. We tried convential weapons (with bombings, then fire bombings), they did NOT give up. The Germans were also working on nuclear weapons, and would have used it without hesitation to attack. We used it to end a war we were dragged into and didn't start.
4th: Killing the emperor would not have been 100% sure end to the war.
2nd: Yes we are the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons on another. Guess what though, the fire bombing of Tokyo resulted in more killed.
3rd: Do you know anything about Japanese culture? They a very devoted culture. The guys in charge (read: emperor) decided the US/Allies were the enemy. He said attack, and they attacked. They wouldn't have given up if we had not dropped the two bombs. That was our last resort to ending the war. We tried convential weapons (with bombings, then fire bombings), they did NOT give up. The Germans were also working on nuclear weapons, and would have used it without hesitation to attack. We used it to end a war we were dragged into and didn't start.
4th: Killing the emperor would not have been 100% sure end to the war.
Well what is the observation point? Earth maybe? Earth/Sun/Center of the galaxy= 3 points the way I do math.
According to a documentary I saw on cable, the beaches that were being considered for landing points for the invasion of japan were checked after the war and discovered to be heavily fortified and defended. I can't remember the estimated casualties but they were tremendous. The predicted success rate was not very high either.
The japanese do appear to have been possessed. Don't know why or the likelihood of a reoccurrence.
Hard to defend nuclear death but it appears to have been smaller that the conventional alternative. People need to talk to somebody who was alive during this time (do it soon...) about the fear that pervaded everything. It's different than reading about it. Take the feeling the month after 9/11 and multiply by 100 and extend it for several years.
Some may need to research the nuclear mutually assured destruction concept also. It's not just in the movies. It's no wonder people are fearful of things nuclear.
The japanese do appear to have been possessed. Don't know why or the likelihood of a reoccurrence.
Hard to defend nuclear death but it appears to have been smaller that the conventional alternative. People need to talk to somebody who was alive during this time (do it soon...) about the fear that pervaded everything. It's different than reading about it. Take the feeling the month after 9/11 and multiply by 100 and extend it for several years.
Some may need to research the nuclear mutually assured destruction concept also. It's not just in the movies. It's no wonder people are fearful of things nuclear.
Ruptga
Lifer
- Aug 3, 2006
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Not this again...
Look, if the prophecy is true then the end of the world will come whenever it comes. In this scenario there is absolutely nothing you can do about it so go on with your life while you can.
If the prophecy is false then we have no way of knowing whether or not the end of the world is coming, so worrying about it is about as pointless as worrying whether or not a five pound meteorite will smash through your bedroom's roof and kill you in your sleep.
Either way it's practically irrelevant, on the one hand we might be able to see it coming but can't do anything about it, on the other hand we're jumping at ghosts. And, since you're apparantly referencing stuff in the Bible, keep in mind that "nobody but the Father knows," so all these prophecies are worthless as far as prediction goes.
Look, if the prophecy is true then the end of the world will come whenever it comes. In this scenario there is absolutely nothing you can do about it so go on with your life while you can.
If the prophecy is false then we have no way of knowing whether or not the end of the world is coming, so worrying about it is about as pointless as worrying whether or not a five pound meteorite will smash through your bedroom's roof and kill you in your sleep.
Either way it's practically irrelevant, on the one hand we might be able to see it coming but can't do anything about it, on the other hand we're jumping at ghosts. And, since you're apparantly referencing stuff in the Bible, keep in mind that "nobody but the Father knows," so all these prophecies are worthless as far as prediction goes.
I'm sorry you had to experience this.
fud is used quite effectively by some religions to keep a reign on the followers.
I know it's a pita, but reviewing history might surprise you about the frequency of wars/armed conflicts.
Prophecies schmophecies, this thread is now about the ill fated Empire of Nippon.
