NOT A JOKE: Why Trump Will Win

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Do you really think the conservative press cares and is taking him to task or do you think it's because the Right really doesn't want Trump to be POTUS and would rather appear to care so they can get/maintain more seats in Congress along with getting their Corp whore buddy Billary elected (who they can live with)?

I think it's much more the latter than the former...

Honestly, I do not know. Either way, drumpf is being taken to task, and hopefully fully exposed for the scheming, manipulating, lying sack of crap he is.

 

[Moonbeam]

Your talk of trees and gear boxes moves me not. Transmission? What's the frequency, Kenneth?



You can propitiate the Great Proboscis all you want, the big bad orange bogeyman would still beat Bernie once the right wing hate machine started in on that Jew Socialist. Trust me, I've got a nose for these things.



It's your America, too, Moonie. Once the Koch brothers faced Bernie on the ticket, they'd pull out all the stops. Their strict German nanny taught them all they ever needed to know about Jew boy socialists. Did you know Bernie crushed Vince Foster's skull with a hammer and sickle topped menorah . . . on Christmas? Disgusting!

Geez, look how much you hate Hilary Clinton, and she's fully Aryan. Do you even understand the true undercurrent that allows you to hate "Corrupt Hilary" so much? Corrupt Hilary, Corrupt Hilary, Corrupt Hilary.

How about Bolshevik Bernie, Bolshevik Bernie, Bolshevik Bernie, the Altar Boy Buggerer? I hear he drinks the blood of slaughtered Christian babies each and every night. I think I read it in a blog. Maybe it was Facebook. Point is, everyone knows its true.

I edited my post above.

What you nose I don't nose, but with the bitterness of your vision I understand why you would settle. I'm so sorry. I died of grief and my cup of tears turned into a sieve.

 

[werepossum]

Gotta say, there's some decent discourse in this thread. :thumbsup: I may not agree with you possum, but you generally lay it out cleanly, and accurately. I think your inner tree-hugger's trying to get out 😛

If for some horrible reason drumpf does get elected, we will be fine, there will be no wall, it's a financial and logical impossibility, the illegal immigration issue will get looked at, but at a granular level (arresting individuals rather than severely punishing companies that do hire illegals), and that will be met with endless litigation, which will bog things down even further, and he may alienate us from some of our allies, but hopefully no wars. He will do nothing about isis, save for maybe a few covert military assaults.
That's about it. I am stumped as to what will happen with the economy, it could leap or tank. I have no idea on that one, he's picked too many fights with too many things to win them. DC's machinery moves slowly, really, really, really slowly.
Slaves were freed in 1863, and it took over 100 years, and countless tries to have African Americans viewed as equals in the eyes of the law and land. The shit drumpf is postulating about ain't happening in 8 years and it sure as shit ain't happening in 4.


edit: holy shitsnacks, that first sentence is a monster run on. gonna leave it as is, warts and all.

Thanks. I too have no idea what the economy would do under Trump. He has an understanding of and an appreciation of capitalism, but his flightiness might discourage the investments he claims to want. With Hillary it would be business as usual, though with a buttload more protection money paid to the Clinton Family Foundation. I doubt she would favor American businesses, but hopefully they could at least bid on equal footing.

I got curious and started visiting major conservative websites this morning to see what the general feeling was about Trump.

RedState.com - Trump Doubles Down on Racist Attacks Against Gonzalo Curiel (VIDEO)



The Blaze - Trump’s Personal Attacks on Hispanic Judge in Trump University Lawsuit Concern Legal Experts



Fox News - Trump playing with fire with attacks on Trump U judge?

The above is a video of Trump's repeated comments about the judge in question. It's "neutral" from the on-air host's perspective, but both guests on the clip are anti-Trump.

The GOP establishment despises Trump much more than they despise Hillary. It's his only real attraction as far as I am concerned.

the problem with declaring that all money is equal in the defense of free speech is to reject founding father's notions via Federalist Papers, as well as 200+ years of SCOTUS precedent rulings that the unmatched sums of money in corporatist hands inevitably draws the US government into oligarchy.

It is undeniable. If one didn't already believe that were the case, the reality is now all the more explicit.

Even if this were somehow tolerable in a democratic society, the non-competitive nature of such influence would likely not be as distasteful if this very same ruling also allowed for untraceable routes through which this unending money could flow.

Do you not agree that, at the very least, your now legalized monied masters should be forced into the open? Don't you want to explicitly know the identities of those so-called "free speech" proponents?

