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Not just peple getting fat

JTsyo

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So it turns out there's some discussion among experts on why obesity is increasing. It might not be just a personal choice.

over the past 20 years or more, as the American people were getting fatter, so were America’s marmosets. As were laboratory macaques, chimpanzees, vervet monkeys and mice, as well as domestic dogs, domestic cats, and domestic and feral rats from both rural and urban areas. In fact, the researchers examined records on those eight species and found that average weight for every one had increased. The marmosets gained an average of nine per cent per decade. Lab mice gained about 11 per cent per decade. Chimps, for some reason, are doing especially badly: their average body weight had risen 35 per cent per decade. Allison, who had been hearing about an unexplained rise in the average weight of lab animals, was nonetheless surprised by the consistency across so many species. ‘Virtually in every population of animals we looked at, that met our criteria, there was the same upward trend,’ he told me.

It isn’t hard to imagine that people who are eating more themselves are giving more to their spoiled pets, or leaving sweeter, fattier garbage for street cats and rodents. But such results don’t explain why the weight gain is also occurring in species that human beings don’t pamper, such as animals in labs, whose diets are strictly controlled. In fact, lab animals’ lives are so precisely watched and measured that the researchers can rule out accidental human influence: records show those creatures gained weight over decades without any significant change in their diet or activities. Obviously, if animals are getting heavier along with us, it can’t just be that they’re eating more Snickers bars and driving to work most days. On the contrary, the trend suggests some widely shared cause, beyond the control of individuals, which is contributing to obesity across many species.

The bottom line to the article seems to be, we're not quite sure what's causing obesity so let's not waste money and increase government involvement doing things that might not help.
 

nixium

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Skimmed through the article but a couple of points:

One recent model estimated that eating a mere 30 calories a day more than you use is enough to lead to serious weight gain. Given what each person consumes in a day (1,500 to 2,000 calories in poorer nations; 2,500 to 4,000 in wealthy ones), 30 calories is a trivial amount

WTF 30 calories a day to weight gain and he goes on about 2500-4000?!!! The BMR of a sedentary individual is like 1800, add another 500 for sitting at a desk all day... even the lower range of that would add 200 calories a day, the upper a whopping 1500 calories. His pointi s ludicrous to say the least. Who the fuck says cutting 30 calories is going to help you lose weight?

Today’s priests of obesity prevention proclaim with confidence and authority that they have the answer. So did Bruno Bettelheim in the 1950s, when he blamed autism on mothers with cold personalities. So, for that matter, did the clerics of 18th-century Lisbon, who blamed earthquakes on people’s sinful ways. History is not kind to authorities whose mistaken dogmas cause unnecessary suffering and pointless effort, while ignoring the real causes of trouble. And the history of the obesity era has yet to be written."

Asking people to eat less and exercise more is "unnecessary suffering"? Fat shaming, I agree, is like bullying in some ways, but huge WTF about what the government is doing.
 

nixium

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And this whole lab animal BS is flawed too. What is different in the feed compared to those years? What about wild animals? those would be a true measure of whether there's an overall species wide obesity increase.
 

nixium

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This guy should go to China or Japan to see how his whole "boo hoo obesity is caused by the environment and other magical factors and not eating heedlessly" is horribly wrong.
 

lozina

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Fat people just dont want to admit its their own damn fault lol

Its my genes! Its the stress! Its the atmosphere! Its the gamma ray output of the nearest black hole!
 

luv2liv

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gotta find something or someone else to blame...
i wouldnt be surprised if these researchers are obese.
 

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And this whole lab animal BS is flawed too. What is different in the feed compared to those years? What about wild animals? those would be a true measure of whether there's an overall species wide obesity increase.

I read the article and was trying to see if they did a comparison to wild primates and couldn't find an example there. I agree that using lab animals as an example is extremely flawed. Not just the food type but also the amount and availability of it. Add in the environmental conditioning of a lab that was mentioned as condition for human obesitiy and the lack of exercise and it's no surprise.

Now if entire populations of wild animals were getting heavier that would be a considerable WTF???. Although you could probably trace that back to some change in the foodchain.
 

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As to something that I do agree with the article - yes, I do fully agree that there are environmental factors at play - the afore mentioned heating/cooling of our homes and workplaces. Chemicals that we indirectly/unintentionally injest, and overall stress levels are contributing. I do also beleive that there are some genetics at play that make it much harder than others to control weight or how they metabolize foods. I found the parts about the pre-natal starvation of the mother quite interesting and would like to see some more research into pre-natal factors that can affect obesitiy in offspring. But a lot of that can also be negated by nurture after birth and skewing results that don't necessarily show up in statistics.
 

purbeast0

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And this whole lab animal BS is flawed too. What is different in the feed compared to those years? What about wild animals? those would be a true measure of whether there's an overall species wide obesity increase.

yeah, i'm sure those lab animals locked in a 2x2 foot cage get JUST as much exercise as the wild animals running around in the wild.
 

JBT

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What do they feed all these lab animals? Corn? Grain products? or what they eat in the wild?
 

blackdogdeek

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I'm not saying it's due to aliens adding fattening agents to the atmosphere in order to make us tastier before the harvesting, but it's due to aliens adding fattening agents to the atmosphere in order to make us tastier before the harvesting.

And, I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
 

HendrixFan

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Processed foods.

All the animals included were lab animals, eating the same garbage most people with obesity eat these days.
 

swanysto

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I don't doubt that all the species in labs and households are getting bigger. The stuff that goes into livestock and the food we eat is not good. Dogs, mice, chimps, etc, are all eating food we give them. All the msg stuff and whatnot. They can't control that, however, WE can. I would say there is a percentage(just as a random guess 10%) of people who have genetic or birth reasons for being overweight, but the rest just don't have a lifestyle that allows them to be fit.
 

Murloc

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maybe it's all the hormones north americans use in the beef, which are banned in Europe.

Also pollution of potable water, and not just because of chemicals, but also because humans produce hormones and then piss them away.
 

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Good article. Obesity is a very big problem for today not only for people but for animals also.
 

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The real answer is that it's not just one thing. It's a lot like looking at Heathcare in the US and figuring out why it's so expensive. It's not just one thing that is causing it. There are dozens of factors at play that all feed off of each other.

Much like addressing healthcare costs, it's a focused effort at looking at all of these factors and completely readdressing how we approach it.

Let's face it. Many of our livestyles are absolute shit. We sit on our asses 8-12 hours a day. Fill ourselves up with processed foods with piles of crappy chemicals that aren't naturally in the raw ingredients. Stress over paying bills, our own weight, facebook drama, ect and then go to bed and sleep like crap because we are stressed out, overweight, ect. We mostly shun physical activity and we all do love our air conditioning and heat. Diet alone isn't going to fix it for a lot of people.
 
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TheUnk

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We have to remember when it comes to physical activity, aint nobody got time for dat. Hey who wants to buy the office donuts today?
 

JTsyo

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Carbs are the enemy.

That's what they said about calories and fat previously. Though guys I known that have gone on strict Paleo diets did lost a bunch of weight. But look at people from Asia, their diet is mainly rice and other carbs. There are things that can balance the carbs.