At the risk of signalling Captain Obvious... the use of atomic bombs was as much against the USSR as Nippon, as 'twere. That is, the latter was already doomed and there was no urgency except to stymie the former. Indeed, as per agreement, the USSR was to join the war against Nippon within three months of war ending in Europe (1945-05-08), making that 08-08 and the bombs were used on 08-05 and 08-09. Telling, n'est ce pas?
At the risk of signalling Captain Obvious... the use of atomic bombs was as much against the USSR as Nippon, as 'twere. That is, the latter was already doomed and there was no urgency except to stymie the former. Indeed, as per agreement, the USSR was to join the war against Nippon within three months of war ending in Europe (1945-05-08), making that 08-08 and the bombs were used on 08-05 and 08-09. Telling, n'est ce pas?
They wouldn't give up.
I can't think of any situation in which I could be convinced to become a kamikaze - can you?
The Bible gets fairly specific when it comes to prophecies regarding the last days. Much more specific than any vague prophecy from anything else. Essentially, from the Book of Revelation, Daniel, 2 Thessalonians, and other passages throughout scripture, there is a rundown of all of human history, from an expansive timeline. Daniel gives a representative overview of history by naming and describing the attributes of 4 world empires that have passed (2 which were yet future at the time of Daniel). Those 4 empires were Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome (there are 2 other nations mentioned in the Bible that were significant empires, Egypt and Assyria, but not on the world scale). The first 3 world empires passed away in succession, as Daniel prophecied. The interesting thing is that the time period we are living in now, the time period since the death and resurrection of Jesus, is seen almost as a pause in between events, a time often called the "church age", during which the gospel would reach the entire world. Once the gospel has reached "every tribe, tongue, and nation", the world would have resumed a state very similar to the time before Jesus died: the Roman Empire would be back, and it would again be a world empire. 10 nations will rise in prominence out the divided, yet strong in some areas, kingdom, and 1 individual will rise (called the Antichrist, but actual name/person is unknown).
In an attempt to take control of the world, the Antichrist will promise peace and be a very persuasive leader, but his endgame is to conquer all and rule. His attempt will be successful at first. He will use political, religious, and economic unity of nations to bring into position a one world government. Politically, the union of nations (union of unions) will be necessary. Economically, one currency, and one world market and commerce system, will be employed. To control the thoughts of people, one religion, a massive ecumenical movement with the eventual false messiah worship of the Antichrist (similar to the Babylonian "mystery" religion, hence the usage of "Babylon" metaphorically in Revelation) will be employed.
That is not to say everyone will buy into the system the Antichrist sets up. Many will, but not all. The Jewish 144,000 converts at that time will not, nor will any of the new Christians at that time. And many people throughout the world won't either. Eventually, the eastern nations (possibly China and/or India) will mount a massive (1,000,000,000+ army, at least) to attack the Antichrist and his empire. The Antichrist will attack Israel, hoping to kill the Jews and the Christians there. All of this is occurring during the time of the Tribulation, a 7 year period in which great judgments are being brought upon the world, in increasing intensity, by God. These are all outlined in the book of Revelation in the bowl, seal, and trumpet judgments. The final judgment brings the return of Jesus Christ, who, in an instant, delivers the nation of Israel and defeats the Antichrist. This ushers in the 5th (or 7th) world empire, the final one, which will last 1,000 years on this earth, and it will be a time of peace and prosperity for all. Isaiah describes this time, the millennium, in his book.
What leads to the Tribulation, which marks the beginning of it, is what is referred to as "the Rapture". This is God taking out of the world, and thus sparing from the judgments if those 7 years, those who have been "born again" by repenting from sin and trusting in Him wholeheartedly. A foreshadowing of this took place in Genesis, when Lot was spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah, and was taken out of the city and its suburbs before they completely destroyed. Or the example of the nation of Israel, and their settlement of Goshen, which was completely spared from the 10 plagues the Egyptians were struck with prior to the Exodus. Or even earlier than both of these examples, when the Flood was brought upon the entire wicked world, and Noah and his family were spared.
