Northwest "heat dome" signals global warming's march

[Vic]

West side of Portland here. For two days stepping outside was like getting blasted with a hair dryer.

We had tons of birds, squirrels etc congregating around the waterfalll in our backyard. Craziness.

Yep. Back to back 115 degree days here was just crazy considering the previous all-time record high was 107 back in 1981.

 

[Vic]

Don't you know, God has a plan for us. Why change it.

"God's plan" for that crowd is going to be to blame the liberals, when the shit really hits the fan, for not doing enough to stop them.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I did not think it was possible for the Seattle area to have temps @ or around 110F. The high temperature is measured at Sea-Tac Airport which is technically not part of Seattle. Boeing Field is always 2-3F warmer than Sea-Tac. If you go east of Puget Sound 5-15 miles, you can add 5-10F to the high temperatures. It got up to 113-114F at my house on the hottest day.

 

[woolfe9998]

Blue ocean event in 10, oceanic ecosystem collapse in another 20, humans limping for another 50-80 at most. Pocket civilizations will exist from that point onward.

Edit: the above is assuming there isn't a thermonuclear war at some point in between. I'm assuming nobody does anything but what we're doing, plus some token tree planting and 'new recycling' measures, or whatever.

And these predictions are based on what science?

From what I've read, the apocalyptic scenario you are describing is on the outer edge of what is possible and is not a mainstream prediction of the scientific community.

Taking outlier predictions and arguing that it's too late is both anti-science and destructive because all it does is encourage inaction.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

And these predictions are based on what science?

From what I've read, the apocalyptic scenario you are describing is on the outer edge of what is possible and is not a mainstream prediction of the scientific community.

Taking outlier predictions and arguing that it's too late is both anti-science and destructive because all it does is encourage inaction.

Citation:

ArcticDeathSpiral.org

Arctic Death Spiral: we've melted the Arctic sea ice by burning fossil fuels; positive feedback means global warming will continue even if we end CO2 emissions

www.arcticdeathspiral.org

Estimating first blue ocean event at 2030, and I honestly won't be surprised if it's sooner.

Ocean acidification is inevitable at this point, I'm estimating that timelines will be much advanced from existing predictions (due to unknown unknowns), but are based on charts such as this:

Citation:

Lucrative crab industry in danger | Sea Change | The Seattle Times

Scientists fear ocean acidification will drive the collapse of Alaska's iconic crab fishery.

apps.seattletimes.com

The rest is a logical progression from there. Ocean goes, oxygen goes, the rest goes with it.

 

[esquared]

I can't believe that Canada, Lytton BC hit 121 on Monday. After the third successive day of record breaking.
116-118-121

The Washington Post: ‘Hard to comprehend’: Experts react to record 121 degrees in Canada.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/06/30/canada-record-heat-experts-react/

They also had 486 sudden deaths in 5 days

Heat wave update: 486 sudden deaths reported in B.C. over 5 days

A staggering 486 sudden and unexpected deaths were reported across British Columbia over the past five days as the province suffered under a blistering heat wave, coroners said Wednesday.

bc.ctvnews.ca

FFS, Las Vegas all-time high is just 117

 

[woolfe9998]

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Citation:

ArcticDeathSpiral.org

Arctic Death Spiral: we've melted the Arctic sea ice by burning fossil fuels; positive feedback means global warming will continue even if we end CO2 emissions

www.arcticdeathspiral.org

Estimating first blue ocean event at 2030, and I honestly won't be surprised if it's sooner.

Ocean acidification is inevitable at this point, I'm estimating that timelines will be much advanced from existing predictions (due to unknown unknowns), but are based on charts such as this:
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Citation:

Lucrative crab industry in danger | Sea Change | The Seattle Times

Scientists fear ocean acidification will drive the collapse of Alaska's iconic crab fishery.

apps.seattletimes.com

The rest is a logical progression from there. Ocean goes, oxygen goes, the rest goes with it.

Logical progression? So you're claiming the bulk of climate scientists believe in an end to human society by the end of the this century? Just want to be sure what it is you're claiming.

Because if that is what the scientific community is saying, it confuses me that they are urging us to curtail emissions, because it's over, right, so what is the point?

 

[nickqt]

Logical progression? So you're claiming the bulk of climate scientists believe in an end to human society by the end of the this century? Just want to be sure what it is you're claiming.

Because if that is what the scientific community is saying, it confuses me that they are urging us to curtail emissions, because it's over, right, so what is the point?

