Northrop Grumman apologized to me!!!!

[steppinthrax]

To keep this short, I responded to an IT position on the Northrop Grumman website. Within a week I was contacted by a recruiter who wanted to setup a date/time to talk to the hiring manager. I work full time and the discussions would have to occur during work hours, therefore I would need to temporary leave to take the call. Anyway, we agree on a time for 10:00 am the following day. On that day I never receive a call. I send an email back to the recruiter; he indicates there was some screw up and sets another time for 9:30am the next day. On that day, I again never receive a call. At this point I figure these people are playing with my ass. I send another email to the recruiter asking the status of the call and if they have the correct contact information. The recruiter responds back “I don’t know what going on, I have too many phone screenings to do”. He provides the phone number to the hiring manager and indicates I should just deal with him directly.
Pretty pissed at this point, I respond back to him with a CC to the hiring manager and the Director of Talent Acquisition, indicating that I no longer wish to be considered for this position since you guys haven’t yet figured out how to tell time.

The recruiter gets pissed sends me an email tell me “don’t hide behind your email” and leave me a VM indicating that he’s working for me and he’s doing the best he can. I forward the email again to the DIR.

An hour later he sends me this apologetic email indicating he’s sorry for his actions and that he’s sorry the way this turned out and he will remove me from considering for this position.

I don’t hear anything back from anybody for a few weeks, until I get an email from some dir at Northrop Grumman asking me to contact them. I contact them, this person indicates to me that she was made aware of the situation and is dearly sorry this happened. She goes on to say the recruiter handled this very unprofessionally and she didn’t want this to ruin my perception of NG.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

/blog

 

[KeithTalent]

Northrop Grumman style!

KT

 

[AmdEmAll]

So did they offer you an interview??

 

[Capt Caveman]

I've had similar things happen to me. Hold on I'm going to create a thread about it.

 

[steppinthrax]

So did they offer you an interview??

She indicated the position was canceled due to a lack of funding. She also indicated that they would work to find some other positions based on my previous submissions (i don't know what the fuck that means)...

 

[Ichinisan]

I've had similar things happen to me. Hold on I'm going to create a thread about it.

I wouldn't complain if you did. I'd probably read it.

 

[lxskllr]

They haven't been the same since they quit making canoes.

 

[SandEagle]

She indicated the position was canceled due to a lack of funding. She also indicated that they would work to find some other positions based on my previous submissions (i don't know what the fuck that means)...

lies. they hired someone. they felt they should apologize so you wouldnt disrespek them on the internet. like making this thread

 

[sygyzy]

I've worked for NGC. I am surprised they handled this so well. I am also surprised you want to work with them ... unless you are already in the defense industry.

 

[Baked]

I'm surprised NG is hiring. They cut a shit ton of people in the LA area last quarter.

 

[Meractik]

To keep this short, I responded to an IT position on the Northrop Grumman website. Within a week I was contacted by a recruiter who wanted to setup a date/time to talk to the hiring manager. I work full time and the discussions would have to occur during work hours, therefore I would need to temporary leave to take the call. Anyway, we agree on a time for 10:00 am the following day. On that day I never receive a call. I send an email back to the recruiter; he indicates there was some screw up and sets another time for 9:30am the next day. On that day, I again never receive a call. At this point I figure these people are playing with my ass. I send another email to the recruiter asking the status of the call and if they have the correct contact information. The recruiter responds back “I don’t know what going on, I have too many phone screenings to do”. He provides the phone number to the hiring manager and indicates I should just deal with him directly.
Pretty pissed at this point, I respond back to him with a CC to the hiring manager and the Director of Talent Acquisition, indicating that I no longer wish to be considered for this position since you guys haven’t yet figured out how to tell time.

The recruiter gets pissed sends me an email tell me “don’t hide behind your email” and leave me a VM indicating that he’s working for me and he’s doing the best he can. I forward the email again to the DIR.

An hour later he sends me this apologetic email indicating he’s sorry for his actions and that he’s sorry the way this turned out and he will remove me from considering for this position.

