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Not just PRISM: NSA directly infiltrates Google and Yahoo Intranets and Data Centers

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ivwshane said:
Not really, unless you live in a bubble and think that anyone who doesn't think like you must be an evil liberal.

It's a known issue that our intelligence agencies are getting out of hand and are too big to be regulated effectively. What's funny is when people who are clueless about how the system works blame the wrong people and then wonder why things never change.

I myself am not interested in the blame game like our OP hack who hides behind "both sides are bad". Instead I prefer to discuss solutions to these problems, again, something the OP never offers up.

His posts are that of a whiner and add nothing to the discussion which is why I asked him what his point was. Of course he gave an answer of that of a five year old, "NSA bad"! What's ba about them? The spying? Who they spy on? How they spy? Lack of oversight? Lack of transparency?

Perhaps if he added more thought to a post when he creates a thread that consists of more than one sentence he might get a good discussion going. Instead we get more garbage responses that say the same thing, "NSA bad!".
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My answer was making fun of your obliviousness. And the fact that even that went over your head is frankly pretty hilarious. 😀

The discussion concerning the NSA has been ongoing for some time, I presume most here are at least somewhat familiar with the details.

By your logic if I posted a thread called "Red Sox up by 5 at the top of the 8th!" I would then have to explain who the Red Sox were, what "up by 5" means, what the world series is, what the Cardinals could do about it, and the basic rules of baseball.

In fact, you just proved that very point:
It's a known issue that our intelligence agencies are getting out of hand and are too big to be regulated effectively.
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So if you already know this, why do you want me to explain it to you?

In any case, this is a social forum. I might as well have been in a coffee shop with a TV, seen a headline, leaned over to another customer and said "hey, check this out!" And you'd be some irate customer who jumps down my throat because I didn't provide any additional commentary, whom I would incredulously stare at. 😀

You're scrambling to rationalize a stupid comment you made, and it shows. Badly. Here's a suggested solution for you: Stop trying so hard.
 
irishScott said:
My answer was making fun of your obliviousness. And the fact that even that went over your head is frankly pretty hilarious. 😀

The discussion concerning the NSA has been ongoing for some time, I presume most here are at least somewhat familiar with the details.

By your logic if I posted a thread called "Red Sox up by 5 at the top of the 8th!" I would then have to explain who the Red Sox were, what "up by 5" means, what the world series is, what the Cardinals could do about it, and the basic rules of baseball.

In fact, you just proved that very point:


So if you already know this, why do you want me to explain it to you?

In any case, this is a social forum. I might as well have been in a coffee shop with a TV, seen a headline, leaned over to another customer and said "hey, check this out!" And you'd be some irate customer who jumps down my throat because I didn't provide any additional commentary, whom I would incredulously stare at. 😀

You're scrambling to rationalize a stupid comment you made, and it shows. Badly. Here's a suggested solution for you: Stop trying so hard.
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So, again common knowledge. So what was your point? It would be like you telling everyone the score of a game at a bar when we are all watching the same game at the bar. No shit that's the score, we see it too!

Did you have anything to add to the common knowledge? Was there something about this new development that change something for you?

Again all you are is a fucking whiner, this country has enough whiners already.

But by all means continue your whinefest
It really adds a lot to the discussion.
 
ivwshane said:
So, again common knowledge. So what was your point? It would be like you telling everyone the score of a game at a bar when we are all watching the same game at the bar. No shit that's the score, we see it too!

Did you have anything to add to the common knowledge? Was there something about this new development that change something for you?

Again all you are is a fucking whiner, this country has enough whiners already.

But by all means continue your whinefest
It really adds a lot to the discussion.
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Perhaps you should read the article. It made the front page of the Washington Post for a reason.

And FYI if I'm a whiner, then you're doing nothing but whining about my whining. Hell by your definition journalism itself is nothing but whining. Delivering facts? Calling attention to new details other people may have missed? Pffft. What fucking whiners. 🙄
 
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irishScott said:
Perhaps you should read the article. It made the front page of the Washington Post for a reason.

