Not a troll/flame: Android fans - Now what is missing?

[MotionMan]

I'm not trying to troll/flame, for real guys, but Android ICS already offers more than what is coming in iOS 6, and ICS will be 1 year old by the time iOS 6 comes out this fall.

Another way of putting it: if you want to preview iOS 7 a year early, buy a Nexus loaded with Jelly Bean this Christmas from Google.

PS: I'm not trolling guys.

PPS: Seriously. Guys.

We already knew that there were features in ICS that iOS5 did not have (that was sort of the basis for the OP). Your chart confirms that, but does not answer the question about what is missing from iOS6 as compared to ICS.

On page one (for some) is the list I compiled right before this thread went in the shitter. Is there anything missing from that list?

MotionMan (<--Seriously not a troll)

 

[lothar]

It is a valid criticism of Android, though. If you care about getting updates in a timely manner, it really does restrict the number of devices that you can choose from.

That's not a valid criticism.
iOS also restricts the number of devices one can choose from. How many phone devices can one buy today running iOS?

If one does not care about the number of devices one can choose from on iOS, why should one care about the number of devices one can choose on Android?

 

[dagamer34]

That's not a valid criticism.
iOS also restricts the number of devices one can choose from. How many phone devices can one buy today running iOS?

If one does not care about the number of devices one can choose from on iOS, why should one care about the number of devices one can choose on Android?

Er... that's not the point he's making. If you don't want to buy a phone that you have to wait 6 months to get an update, you must get a Nexus. Any iPhone you buy today that's fully supported will get an update the same day as Apple's latest phone.

 

[basslover1]

Er... that's not the point he's making. If you don't want to buy a phone that you have to wait 6 months to get an update, you must get a Nexus. Any iPhone you buy today that's fully supported will get an update the same day as Apple's latest phone.

Minus a feature or two...

:whiste:

 

[Mopetar]

That's not a valid criticism.

How is it not?

Seriously, if you want reliable updates, stick with the Nexus line. If you're willing to use custom ROMs you can stick with devices that can be unlocked.

Otherwise you're stuck waiting on updates and it's completely out of your control. If that's not a big deal for you, then buy whatever you want.

iOS also restricts the number of devices one can choose from.

A valid criticism of Apple, doesn't somehow remove a valid criticism of Android.

If one does not care about the number of devices one can choose from on iOS, why should one care about the number of devices one can choose on Android?

Hmm... It's almost as though people might have different priorities that influence their purchase decisions. Want to ensure you always have the most recent update? Avoid a large number of Android phones. Want something with a screen larger than 3.5"? Don't get an iPhone.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Seriously, if you want reliable updates, stick with the Nexus line. If you're willing to use custom ROMs you can stick with devices that can be unlocked.

The problem with that is that users aren't informed enough to know that.

 

[Mopetar]

The problem with that is that users aren't informed enough to know that.

What's your point?

 

[AstroManLuca]

The problem with that is that users aren't informed enough to know that.

Most users aren't even informed enough to know the difference between one version of Android and another. The only trouble is that sometimes bugs go unfixed for a very long period of time because of the slow updates.

 

[lothar]

Er... that's not the point he's making. If you don't want to buy a phone that you have to wait 6 months to get an update, you must get a Nexus. Any iPhone you buy today that's fully supported will get an update the same day as Apple's latest phone.

So why was he talking about the restriction on the number of devices(Nexus) one can choose from on Android if you want the latest updates like its a negative thing or something?
It's obviously not a negative for iOS because you have an artificial restriction on the number of devices you can choose from there as well.

If choosing 1 from 3 out of 3 iOS devices is not considered a restriction, I fail to see how choosing 1 from 2 different Nexuses out of 100+ Android devices is a restriction.

If I go to a car dealer(Apple Automobiles) and I tell them I want silver(or in this case, "the latest OS updates") and they only have 3 cars on the lot but they're all silver versus another car dealer(Android Automobiles) that has 100 cars with only 2 silver ones, is that really any different?
You're still getting the silver color that you wanted(or in this case, the latest Android updates) rather than waiting 6 months or a year for the car dealer to order your color(or in this case, waiting 6-12 months for the manufacturer and carriers to deliver the update).

Google has also announced a change in it's Nexus policy. You don't get to chose between only 2(Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus) Nexus models any longer. You will soon now get to choose one from each manufacturer.

Again choosing between 3 out of 3 iOS phones and choosing between 2 out 100 or 5+(Samsung, LG, HTC, Moto, and Sony would all have their own Nexus lines yearly if Google's new idea pans out) out of 100 Android devices to get the latest updates isn't any different. You still have only 2 or 3 devices to pick from.

Either way there is still an artificial restriction between both OSes. It's either a valid criticism for both iOS and Android, or it isn't for either one of them.

There may be more junk on Android for those that want the junk, but one can't invalidate the fact that the same exact opportunity is still there to get the latest updates.
Now if you're talking about going to a casino blindfolded and selecting 3 out of 3 vs. selecting 2 out of 100, the odds are completely different but no one on this forum goes in blindfolded, right? Everyone here knows what a Nexus is, so this isn't news.

 

[lothar]

The problem with that is that users aren't informed enough to know that.

Why exactly should that matter to you? People are able to spend their money however they wish.
If there's anyone here in this thread that doesn't know about Android's Nexus device line, raise your hand.

If you know a different safe route, just because 99 lemmings are jumping off a bridge doesn't mean you should as well.
You know a route exists to get the latest Android updates. Use it.

 

[zsdersw]

It is a valid criticism of Android, though. If you care about getting updates in a timely manner, it really does restrict the number of devices that you can choose from.

No it's not.. it's a criticism of the phone manufacturers. If you want an iOS device you're restricted in the number of devices you can choose from as well.

If you want Android updates in a timely manner you can choose from a couple of phones. If you want iOS updates in a timely manner you can choose from a couple of phones.

Yes, but they're not waiting for some company to push them out. Google seems to be slipping into a fairly regular update cycle now, so it's fairly predictable as to when those updates will come out, provided they continue to make the source code available.

It's the device manufacturers/carriers that are the main hold up for everyone else, but as I pointed out, it really doesn't appear to have a severely adverse impact on usability and the vast majority of customers don't appear to care.

None of which is a criticism of Android.. but of how phone manufacturers use and implement it.

 

[zsdersw]

How is it not?

Because Android is an open platform that device manufacturers can implement in a way of their own choosing.

Android can be had in its pure, unaltered form in the Nexus line of phones for those who want it. If there was no such way to get Android you'd have a valid criticism of Android. Since there is, though, your criticism is of phone manufacturers, not Android.

A valid criticism of Apple, doesn't somehow remove a valid criticism of Android.

You have not presented a valid criticism of Android.

 

[zsdersw]

Bullshit. I tried to keep this from becoming the typical iOS vs. Android thread. When that became impossible, I asked FOLLOW-UP questions to the issues being raised BY OTHERS.

All I asked in the OP was about things that Android fans thought were missing from iOS6. It was others who brought up all the other crap.

Check your facts.

MotionMan

No you didn't. Your OP was written in a typical iOS v. Android thread style with wording and connotation to match... by someone that is clearly an Apple fan.

 

[MotionMan]

No you didn't. Your OP was written in a typical iOS v. Android thread style with wording and connotation to match... by someone that is clearly an Apple fan.

Try reading it like it was written by someone who was asking an honest question.

MotionMan

 

[zsdersw]

Try reading it like it was written by someone who was asking an honest question.

MotionMan

If you were asking an honest question you wouldn't address the question to Android "fans".

 

[pm]

I'm locking this thread. I don't see this as a productive discussion any more.

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