Government is far too powerful and intrusive to drive money out of politics. One's industry and company now exist at the whim of government, which can make your industry no longer economically feasible or grant a competitor a marked advantage through legislation or even just the whim of the bureaucracy, as witnessed by the war on coal, numerous tax breaks and ACA exemptions, and the war on electronic cigarettes. Investing a great deal of many into a venture without buying politicians' favor is no longer a responsible thing to do. At best, one might drive money entirely to secondary areas such as the Clinton Family Foundation and approved sources such as teachers' and labor unions. Should that happen, the two parties and the mainstream media would have exclusive control over the political news most people access. I see that as a very, very harmful thing to our society, especially if the Dems gain sufficient power to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

Theoretically I very much prefer that everyone contributing to PACs be identified. Practically, the IRS scandal shows why this is no longer practical. Any major Republican donors WILL be harassed by government action and by affiliated private groups. Already prominent conservatives face being audited every year that has a Democrat President. I do not wish that to become even more a limiting factor driving us into single party government. In this case, unfortunately identifying all the players causes more corruption, not less.

It's also worth noting that my "legalized monied masters" as you call them have tried their utmost, from left and right, to destroy Trump. Even with the help of the mainstream news media, on both sides, they have failed. I much prefer risking the corrosive effect of unrestrained outside money to risking the effect of the two parties and the media (which on both sides is pretty much aligned with the party's leadership) having even more control.

 

[werepossum]

I edited my post above.

What you nose I don't nose, but with the bitterness of your vision I understand why you would settle. I'm so sorry. I died of grief and my cup of tears turned into a sieve.

It's not settling. He is so convinced that the right is evil that he actively seeks out evil on the left to best oppose it.

 

[Perknose]

I edited my post above.

Lol, my friend, I'm thinking unedited talk to text.

What you nose I don't nose, but with the bitterness of your vision I understand why you would settle. I'm so sorry. I died of grief and my cup of tears turned into a sieve.

Projection much? I'm not bitter at all, buy you sure are. Your bitterness cracks your mirror and distorts what you see. You dance to the hate whistle of right wing propaganda and only think, "What a lovely tune I hear." Don't believe me? Here's you, in your own words, joining the bitter hate chorus while grinning like a chimp:

So who do the democrats nominate in their torpor but a candidate who has sought the job for years and years to be the first woman president to fulfill her dream of glory.

To fulfill her dream of [personal] glory? NO ONE on any side who climbs the ladder to get that close to the highest office of the land does not have some degree of hubris.

Yet that is how, in your bitter, ugly anger, you chose to describe the young women who took her fancy, big ticket Yale law degree and turned her back on the big bucks and bigger influence to co-found the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families two years before her husband became governor. She was then appointed the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation in 1978, again before her husband became governor. Legal Services, you know, the chronically underfunded advocates for those too poor to have the ghost of a fighting chance in our legal system.

Yet you choose to describe her as an evil glory hound, this woman who took her very first chance to do something on the national stage and used it to try to get national health care passed. What a bitch!

Your bitter, ugly anger has allowed you to talk about "us liberals" as having stuck a knife in democracy, ignoring the FACT the 3 million MORE Americans have chosen Hilary over Bernie as their choice to run for President, that Hilary has gotten more votes from the people than any candidate on either side during this primary process.

Here, I'll let someone else explain this to you.

I love and admire you, Moonie, I really do. We have talked on the phone, and I am one of the few here who knows you are a 17 year old girl about to enter Vassar in real life. :biggrin:

But you have allowed your bitter anger to give you a hall pass to join the concerted, well funded, more than a decade old attempt to bring down Hilary Clinton by any means possible. Ask yourself why these regressives fear her so, and you will have your answer as to why I am supporting her.

 

[chucky2]

That's great and all, but it isn't genuine, it's all for Politics. A bored backseat wife with a massive ego setting up the record so she could go play with the boys one day.

Billary doesn't care about poor people, she's proven that beyond any doubt. Well, she cares about their votes, and of course like most Dem Politicians, she cares about their plight so she can get other votes talking about bettering it. But, actually care? <insertwhereisthatscreamlaughgif?>

 

[chucky2]

Honestly, I do not know. Either way, drumpf is being taken to task, and hopefully fully exposed for the scheming, manipulating, lying sack of crap he is.

But what if it's true that it's true? What will that make him? A male Billary with less Billary baggage?

Also, who is this drumpf I keep seeing referred to?