And FYI if I'm a whiner, then you're doing nothing but whining about my whining. Hell by your definition journalism itself is nothing but whining. Delivering facts? Calling attention to new details other people may have missed? Pffft. What fucking whiners. 🙄
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I can read an article just like someone can look at the tv to get the score of the ball game. Are you here to just repeat shit you read? Because that's exactly what dmcowen does and he too adds a small quip about the story.

So again, what is your fucking point for posting this? Is this new to you and you thought everyone needs to know this? Are you upset about it and want people to discuss how to change it? Do you want people to justify it for you so you stop being mad?

My original question was pretty fucking simple but apparently simple is too much for you that you can't even answer the question.
 
Isn't this Google story in the OP new news as of today? From what I have read this level of NSA penetration is news to Google itself.

Given how many people around the globe use Google I think this is worthy of a thread. So quit your whining ivshane, you don't like it don't post ffs.

It's obvious why you are really upset with this, you aren't fooling anyone.
 
NSA's reach goes deeper than Google, Yahoo or some other internet company, they can directly snoop on internet backbones. For example, existance of AT&T's Room 641A was revealed back in 2006:

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gevorg said:
NSA's reach goes deeper than Google, Yahoo or some other internet company, they can directly snoop on internet backbones. For example, existance of AT&T's Room 641A was revealed back in 2006:

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Exactly, this is old news. The process may be different but the results are the same, so is the issue with how they are spying or with the fact that they are spying? Personally I think the latter is more important which is why I don't understand why the OP posted this story.

Maybe if he added more than a one scentence comment to the story...
 
ivwshane said:
I can read an article just like someone can look at the tv to get the score of the ball game. Are you here to just repeat shit you read? Because that's exactly what dmcowen does and he too adds a small quip about the story.

So again, what is your fucking point for posting this? Is this new to you and you thought everyone needs to know this? Are you upset about it and want people to discuss how to change it? Do you want people to justify it for you so you stop being mad?

My original question was pretty fucking simple but apparently simple is too much for you that you can't even answer the question.
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About 2/3 the former and 1/3 the latter. Would it have made you feel any better if I'd stated the obvious? I doubt it.

Mad? You're the pissed off one my friend, I just posted a breaking news article in a news forum; which is apparently anathema to you and no one else. This exchange is a nice diversion though. In between posts here I've been working on differential equation homework, and it's nice to be able to rest the math center of my brain every problem or two without firing up a video game that might suck me in too much; and hell someone's got to put your forum spittle to good use. 🙂
 
Maybe ivwshane doesn't understand the postit note diagram in the NSA slide. The news is where the smiley face is, that they are defeating the SSL encryption and restoring it, perhaps on the fly.

Regardless, for such "old news" you sure are worked up and butthurt. Then again, that isn't really the issue, right?
 
gevorg said:
NSA's reach goes deeper than Google, Yahoo or some other internet company, they can directly snoop on internet backbones. For example, existance of AT&T's Room 641A was revealed back in 2006:

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Yes but this is the first evidence of them directly tapping private corporate networks that are otherwise disconnected from the internet without even notifying the companies.

Bottom line being that even if you obtain some NSA-proof encryption scheme and manage to securely send said encrypted information to Google, Yahoo, etc, the NSA may not even need a national security letter or mass-surveillance to obtain that information.

We used to think the oversight was just weak, now in many cases (given the massive user-bases of Google and Yahoo combined) it may very well be literally non-existent.
 
irishScott said:
About 2/3 the former and 1/3 the latter. Would it have made you feel any better if I'd stated the obvious? I doubt it.

Mad? You're the pissed off one my friend, I just posted a breaking news article in a news forum; which is apparently anathema to you and no one else. This exchange is a nice diversion though. In between posts here I've been working on differential equation homework, and it's nice to be able to rest the math center of my brain every problem or two without firing up a video game that might suck me in too much; and hell someone's got to put your forum spittle to good use. 🙂
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Lol, I'm not mad at all. Just trying to figure out what your issue is with this new info you came across.

Thanks for the link! I'll have to check out this washingtonpost site/s
 
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davmat787 said:
Maybe ivwshane doesn't understand the postit note diagram in the NSA slide. The news is where the smiley face is, that they are defeating the SSL encryption and restoring it, perhaps on the fly.

