Not Enough Airflow to Cool My FX-55

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Aries64

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Originally posted by: NetDevil
I don`t think that putting the fan as an intake it would do any harm. The cold air will cool the cpu, motherboard,gpu,etc. You should buy a pci slot fan to exhaust the hot air because i don`t think that the psu can exhaust it all.
I think what Operandi said is a more accurate reflection of what I meant to say - that while "You may have been able to lower your CPU temp a bit but overall it's going to do more harm then good."

Why? Because with the only exhaust fan in the pulling air in instead of exhausting warm air as it was designed to do, now you have no effective way to exhaust warm from the inside of the case. Think about all the heat generated by the videocard, the CPU, and the hard drive and you'll realize thats quite a bit.

Assuming you have a 130nm FX-55 you are still within the AMD's Maximun Temp for the processor, although you are gettting close to the max of 63C. You need to get cooler air into the case but you also really should work on:

1.(a) Improving airflow inside the case. Cleanup that rat's nest of power cables blocking the airflow in the lower chamber. The 120mm intake not only cools the hard drive(s), but it is also supposed to supply cool air for the rest of the case. (Yeah, as I said before, not the most efficient design but you are further reducing the design efficiency even further).

1.(b) Change the (120mm) rear EXHAUST FAN back to being an exhaust unit.. Again, all that heat is just building up in your PC. Baking your components. You are asking for heat-related failures.

2. Reduce the heat buildup inside the case. That Zalman you have on your videocard is probably doing a great job cooling the GPU, but guess where is all that heat is going? Nowhere. Its staying in the upper portion of the case. There is probably a minimal amount of heat that actually escapes through the mesh at the back of the case. Place your hand above the mesh at the back after you've been gaming for an hour or so and you can feel slight heat, but not much.

So, what to do about the reducing the heat buildup? As I suggested before you can:
(a) Install an Arctic Cooling NV5 to blow the GPU heat out the back of the case. I realize that you already have a very efficient GPU cooler (looks like a Zalman VF-700 Cu?) on your videocard and that it is probably more efficient at cooling the GPU, but if you want to get the heat out of the case you should try the NV5. The AC Silencers are excellent at this.

(b) Fold and/or tie the SATA and power cables in the main compartment of your case to allow better air flow inside the main compartment. Yes, I do realize that there is no intake fan in that compartment - this makes clearing the main compartment even more important.

BTW, as Operandi noted you never stated what the ambient case and room temp are. If is really hot in your room (85F+) 61C on the CPU really isn't bad at all. Your Zalmans' ability to dissipate CPU and GPU heat to the air is seriously hampered if the ambient room (and case) temp is high to begin with.

However, if you room and case ambients aren't too high I think if you try what I suggested you'll notice lower ambient temps inside your case and a reduction of your FX-55 temps.

Good luck.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't see that you already tried an NV5 on your videocard and that it wouldn't fit with modding. That sucks. At least the Zalman cools the GPU nicely...
 

Deadalus

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Thanks for such a detailed reply!

I've already changed my rear fan back to an exhaust.

I ran Prime95 for 1 hour (with no errors) and my CPU got to 66c - could this mean that my ASUS A8N-SLI is actually reporting incorrect temps?

My CPU used to get to 59c MAX under load when I had a MSI K8N in the same case - with the same setup.

Perhaps the picure is deceiving, but my cables are really not blocking airflow IMHO, but I will tidy them up some more anyway.

Yeah I had already tried the NV5 on my 6800GT - it won't fit my XFX PCI-E card without some modding. It wasn't making proper contact with the GPU. Some others with the same card have had a similar problem.
 

CrispyFried

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Originally posted by: Aries64
Originally posted by: NetDevil
I don`t think that putting the fan as an intake it would do any harm. The cold air will cool the cpu, motherboard,gpu,etc. You should buy a pci slot fan to exhaust the hot air because i don`t think that the psu can exhaust it all.
I think what Operandi said is a more accurate reflection of what I meant to say - that while "You may have been able to lower your CPU temp a bit but overall it's going to do more harm then good."

Why? Because with the only exhaust fan in the pulling air in instead of exhausting warm air as it was designed to do, now you have no effective way to exhaust warm from the inside of the case. Think about all the heat generated by the videocard, the CPU, and the hard drive and you'll realize thats quite a bit.