There are other prophecies and events, but to go into all of them in full detail takes time and space.
In an attempt to take control of the world, the Antichrist will promise peace and be a very persuasive leader, but his endgame is to conquer all and rule. His attempt will be successful at first. He will use political, religious, and economic unity of nations to bring into position a one world government. Politically, the union of nations (union of unions) will be necessary. Economically, one currency, and one world market and commerce system, will be employed. To control the thoughts of people, one religion, a massive ecumenical movement with the eventual false messiah worship of the Antichrist (similar to the Babylonian "mystery" religion, hence the usage of "Babylon" metaphorically in Revelation) will be employed.
That is not to say everyone will buy into the system the Antichrist sets up. Many will, but not all. The Jewish 144,000 converts at that time will not, nor will any of the new Christians at that time. And many people throughout the world won't either. Eventually, the eastern nations (possibly China and/or India) will mount a massive (1,000,000,000+ army, at least) to attack the Antichrist and his empire. The Antichrist will attack Israel, hoping to kill the Jews and the Christians there. All of this is occurring during the time of the Tribulation, a 7 year period in which great judgments are being brought upon the world, in increasing intensity, by God. These are all outlined in the book of Revelation in the bowl, seal, and trumpet judgments. The final judgment brings the return of Jesus Christ, who, in an instant, delivers the nation of Israel and defeats the Antichrist. This ushers in the 5th (or 7th) world empire, the final one, which will last 1,000 years on this earth, and it will be a time of peace and prosperity for all. Isaiah describes this time, the millennium, in his book.
What leads to the Tribulation, which marks the beginning of it, is what is referred to as "the Rapture". This is God taking out of the world, and thus sparing from the judgments if those 7 years, those who have been "born again" by repenting from sin and trusting in Him wholeheartedly. A foreshadowing of this took place in Genesis, when Lot was spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah, and was taken out of the city and its suburbs before they completely destroyed. Or the example of the nation of Israel, and their settlement of Goshen, which was completely spared from the 10 plagues the Egyptians were struck with prior to the Exodus. Or even earlier than both of these examples, when the Flood was brought upon the entire wicked world, and Noah and his family were spared.
There are other prophecies and events, but to go into all of them in full detail takes time and space.
yours truly
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apparently mary magdalene wrote the book of revelations, not john. apparently
and 666 isnt the sign of the beast, but the sign of man. man=6. god=7
666=nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect
and 666 isnt the sign of the beast, but the sign of man. man=6. god=7
666=nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect
I am inline with the theory that John was pissed that he was imprisoned @ Patmos so he wrote a death decree to everyone around him.
I'm sure that the Crusades looked like the end of the world for people @ those times. WWI, WWII, to many Iraqis it prob did so too.
I'm sure that the Crusades looked like the end of the world for people @ those times. WWI, WWII, to many Iraqis it prob did so too.
yours truly
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one scary thing, a lot of neo cons and other politicians, are end timers, maybe they know something we dont
Gee, I wonder how all the actual empires of the world during those times fit into this scheme, as opposed to only those known to ignorant zealots holed up in caves while they scribbled down crazy rantings?
A bunch of scientific and technologically crippled people thousands of years ago make a guess about how they think that the world is going to come to an end and it is still believed by billions as prophecy today. I'm still debating which group is the more ignorant, the former or the latter.
Every time I here someone recite this stuff, as if it were true, I'm reminded of kids talking about the characters and events in star trek as if it were true. It's kind of cute.
GagHalfrunt
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100 years from now this period will become known as the Pax Americana. Like the Roman empire before us our power has GREATLY diminished the amount of war worldwide. Most of the conflicts are little more than people throwing rocks at each other because nobody wants to take us on. You and your mom need a better understanding of history and a greater appreciation of the impact of cable TV.
GagHalfrunt
Lifer
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The Bible was 100% wrong on what had already happened, what make you think that it's going to be any more accurate about what might?
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