I don’t hear anything back from anybody for a few weeks, until I get an email from some dir at Northrop Grumman asking me to contact them. I contact them, this person indicates to me that she was made aware of the situation and is dearly sorry this happened. She goes on to say the recruiter handled this very unprofessionally and she didn’t want this to ruin my perception of NG.

Sounds IDENTICAL to a circumstance i fell into with NG two days ago regarding a position I applied for, they called me to see if I was still interested and I told them that I was but due to scheduling conflicts I couldn't come in for a face-2-face interview at the times they requested but could do so earlier, so with that they said how about tomorrow at 8am, I said sure. They said they needed to schedule it with the hiring manager and would get back to me that day prior to the interview the following day. No follow-up was conducted, I even called them back prior to end of business to request if anything had happened to which their was no answer, straight to voicemail.

Sadly it does not make NG look very good when they're utilizing recruiters or HR personnel in this manner, especially for IT positions.... their not the only ones failing in this regard though, SAIC and NG both have contacted me about positions to tell me the information would be forwarded to hiring managers and the ball just gets dropped, no follow-up, not even an email saying thank you for your application but this position has been filled, nothing.

To make things worse they have personnel in HR or recruiters doing screening that have no idea about the positions for which they're seeking for candidates, I had someone basically read down the job listing for experience and education requirements asking me if I met those requirements and such, which if they read my resume its all written in black and white that I met each bullet, otherwise why would I bother applying??? I mean come on.... they're wasting my time and theirs, call me when you wish to schedule an interview and then keep true to the offer you present.

 

[mikegg]

Pretty unprofessional by the recruiter. You should blog about it and contact me. I'll blog about it for you.

 

[Farmer]

Conclusion: Don't work for a giant megacorporation like Northrop Grumman.

 

[Aikouka]

I've had no problems with Northrop in the past in regard to their hiring personnel. The only odd thing that ever happened was when the HR representative that I was working with called and asked when I would be available to fly for a face-to-face interview. I was confused because I'm pretty sure I never applied for that position! On a side note, I actually never did, but that's a story for another time.

 

[Meractik]

I won't hold what happened to me against NG, but I will have the responsibility rest on the shoulders of the recruiter who called me and started to make scheduling commitments that it turned out to obviously be beyond her responsibilities. It would in essence in some people's eyes reflect negatively on NG but I realize with as big of a corporation as they are they can't keep an eye on everyones activities, I only hope to be hired with a organization which will appreciate and welcome my hard work and dedication. I do what I say and only say things that I know I can do.

 

[mshan]

Isn't right now around time when defense contractors were supposed to announce layoffs if lame duck Congress plays chicken with Fiscal Cliff and temporarily actually goes off cliff in January?

That being said, even if defense budget sequester doesn't occur, seems to me that defense industry is going to start to be squeezed gently to get more bang for the buck (no more $800 toilet seats or whatever that story was from many years ago).

May not be as bad as looking for job in financial industry, but doesn't sound like it is going to be an industry with vigorous growth going forward (?) Don't know how good or bad working IT for a health care company might be, but if Obamacare is not going to be repealed and state exchanges have to be put in place, that seems like it could be a growth industry going forward (Morningstar video commentary this morning on jobs report said that health care industry appears to be surging now). Don't know what IT opportunities in oil and gas exploration industry are, but that is another industry that seems poised to explode in terms of growth going forward.

If you really like job description and think Northrup Gruman might be good employer, might want to give them a few weeks to see where they stand after dust from election settles and what prospects for an Obama / Boehner Bowles-Simpson type Grand Bargain are going forward:

Fiscal Cliff: 'Bungee Jumping' & Headline Risk


After the election, Washington's focus will shift to the fiscal cliff. The outgoing 'lame duck' Congress will meet for another two months.

Our basic thesis on the fiscal cliff has been simple: if you have the same players and the same situation, you should expect the same outcomes. Our base-case scenario is that the players remain the same: Obama in the White House and a divided Congress. We expect another piecemeal, short-term fiscal deal that temporarily resolves the fiscal cliff problem. The question is the timing: during the lame duck Congress, or in January after tax rates expire and sequestration begins?

Only a handful of legislative leaders will be key players in fiscal cliff negotiations. This is a positive development for the prognosticator, because it means one can ignore the press statements from the pundits and even from most Members of Congress, because they will not be in the room when a deal is cut.





