Northwest "heat dome" signals global warming's march

[HomerJS]

Anyone concerned yet?

Northwest "heat dome" shows how climate change is causing unprecedented events - Axios

 

[ondma]

Obviously one has to be concerned, about this particular area, but even more so the extreme drought there and in many more areas of the country.
Not trying to deny global warning or climate change at all, but things do go in cycles, so I think we need to calmly look at all the data. Especially we cant panic, say it is too late, and give up. Dont forget we had a record number of hurricanes the past season, and record cold and snow in the southern US just a few months ago. That seems to me to be the bigger problem: the extreme disruption of normal climate patterns.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Anyone concerned yet?

Northwest "heat dome" shows how climate change is causing unprecedented events - Axios

Have been, for years. A decade ago when I started paying much closer attention to this, I knew we were already too far gone to stop it. At this point we're just observers, documenting the fall.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Obviously one has to be concerned, about this particular area, but even more so the extreme drought there and in many more areas of the country.
Not trying to deny global warning or climate change at all, but things do go in cycles, so I think we need to calmly look at all the data. Especially we cant panic, say it is too late, and give up. Dont forget we had a record number of hurricanes the past season, and record cold and snow in the southern US just a few months ago. That seems to me to be the bigger problem: the extreme disruption of normal climate patterns.

Which is what 99% of climate scientists have been saying since the 90s: calling it global warming is a misnomer and it will instead be dramatic oscillations in climate over different regions. Years of drought followed by floods, and dramatic heat waves followed by freezing temperatures. Feedback loops amplifying natural climate regulating mechanisms like the Atlantic current.

 

[woolfe9998]

Have been, for years. A decade ago when I started paying much closer attention to this, I knew we were already too far gone to stop it. At this point we're just observers, documenting the fall.

Nope, not a constructive attitude as it suggests we should give up. CC or no CC is a fallacy. It's a question of the degree of CC. Giving up is not an option.

 

[nakedfrog]

Nope, not a constructive attitude as it suggests we should give up. CC or no CC is a fallacy. It's a question of the degree of CC. Giving up is not an option.

Yep, like HayabusaRider was saying a while back, a Manhattan Project-level commitment is what we need. Difficult with the obstructionist fascists that largely believe the end days will always occur during their lifetime, regardless of the decade or century, standing in the way

 

[HomerJS]

Obviously one has to be concerned, about this particular area, but even more so the extreme drought there and in many more areas of the country.
Not trying to deny global warning or climate change at all, but things do go in cycles, so I think we need to calmly look at all the data. Especially we cant panic, say it is too late, and give up. Dont forget we had a record number of hurricanes the past season, and record cold and snow in the southern US just a few months ago. That seems to me to be the bigger problem: the extreme disruption of normal climate patterns.

The recent events by themselves don't indicate problem with climate, however the recent events have followed the trends of the last 40 years. Setting record high isn't cyclical but a disturbing regular trend. Portland recently beat their all time high by 8 degrees. That is astounding. All time highs set in the last few days in Canada.

 

[nakedfrog]

The recent events by themselves don't indicate problem with climate, however the recent events have followed the trends of the last 40 years. Setting record high isn't cyclical but a disturbing regular trend. Portland recently beat their all time high by 8 degrees. That is astounding. All time highs set in the last few days in Canada.

And Portland set new records in three sequential days.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Nope, not a constructive attitude as it suggests we should give up. CC or no CC is a fallacy. It's a question of the degree of CC. Giving up is not an option.

The requirements at this point are in all likelihood beyond our capacity as a species. I can theorycraft solutions involving growing switchgrass on a global scale and burying it in coal mines, or something else like that, but realistically we're going to keep doing exactly what were doing until runaway exponential effects simply overwhelm us, probably in the next few decades.

Nobody said we'd give up, I just don't think it'll work. I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[woolfe9998]

The requirements at this point are in all likelihood beyond our capacity as a species. I can theorycraft solutions involving growing switchgrass on a global scale and burying it in coal mines, or something else like that, but realistically we're going to keep doing exactly what were doing until runaway exponential effects simply overwhelm us, probably in the next few decades.

Nobody said we'd give up, I just don't think it'll work. I'd love to be proven wrong.

What exactly are you trying to prevent here? Again, you're working off the fallacy that either we have CC or we don't.

Yet it isn't binary. Inaction will make it worse.

 

[dainthomas]

West side of Portland here. For two days stepping outside was like getting blasted with a hair dryer.

We had tons of birds, squirrels etc congregating around the waterfalll in our backyard. Craziness.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What exactly are you trying to prevent here? Again, you're working off the fallacy that either we have CC or we don't.

Yet it isn't binary. Inaction will make it worse.