 

[yllus]

The GOP establishment despises Trump much more than they despise Hillary. It's his only real attraction as far as I am concerned.

It's not just the establishment (and the writers of RedState.com are hardly that). Read the comments.

Donald Trump is going to lose this election.

 

[jackstar7]

That's great and all, but it isn't genuine, it's all for Politics. A bored backseat wife with a massive ego setting up the record so she could go play with the boys one day.

Billary doesn't care about poor people, she's proven that beyond any doubt. Well, she cares about their votes, and of course like most Dem Politicians, she cares about their plight so she can get other votes talking about bettering it. But, actually care? <insertwhereisthatscreamlaughgif?>

Can you just quick link to your proof?

I imagine that it is easily referenced given your certitude, so please share with the class that we all may see more clearly.

 

[Blackjack200]

Ya know... this may be a turning point. I am in no way saying it is, because drumpf has had incidents in his campaign that would have ended and have ended many, many others campaign. But this time the conservative press is on him and hard. Here's hoping this is that proverbial straw.

It does feel different this time. Here's a good writeup:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-covering-donald-trump-he-may-not-survive-it/

(Paste the headline into Google and follow the link from the search results if you run into the paywall)

I think there was some hope on the right that after Trump secured the nomination he would moderate a bit and that just hasn't happened. Here' John McCain's astonishing comments on Trump.

“I still believe we have the institutions of government that would restrain someone who seeks to exceed their constitutional obligations,” McCain said. “We have a Congress. We have the Supreme Court. We’re not Romania,” he added, according to nytimes.com.

“Our institutions, including the press, are still strong enough to prevent” unconstitutional acts, he said.

Thanks. I too have no idea what the economy would do under Trump. He has an understanding of and an appreciation of capitalism, but his flightiness might discourage the investments he claims to want. With Hillary it would be business as usual, though with a buttload more protection money paid to the Clinton Family Foundation. I doubt she would favor American businesses, but hopefully they could at least bid on equal footing.

Whatever you think of his business record in real estate, it's a narrow slice of the overall American economy, and I'm not sure how you can say "he has an understanding and an appreciation of capitalism".

I doubt Clinton would have that much of an impact on the economy (I don't think Obama actually did either), she would likely appoint similar people to key posts that Obama did. With Trump it's a little harder to tell.

 

[Moonbeam]

Lol, my friend, I'm thinking unedited talk to text.



Projection much? I'm not bitter at all, buy you sure are. Your bitterness cracks your mirror and distorts what you see. You dance to the hate whistle of right wing propaganda and only think, "What a lovely tune I hear." Don't believe me? Here's you, in your own words, joining the bitter hate chorus while grinning like a chimp:



To fulfill her dream of [personal] glory? NO ONE on any side who climbs the ladder to get that close to the highest office of the land does not have some degree of hubris.

Yet that is how, in your bitter, ugly anger, you chose to describe the young women who took her fancy, big ticket Yale law degree and turned her back on the big bucks and bigger influence to co-found the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families two years before her husband became governor. She was then appointed the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation in 1978, again before her husband became governor. Legal Services, you know, the chronically underfunded advocates for those too poor to have the ghost of a fighting chance in our legal system.

Yet you choose to describe her as an evil glory hound, this woman who took her very first chance to do something on the national stage and used it to try to get national health care passed. What a bitch!

Your bitter, ugly anger has allowed you to talk about "us liberals" as having stuck a knife in democracy, ignoring the FACT the 3 million MORE Americans have chosen Hilary over Bernie as their choice to run for President, that Hilary has gotten more votes from the people than any candidate on either side during this primary process.

Here, I'll let someone else explain this to you.

I love and admire you, Moonie, I really do. We have talked on the phone, and I am one of the few here who knows you are a 17 year old girl about to enter Vassar in real life. :biggrin:

But you have allowed your bitter anger to give you a hall pass to join the concerted, well funded, more than a decade old attempt to bring down Hilary Clinton by any means possible. Ask yourself why these regressives fear her so, and you will have your answer as to why I am supporting her.

Well done. Thanks.

 

[Muse]

Trump might win, but the guy really is a joke. I watched Zoolander last night, of course Trump is one of the 20 some people in it appearing as themself. He has a joke line. Now look, his answer to everything is just over the top, virtually a joke:

Islamic terrorism threat? Don't let Muslims into the country.

Illegal immigration from Mexico? Build a wall... and make Mexico pay for it.