Regardless, for such "old news" you sure are worked up and butthurt. Then again, that isn't really the issue, right?
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Ah so you are upset about how they do their spying...got it.


That smiley must have really pissed you off, most people would have just been pissed with the fact that they are spying on Americans.
 
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davmat787 said:
You have to be one of the most abrasive posters on here, willing to toss out personal insults just because the subject at hand makes you uncomfortable. That you think the issue irishScott raised is on par with a dmcowen thread further illustrates what a hack you are.
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This^^^^your intentions are quite obvious and exceedingly typical.
 
ivwshane said:
Not really, unless you live in a bubble and think that anyone who doesn't think like you must be an evil liberal.

It's a known issue that our intelligence agencies are getting out of hand and are too big to be regulated effectively. What's funny is when people who are clueless about how the system works blame the wrong people and then wonder why things never change.

I myself am not interested in the blame game like our OP hack who hides behind "both sides are bad". Instead I prefer to discuss solutions to these problems, again, something the OP never offers up.

His posts are that of a whiner and add nothing to the discussion which is why I asked him what his point was. Of course he gave an answer of that of a five year old, "NSA bad"! What's ba about them? The spying? Who they spy on? How they spy? Lack of oversight? Lack of transparency?

Perhaps if he added more thought to a post when he creates a thread that consists of more than one sentence he might get a good discussion going. Instead we get more garbage responses that say the same thing, "NSA bad!".
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Typical discussion content:
Insult
Bubble
You don't know how the system works
Goal posts
Strawman
Explain to the .0000009 degree
Did you read the government report
Selectively hear what I want
Bait and switch
Insult
Insult
Insult

....it's always a real pleasure
 
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Initially I wasn't sure what to make of Snowden and the leaks. On the one hand we need to be aware of what is going on, on the other side it damages legitimate efforts underway to stop the bad guys.

Now as more and more keeps coming out showing just how far the spying on us citizens goes, with just about every data location compromised, I have to conclude that Snowden's actions are vital and good for the country. We need to have the conversations around these activities, oversight, transparency and how the information is used. Without Snowden's leaked information, none of that would be possible.

ivwshane, stop acting like a whiny child. This stuff is going on under Obama's watch, just like it was under Bush, and others before him. Since Obama is currently in charge of the executive branch, he should be blamed for these activities. Considering his campaign promises of transparency and openness, I'd say he should be held to an even higher standard.
 
I would expect to see more Big Media emphasis on NSA spying of American allies and a de-emphasis on the NSA spying of everything you and I do or say on the internet or the telephone networks. The powers that be are going to want to deflect attention away from the idea that they're building a surveillance police state.
 
Double Trouble said:
Initially I wasn't sure what to make of Snowden and the leaks. On the one hand we need to be aware of what is going on, on the other side it damages legitimate efforts underway to stop the bad guys.

Now as more and more keeps coming out showing just how far the spying on us citizens goes, with just about every data location compromised, I have to conclude that Snowden's actions are vital and good for the country. We need to have the conversations around these activities, oversight, transparency and how the information is used. Without Snowden's leaked information, none of that would be possible.

ivwshane, stop acting like a whiny child. This stuff is going on under Obama's watch, just like it was under Bush, and others before him. Since Obama is currently in charge of the executive branch, he should be blamed for these activities. Considering his campaign promises of transparency and openness, I'd say he should be held to an even higher standard.
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Can you show me my post where I said Obama holds no blame?

And yes, Obama runs the executive branch but that doesn't mean he is aware of or approves every detail. Common sense will tell you that would be impossible to do for any one person so putting all the blame on him doesn't make sense. As you mentioned, this has been going on through many presidencies, that should tell you that this issue is bigger than the president. Congress and the intelligence committees are also to blame as well but again they aren't briefed on every detail either.

So there is plenty of blame to go around which is why playing the blame game is stupid. The real questions that should be asked are:

What level of national security are we Americans willing to live with and how much of our personal freedoms are we willing to give up to obtain that security?

Once we agree on that then we have to ask what security measures are we ok with the various intelligence agencies using?

And lastly, and very important in my opinion, how to we create a system that can be audited and checked for abuse and what will the punishment be for violations?
 
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