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re: exaust as intake

The air will find a way out of the case, otherwise it wouldnt be able to be drawn in in the first place.

If it works, go with it. You can monitor HD and other temps with mbm or smartfan if thats a worry.

 

crimson117

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Originally posted by: Deadalus
Thanks for all the replies guys.

My case (system) internal temp is normally about 40 °c and my room is normally about 20 °c (give or take a few degrees).

The following LINK is a picture of the inside of my rig, so you can get an idea of the layout. Notice that the only intake fan is in the lower chamber opposite the hard-drive cages.

Thanks again.

That almost-mirror-image pic of the case is blowing my mind as I try to track your airflow :)

Hope I don't have a seisure setting up my P180 this weekend :)
 

wylecoyote

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I have a v1100B and thought I might give my two cents. Forgive me if any of this has been said already.

I have a 3000+ winnie @ 2.6ghz, with 1.55 volts so it's not too far of a stretch from your FX.

First of all, I think the V1100B is a utterly fantastic case... but it can have problems cooling. These, in my experience, are easily remedied.

The v1100B, in order to accomplish the goal of being as silent as possible, is pretty closed off to the outside environment. This can create an festering oven effect, and the single 120 mm fan, although whisper quiet, can be inadequate in moving the out air out. With a cooler like the zalman, you have air blowing down towards the motherboard, circulating around, going back down through the cooler, etc. This creates that oven effect.

With a cooler like the XP-120 of XP-90 from thermalright, you can set the fan to not blow down but suck out the top, pulling air away from the motherboard and CPU die. As the air is being sucked up throught the heatsink, it gets hot obviously... but as the air exits out through the fan, it finds itself right in the path of the exhaust fan's jetstream, and is immediately pulled out of the case.

If your motherboard is designed in a way that places the cpu a little further from the exhaust fan, a simple mod can be made out of a variety of materials around the house to manufacter a duct of sorts that channels the air from the cpu fan to the exhaust fan. This completely eliminates the oven effect. I've heard of this dropping degrees in the V1100b by 10c degrees. My winne runs at 26c idle and never breaks 35c on load. Even in LA.

Don't toss your case... in my opinion it's the absolute best on the market. I could go on for ages, but Lian-Li really has no equal. The hotly-anticipated p180 is Antec's response to Lian-Li's brilliant v1100 series. (I mean really, look at the p180... antec totally sniped the inverted mobo and thermal partitioning design). Change your cooler to the XP-120, or figure out a way to duct that hot CPU air right into the exhaust fan's jaws.

Might want to check this out too if you plan on sticking with the zalman...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article160-page2.html
 

Deadalus

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Thanks for the input wylecoyote. To be honest, I don't think I could ditch the case, I love it too!

I have an XP-120 on order, so we'll see what I can do once I've installed it and followed some of the advice given to me in this post...

Thanks again.
 

wylecoyote

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I just edited my post with a link on ducting the zalman... might be worth a read. Best of luck and let me know how it goes.
 

Dyloot

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Originally posted by: Deadalus
Thanks for the input wylecoyote. To be honest, I don't think I could ditch the case, I love it too!

I have an XP-120 on order, so we'll see what I can do once I've installed it and followed some of the advice given to me in this post...

Thanks again.

Make sure to go very, very easy on the AC. I have seen first hand on my own hardware and on friends' rigs what happens when you use too much of the stuff.

On a side note, Lian Li developed a PC-V1000 PLUS that includes a few extra features that target CPU and video card cooling. Check 'em out:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/cases/200/7/

This will be my next case, as soon as I decide to blow $300 to buy a modded one at performance-pcs.com. =)

Dyloot
 

wylecoyote

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Yeah, good point Dyloot. The new plus models have ducting to the exhaust fan... just what I was talking about 4 posts up. Seriously, if you think it out, this case can stay cool with the best of them. And at 1/3 of the noise level.
 
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leave your fan near the psu as intake it should get enoguh fresh air that psu exhaust wont hurt it, but put some exhaust fans in those spare pci slots.
 

Deadalus

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Thanks again for all the replies guys! I'll let you know how I get on, I'm going to try and sort it all out next weekend.