US jobs going overseas? 35% tariff.

Horrible drought in the west? There's no drought, there's only foolish misguided environmentalists protecting a 3 inch fish.

Global warming a threat to humanity and the global ecosystem? It's a hoax.

Don't like how things are going? Let's make America great again.

You have an opponent? Call them classless, ugly, unpresidential, should be put in jail, I'll put her in jail if I become president.

But what do you expect? Like Dylan said, "money doesn't talk, it swears."

I don't know what he'd do as president but one thing I'm pretty sure of... he'd make some really big mistakes, a lot of them.

Of course he'll win. Americans are super pissed off.

But that's no reason to vote for an ass.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It does feel different this time. Here's a good writeup:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-covering-donald-trump-he-may-not-survive-it/

(Paste the headline into Google and follow the link from the search results if you run into the paywall)

I think there was some hope on the right that after Trump secured the nomination he would moderate a bit and that just hasn't happened. Here' John McCain's astonishing comments on Trump.





Whatever you think of his business record in real estate, it's a narrow slice of the overall American economy, and I'm not sure how you can say "he has an understanding and an appreciation of capitalism".

I doubt Clinton would have that much of an impact on the economy (I don't think Obama actually did either), she would likely appoint similar people to key posts that Obama did. With Trump it's a little harder to tell.

That is a very good read and if the stupid press did their jobs 6 months ago we wouldn't be in this mess now. drumpf being drumpf makes him unelectable, it always has.

 

[waggy]

Trump might win, but the guy really is a joke. I watched Zoolander last night, of course Trump is one of the 20 some people in it appearing as themself. He has a joke line. Now look, his answer to everything is just over the top, virtually a joke:

Islamic terrorism threat? Don't let Muslims into the country.

Illegal immigration from Mexico? Build a wall... and make Mexico pay for it.

US jobs going overseas? 35% tariff.

Horrible drought in the west? There's no drought, there's only foolish misguided environmentalists protecting a 3 inch fish.

Global warming a threat to humanity and the global ecosystem? It's a hoax.

Don't like how things are going? Let's make America great again.

You have an opponent? Call them classless, ugly, unpresidential, should be put in jail, I'll put her in jail if I become president.

But what do you expect? Like Dylan said, "money doesn't talk, it swears."

I don't know what he'd do as president but one thing I'm pretty sure of... he'd make some really big mistakes, a lot of them.But that's no reason to vote for an ass.

sure he is an ass. I think he is running because of his ego and it will inflate his bank account.

BUT while he is a ass Hillary is a not any better. I find it hard ot beleive a damn word she says. IF she got on tV and said the Sky was blue i would have to go outside and check.

both are slimy. One is a career politician and one is a unethical business man.

 

[chucky2]

Can you just quick link to your proof?

I imagine that it is easily referenced given your certitude, so please share with the class that we all may see more clearly.

Sure man, no problem! Just Google for any video of Billary talking about how many "immigrants" we need to keep and/or let in, who directly compete with people here who are hard up for jobs/wages, and you'll have what you're looking for. It's funny isn't it? Billary is running for POTUnitedStates, and she's fucking over her own people - the ones who need help the most no less - in favor of non-citizens. Now, why do you think that is? Deflection in 3, 2, ...

 

[feralkid]

I find it hard ot beleive a damn word she says. IF she got on tV and said the Sky was blue i would have to go outside and check.

Only because you've been programmed to hate her by the best of the best.

 

[Moonbeam]

Only because you've been programmed to hate her by the best of the best.

Sure it is. A big problem however, is that every American has been steeped in the same propaganda for decades. They would have to start fresh with Sanders and he reacts with electrophying passion. They have much farther and much less time to drag him down.

 

[chucky2]

Only because you've been programmed to hate her by the best of the best.

Hey don't be too hard on waggy, he was under some sustained sniper fire for a while, that can rattle most anyone, especially when the hot sauce you conveniently carry around with you get hit and you think it's your own blood. F'ing snipers, they're everywhere! 😱

 

[sportage]

This Trump thing and that Mexican judge issue, at least a Mexican judge in Donald's mind, reminds me of something. A comparison from another time in history.

Yep, I'm going to say it.
Get ready...
ADOLF HITLER.
Adolf Hitler and his coming to power.
Both Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump despise at least one single segment of society.
For Adolf the Jews. For Donald the hispanics.

Both Adolf and Donald could do little about their hatred, that was not until given the power and having been given the power by the people.