The collapse of society is already underway. It's not just climate change. It's resource exhaustion. Exponential growth on a finite rock. There's only so deep we can dig, and only so much of the planet we can burn now for profits now over having resources later.

Look, some people will be perfectly fine over the next few decades because they've accumulated enough wealth to insulate themselves. Most people are going to be shit out of luck.

Catabolic collapse is already happening.

Whenever someone mentions how the Easter Islanders went and destroyed their environment and basically went instinct...guess where our species is heading. I mean shit, look at how many of our SpaceBillionaires™ are just itching to build themselves fucking rockets with their hoarded wealth so they can go live on other planets.

Shit's baked into the cake at this point. We have to continue burning oil coal and gas if we want to have anywhere near the level of "society" that we have now, and that's just for a billion or so westerners. So, there's no end in sight of dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. And let's be real here, what we're starting to see now isn't a result of last year. It's cumulative of what was dumped into the atmosphere from the 1940s to 1980s. Take a look at the carbon dumped since 1980. Take a look at the carbon dumped since 2010. What is going to be dumped near year...etc. How much permafrost methane is being released from the current warming? Etc, ad nauseam.

Who is going to tell China and India that they can't have what we have, because in the future it might be bad? We can't even do that here with what we already have.

And we don't just use oil for cars, so everyone getting a Tesla isn't going to do anything for power requirements. Maybe if we can get to widespread fusion like, really soon, can we avoid almost universal catabolic collapse. Or maybe if lots of volcanoes start spouting off. Although I have a feeling that any chemical injection into the atmosphere by humans will end up being a disaster. Start looking to global cooling as humans finally reach the conclusion that yes, we did it, probably in the next decade or so.

We're all Easter Islanders now. Here's a great video that you can watch and handwave away if you want.

No, the human race isn't going extinct. But a whole lot of humans are going to die as our society collapses. This isn't an admonishment to do nothing. It's to prepare yourself while attempting to wrestle the reigns of power away from the monsters who know what is happening and are doubling down because they want to insulate themselves with more hoarded wealth...neo-feudalism. And guess which major US political party would love to make that even more of a possibility? Drill baby drill.

2020 was the beginning of the new normal.

 

[Paratus]

Yep. Back to back 115 degree days here was just crazy considering the previous all-time record high was 107 back in 1981.

https://imgur.com/t6nv4QE

https://imgur.com/SnSoAVO

Sorry made me think of Blazing Saddles

 

[compcons]

Every time I hear the "end of humanity" I recall efforts to populate Mars. An. Uninhabitable. Planet. At some point, the efforts to make a completely dead planet able to support life will be shifted to fixing the planet we actually live on. I just hope it happens before shit gets too much worse.

 

[pauldun170]

As I listen to everyone talk of moving South due to "cheap stuff" and lack of snow, we have our sights set up north.
I've already had discussions with my kids about what they should be considering when they strike out on their own.

New Climate Maps Show a Transformed United States

According to new data analyzed by ProPublica and The New York Times Magazine, warming temperatures, rising seas and changing rainfall will profoundly reshape the way people have lived in North America for centuries.

projects.propublica.org

 

[vi edit]

I tried heading NW to get out of the sweltering swamp ass of Kentucky. I got 116 degrees for that effort.

 

[dainthomas]

There was a bird kill of terns in the SODO district of Seattle. They were nesting on a big warehouse with a metal roof and the babies were getting out of their nests for relief and many died.

Oh man, that sucks. Native plants and animals weren't built for these conditions at all.

 

[repoman0]

As I listen to everyone talk of moving South due to "cheap stuff" and lack of snow, we have our sights set up north.
I've already had discussions with my kids about what they should be considering when they strike out on their own.

New Climate Maps Show a Transformed United States

According to new data analyzed by ProPublica and The New York Times Magazine, warming temperatures, rising seas and changing rainfall will profoundly reshape the way people have lived in North America for centuries.

projects.propublica.org

Same … mountains of NH or VT for me. It’s already too hot in the greater Boston area for my taste. I mentioned in another thread recently that I suspect northern New England is going to be one of the few habitable places left in the country in 20-40 years. Clicking on the full list of counties in that link shows a whole bunch of counties in ME, NH and VT at the very bottom of the at risk list … good to know my intuition was right based on actual data and not completely FOS.

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh man, that sucks. Native plants and animals weren't built for these conditions at all.