Huh? We have climate change, that's not really disputable. What I'm speaking of preventing is the collapse of human society (at least as we know it), which I don't really think is avoidable at this point.

Yes, I know inaction will 'make it worse', I just personally feel that even action won't be sufficient for us. Maybe we can save more species though, that'd be nice.

 

[vi edit]

This is not a good look.




Our "Hot" days are growing pretty drastically. 2020's are gonna be lit.

Source:

Portland temperatures, 1938-2025

See the high temperature recorded at Portland International Airport every day since April 1, 1938.

projects.oregonlive.com

 

[woolfe9998]

Huh? We have climate change, that's not really disputable. What I'm speaking of preventing is the collapse of human society (at least as we know it), which I don't really think is avoidable at this point.

Yes, I know inaction will 'make it worse', I just personally feel that even action won't be sufficient for us. Maybe we can save more species though, that'd be nice.

Over what timeframe do you predict this "collapse of human society?"

 

[feralkid]

Generation Dread; regardless of your age.

 

[Mai72]

I think we are past the point of no return. Most people will only care when climate change directly impacts their lives. Until then, lets take the gas gussling SUV up the block to supermarket. What about walking? Pffffttt....Jack up the AC. Lets go. Keep all the lights on just because we want too. I'm sorry, but most people are selfish. They won't do anything to help lessen global warming unless it directly impacts their little lives. By then, it will be too late.

 

[Ajay]

Over what timeframe do you predict this "collapse of human society?"

Ask us again in 20 years. Faster computers and more data may help narrow it down.

 

[Ajay]

Not so worried about this year. The trend below is what is worrying me.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Over what timeframe do you predict this "collapse of human society?"

Blue ocean event in 10, oceanic ecosystem collapse in another 20, humans limping for another 50-80 at most. Pocket civilizations will exist from that point onward.

Edit: the above is assuming there isn't a thermonuclear war at some point in between. I'm assuming nobody does anything but what we're doing, plus some token tree planting and 'new recycling' measures, or whatever.

 

[nakedfrog]

I think we are past the point of no return. Most people will only care when climate change directly impacts their lives. Until then, lets take the gas gussling SUV up the block to supermarket. What about walking? Pffffttt....Jack up the AC. Lets go. Keep all the lights on just because we want too. I'm sorry, but most people are selfish. They won't do anything to help lessen global warming unless it directly impacts their little lives. By then, it will be too late.

We've got assholes working in direct contradiction of it. Look at conservatives whenever someone posts a thing about "Earth Hour", they'll talk about how they're going to leave extra lights on to try and offset people participating. People making their diesel-powered vehicles "roll coal", and spewing black clouds on cyclists, joggers, or people driving fuel-efficient vehicles.

 

[MrSquished]

We've got assholes working in direct contradiction of it. Look at conservatives whenever someone posts a thing about "Earth Hour", they'll talk about how they're going to leave extra lights on to try and offset people participating. People making their diesel-powered vehicles "roll coal", and spewing black clouds on cyclists, joggers, or people driving fuel-efficient vehicles.

This. Plenty of left of center folks aren't super responsible environmentalists, but compared to the conservatives that outwardly try to thwart any reduction in energy use and fossil fuel use, they are all wonderful in comparison. Conservatives really enjoy being horrible people - on everything from healthcare to racism to the environment.

 

[hal2kilo]

Anyone concerned yet?

Northwest "heat dome" shows how climate change is causing unprecedented events - Axios

It's been obvious for the last 10 years or so, that the weather I experienced when I first moved out here in 1986 has changed dramatically. Just a few years back we had the blob, people were fishing tuna like crazy out of Westport, WA. The 4th used to be the unofficial start of real summer out here. This last spring was dry, and now that we have really warmed up, I don't expect much appreciable rain until September. This is on the west side of the cascades, and there have been a few multi-acre fires already.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yep, like HayabusaRider was saying a while back, a Manhattan Project-level commitment is what we need. Difficult with the obstructionist fascists that largely believe the end days will always occur during their lifetime, regardless of the decade or century, standing in the way

Don't you know, God has a plan for us. Why change it.

 

[hal2kilo]

West side of Portland here. For two days stepping outside was like getting blasted with a hair dryer.

We had tons of birds, squirrels etc congregating around the waterfalll in our backyard. Craziness.

There was a bird kill of terns in the SODO district of Seattle. They were nesting on a big warehouse with a metal roof and the babies were getting out of their nests for relief and many died.

 

[hal2kilo]

Huh? We have climate change, that's not really disputable. What I'm speaking of preventing is the collapse of human society (at least as we know it), which I don't really think is avoidable at this point.

Yes, I know inaction will 'make it worse', I just personally feel that even action won't be sufficient for us. Maybe we can save more species though, that'd be nice.

Wars for food and water will be in our future.