With the resolution of the fiscal cliff buried in the minds of only a few, it's impossible to forecast accurately how the sausage will be made.





Even so, we highlight these possibilities for investors:

• The influence of psychology & election results. Beginning the day after the election, legislative leaders and the President will look to see how their respective parties fared in the election, and how it might affect their leadership standing within their caucuses. From this they can demonstrate how much they can sell to their own Members and how much room for compromise exists. In reality, this means that the roadmap for a fiscal cliff solution is determined by their psychology and their perceptions of the election results. We'll be paying close attention to leaders' statements in reaction to the election.

• 'Bungee jump.' Policymakers are concerned less about winning than avoiding losing. Going over the cliff for a short period in January may allow both Republicans and Democrats to avoid the toughest of votes, and it's an option that has been discussed widely in the press, both by us and by others. While not necessarily our base-case scenario, we caution investors to be aware.

• Headline risk. Regardless of what happens on November 6, we should expect to see a very vocal debate inside both parties about 'who won' and 'who lost.' This debate will be played out loudly in the press in the context of fiscal cliff negotiations. If the news is particularly dire or suggests an impeding showdown, there may be market action in response. But investors should remember that very few of these people, even seemingly senior Members of Congress, will have influence over the process.

• Republican sweep. A victory for Romney or Senate Republicans may mean that the GOP, fresh from victories at the polls and looking to put their own stamp on a fiscal cliff solution, will hold off until January for its own fix. Timing becomes important, as the new president Romney wouldn't take office until January 20, twelve market trading days after sequestration begins. (And January 20 is a Sunday, which could push 'day one' activities back another 24 hours.)

• Blanket extensions. Though few commentators have discussed it, the possibility of simple blanket extensions to expiring tax cuts and budget cuts is there. Political players tend to downplay this scenario, if only because the simplest solutions have seemed to bedevil Congress over the past few years, but that shouldn't exclude this case as a possibility.

• A summer tax package? Obama and Romney have talked about passing comprehensive tax reform in the new Congress, though certainly their packages would look quite different. Both Republicans and Democrats see this commitment as credible, and Hill staffers have been taking meetings and drafting legislation. A new tax code would be about as big a piece of legislation as Congress considers, so the idea that there may be a tax package in the summertime will affect the fiscal cliff negotiations in the winter.

The Unlikely Scenarios

Though multiple outcomes are possible, we feel comfortable putting low to negligible probabilities on these cases:

• Republican 'capitulation.' Some have suggested that Republicans will merely defer to a re-elected Obama or, alternatively, a rogue group of Republicans will bolt from their own party to join with the Democratic president. But this isn't a very accurate picture of legislative politics in the United States. In reality, the one-year fiscal deals of the past few years have been cut between President Obama, House Republican Speaker Boehner and House Democratic leader Pelosi. The majority of both Republicans and Democrats signed off on the packages, leaving ample room for endangered Members on both the left and the right to protect their seats by voting against it. This roadmap is more likely in the American context than the idea that a cadre of renegade Republicans stands ready to throw their lot in with Obama.

• The 'grand bargain.' Some commentators have suggested that policymakers can agree on a plan that will provide a definitive resolution to America's deficit problems and reform tax and budget policy. Many of those holding this view are from the business & economics community, where such a 'grand bargain' would certainly be very well-received. But even the historic budget compromises of the 1980's and 1990's weren't so far-reaching, so it stretches the mind to imagine that this option is in the cards for 2012.

• No action. Even in this era of polarized politics, no commentator believes that Congress will take zero action and send the US economy back into recession. The question is the timing of a deal, as well as the substance.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-...nore-pundits-partisans-huffpo-data-says-obama

Good Luck!

 

[olds]

Something simular happened to me once.
I was at a red light and it turned green. I pulled out and all the cars behind me started following me! It was like I was their new leader!

 

[Printer Bandit]

you're blacklisted from any defense / gov't job.

 

[lupi]

Wouldn't worry about it, the rate they are trying to shed people you may not have lasted long.

 

[Perknose]

Northrop Grumman style!

KT

Also, bitchin' jets and canoes!