Part of the problem is that there is an attractive nuisance next door, It's a giant pile of white sand at some sand and gravel outfit and the terns get faked out that they are next to beach.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Wars for food and water will be in our future.

Sadly, growing droughts and ocean acidification pretty much guarantee food wars. They will lead to drop in land a sea food production both.

 

[hal2kilo]

I guess they won't have to worry about the heat anymore.

‘Our poor little town of Lytton is gone’: Village at center of Canada’s heat wave devastated by ‘catastrophic’ fires (msn.com)

 

[Ajay]

It seems like there is allot of talk amongst the leading nations about climate change, but no one REALLY want's to go first.

 

[nickqt]

It seems like there is allot of talk amongst the leading nations about climate change, but no one REALLY want's to go first.

Just to bump this very uncomfortable topic, which country's leader is wiling to say, "hey y'all, we'll go first and slash our GDP right now while everyone else continues to increase theirs, all to, maybe, slow the inevitable".

It isn't a matter of going first. It's a matter of actually accepting where we're headed as a species and acting in time to make it the least painful as possible for as many people as possible.

Of course, cognitive dissonance still rules this crisis, along with the other crises, because it's much better to ignore it than it is to really acknowledge it and determine how ALL the crises need to be met, not just one here and one there.

Seriously, watch this video when you have half an hour to burn. It's not difficult to understand, and it's not End Of The World porn. It's the big, uncomfortable picture.

 

[Denly]

Yep, like HayabusaRider was saying a while back, a Manhattan Project-level commitment is what we need. Difficult with the obstructionist fascists that largely believe the end days will always occur during their lifetime, regardless of the decade or century, standing in the way

Will need a Thanos lvl event if I am being honest.

 

[Muse]

Anyone concerned yet?

Northwest "heat dome" shows how climate change is causing unprecedented events - Axios

Concerned? Yet?????? I figure the only people around with a smaller carbon footprint than myself are homeless.

Canada's record for highest temperature ever was broken each of the last 3 days I heard today. Yesterday's new record was 121F. FUCKING CANADA! Where you freeze your ass off in the winter, right? ALARMED? You gotta pitty people being born now. Damn.

 

[Jaskalas]

Seriously, watch this video when you have half an hour to burn. It's not difficult to understand, and it's not End Of The World porn. It's the big, uncomfortable picture.

Well that's hella depressing.
Here I was looking forward to EVs.

I find this argument essentially translates as "hunker down boys, the meteor is entering the atmosphere". Regarding oil, energy, and overpopulation.

It says nothing with regards to the behavior of humans in such conditions. The caveman example is far more apt and likely.

 

[Muse]

No, the human race isn't going extinct. But a whole lot of humans are going to die as our society collapses. This isn't an admonishment to do nothing. It's to prepare yourself while attempting to wrestle the reigns of power away from the monsters who know what is happening and are doubling down because they want to insulate themselves with more hoarded wealth...neo-feudalism. And guess which major US political party would love to make that even more of a possibility? Drill baby drill.

I just watched that video. What they said you should prepare yourself for I have been doing for decades. The only car I have bought was a 1957 Chevy, used, that died in a year. I was given my last two. I have been driving less than 1000mi/year and if I couldn't drive, I wouldn't miss it all that much. I drove to Costco yesterday, first time I'd used my car since a similar Costco run 2 weeks previous. It's a 5 mile drive each way. Before I was given a car by my uncle (used, his station wagon), I used to bicycle to Costco... I was the only person I ever saw doing that. I'd bolt a large basket onto the rear rack on my bike when I'd do that. One day returning from Costco I had 100lb on that bike besides me! That ride was unstable, but I made it.

I grow veges and fruit here. I have been canning since the 1970's.

I want to destroy the Republican Party, yes, completely!

Edit:

Noam Chomsky: Republican Party is the most dangerous organisation in human history

'Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?' says distinguished academic

Chomsky: 'Republican Party most dangerous'

Noam Chomsky argues the Republican Party is the most dangerous organisation in human history.

www.bbc.com

Noam Chomsky on why the Republican Party is the most 'dangerous organisation in human history'

'Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?' says distinguished academic

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MrSquished]

Heat Domes. Covid. Climate Change. Election results.

All hoaxes!

 

[Jaskalas]

I want to destroy the Republican Party, yes, completely!

It is a shame we don't have any party that would want to stop our population increase.
Rather, America is full steam ahead. Regardless of our vote.