Adolf wanted to construct camps. Trump, construct a wall.
Both shared the desire to "contain" their problem.
Both fully believed in deportation.
However.... Adolf eventually found it much more effective to simply eliminate rather than deport.
And we should ask, if deportation and the Trump wall failed to do the job, then what might Donald consider next?

There are a lot of similarities between these two world leaders.
They both blamed a single segment of society for their nations woes, and both were hell bent on addressing it.
And without that enabling power given by the people, neither would have ever had their opportunity.

I truly doubt one single German citizen that supported Adolf in the beginning believed Adolf would be capable of doing what Adolf actually ended up doing.
And the same goes for Trump.
Concentration camps, deportation, and walls go hand in hand.
Adolf just took it to the next level.
No one really knows the level president Trump might take it to.
But the obvious blatant similarities in personalities between the two certainly should give people that clue.

 

[Muse]

sure he is an ass. I think he is running because of his ego and it will inflate his bank account.

BUT while he is a ass Hillary is a not any better. I find it hard ot beleive a damn word she says. IF she got on tV and said the Sky was blue i would have to go outside and check.

both are slimy. One is a career politician and one is a unethical business man.

I understand that Hilary doesn't inspire confidence in her integrity, it's terribly regrettable. In any case, I think that among the two she's the less dangerous.

 

[Mai72]

This Trump thing and that Mexican judge issue, at least a Mexican judge in Donald's mind, reminds me of something. A comparison from another time in history.

Yep, I'm going to say it.
Get ready...
ADOLF HITLER.
Adolf Hitler and his coming to power.
Both Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump despise at least one single segment of society.
For Adolf the Jews. For Donald the hispanics.

Both Adolf and Donald could do little about their hatred, that was not until given the power and having been given the power by the people.

Adolf wanted to construct camps. Trump, construct a wall.
Both shared the desire to "contain" their problem.
Both fully believed in deportation.
However.... Adolf eventually found it much more effective to simply eliminate rather than deport.
And we should ask, if deportation and the Trump wall failed to do the job, then what might Donald consider next?

There are a lot of similarities between these two world leaders.
They both blamed a single segment of society for their nations woes, and both were hell bent on addressing it.
And without that enabling power given by the people, neither would have ever had their opportunity.

I truly doubt one single German citizen that supported Adolf in the beginning believed Adolf would be capable of doing what Adolf actually ended up doing.
And the same goes for Trump.
Concentration camps, deportation, and walls go hand in hand.
Adolf just took it to the next level.
No one really knows the level president Trump might take it to.
But the obvious blatant similarities in personalities between the two certainly should give people that clue.

The Jews were blamed because they wielded a lot of power in Germany during the time when Germany was in poor financial standing. They were the doctors, bankers, lawyers, entrepreneurs, professors, and so on. They had much of the money in Germany. They were also an easy target so Hitler blamed much of Germany's troubles on the Jews. They were an easy scapegoat.

The Mexicans on the other hand are the complete opposite. They are at the bottom in regard to income, education and social standing. They do the work that many Americans refuse to do.

Hitler and his cronies had full control of Germany. Trump doesn't have full control. He will have to contend with SCOTUS, Congress and the American public. IMO, it's ridiculous to say that both are very similar. Trump might be racist but he's no Adolf. Not even close. Much of what Trump does is for shock value.

 

[DrPizza]

sure he is an ass. I think he is running because of his ego and it will inflate his bank account.

BUT while he is a ass Hillary is a not any better. I find it hard ot beleive a damn word she says. IF she got on tV and said the Sky was blue i would have to go outside and check.

both are slimy. One is a career politician and one is a unethical business man.

Which one is a career politician? Do you have facts to support that??

 

[Zorkorist]

It's true that people don't care, but the reason is because in general things are fine for the average person. Most outrage these days is manufactured and over-hyped.

The reason the average person doesn't care is that we keep spending into debt, and ignoring (monetary) problems.

I think my portion of the debt has surpassed $60,000.

The total debt is project to reach 20 Trillion, this year.

The liabilities our Government has signed up for, less projected revenue, (the fiscal gap), is 200 Trillion dollars.

We have to get the government to have fiscal responsibility, and that begins, with a balanced budget.

Neither the republicans, nor the democrats, are talking about the budget.

-John

 

[chucky2]

Which one is a career politician? Do you have facts to support that??

What. The. F*ck... ???

 

[Zorkorist]

OBV he's supporting Donald Trump.

-John