Northern White Rhino... Extinct

[Smoblikat]

We really suck as a species.

Not from the viewpoint of nature. We are an extremely efficient hunting machine, just like nature intended.

 

[Subyman]

Whatev. We'll just evolve some new species.

Not really something to joke about, its a sad event to see these huge animals going extinct as a direct effect of us. Not even a secondary effect like global warming, but directly by us killing them so some morons can think they are getting a hard on from the horn powder. Ridiculous.

 

[Subyman]

Not from the viewpoint of nature. We are an extremely efficient hunting machine, just like nature intended.

Nature doesn't intend anything. It just is. We as a species can choose to save these animals or lose them forever. It is sad to see these large mammals go away even with so many trying to save them.

 

[IronWing]

Not from the viewpoint of nature. We are an extremely efficient hunting machine, just like nature intended.

Except when you overshoot your prey base and thereby wipe yourself out. It's sort of like viruses that kill their hosts too fast to effectively spread from host to host and so are self limiting.

 

[Newbian]

Except when you overshoot your prey base and thereby wipe yourself out. It's sort of like viruses that kill their hosts too fast to effectively spread from host to host and so are self limiting.

Unless the virus can eat itself and keep going...

Cannibalism ftw!

 

[Smoblikat]

Nature doesn't intend anything. It just is. We as a species can choose to save these animals or lose them forever. It is sad to see these large mammals go away even with so many trying to save them.

What "just is"? Nature? If you are trying to tell me the Natural order of things doesnt exist, then please explain to me how modern humans came to be. It seems to me that there has to be some sort of design to allow billions of seemingly unrelated creature have almost identical physical structures............almost like it was meant to be!

 

[Subyman]

What "just is"? Nature? If you are trying to tell me the Natural order of things doesnt exist, then please explain to me how modern humans came to be. It seems to me that there has to be some sort of design to allow billions of seemingly unrelated creature have almost identical physical structures............almost like it was meant to be!

Nature doesn't have a plan or any intention. Molecules randomly bump into each other and over time end up making stuff that can exist and compete in this world. There isn't an intention. It just is, as I said.

 

[IronWing]

What "just is"? Nature? If you are trying to tell me the Natural order of things doesnt exist, then please explain to me how modern humans came to be. It seems to me that there has to be some sort of design to allow billions of seemingly unrelated creature have almost identical physical structures............almost like it was meant to be!

And a thread with a ~50 post maximum potential just went to ultra-violet. :biggrin:

 

[Zaap]

Blame it on the Chinese, Vitenamese and Africans. Those are the stupid motherfuckers that have done this. Fucking Asians really piss me off with their predations on vunerable species. They do the same shit to the whale population. Bunch of fucking animals.....

Do not decieve yourself, every rhino and elephant will be killed eventually, the asians have made them so valuable that people will willingly die for an opportunity to kill one and take its horn.

Okay, granted, not by any stretch the most P.C. way to put it...

Speak for yourself. I am not the one demanding White Rhino horns dust to cure impotence or whatever illness the Chinese thinks it cures.

...but why is it racist to point out the truth about why the Rhinos are killed?

Forget race, it's more of a cultural thing. Certain cultures value the horns for insane 'cures' and have therefore made the animal more valuable dead than alive.

Certain cultures do the same thing with elephant ivory, hippo teeth, etc.

 

[z1ggy]

It's sad event, but with science advancing at it's current rate, why can't we just clone some of these guys in the future? Save a bunch of it's DNA, and once the technology is ready, clone a bunch and repopulate.

Just save the DNA from individuals that aren't closely related so you only need to clone a few to start a new population, and aren't just popping out hundreds of clones.

 

[bshole]

It's sad event, but with science advancing at it's current rate, why can't we just clone some of these guys in the future? Save a bunch of it's DNA, and once the technology is ready, clone a bunch and repopulate.

Just save the DNA from individuals that aren't closely related so you only need to clone a few to start a new population, and aren't just popping out hundreds of clones.

Is the science really there to do this? There are a grand total of 5 rhinos to get dna from so there is going to be considerable inbreeding.

 

[zinfamous]

Is the science really there to do this? There are a grand total of 5 rhinos to get dna from so there is going to be considerable inbreeding.

yes, it's pretty much there. ....but finding the proper species for this to work, with each species in question, isn't always there. ...and the technology isn't easily transmittable from one creature to the next.

A Rhino isn't a sheep, or an elephant, or a passenger pigeon, for example.

 

[Nebor]

It's sad event, but with science advancing at it's current rate, why can't we just clone some of these guys in the future? Save a bunch of it's DNA, and once the technology is ready, clone a bunch and repopulate.

Just save the DNA from individuals that aren't closely related so you only need to clone a few to start a new population, and aren't just popping out hundreds of clones.

You've obviously never seen Jurassic Park.

 

[Franz316]

Sad, and even more sad that they will be joined by more and more large mammals during the next 30 years.

 

[Nebor]

Sad, and even more sad that they will be joined by more and more large mammals during the next 30 years.

That's ok, more and more humans are falling into the "large mammal" category these days.

 

[Sonikku]

If it were a northern black rhino, people would be all uppity about it.

 

[MagickMan]

Oh shit, I thought this thread was about White RINOs, nevermind.

 

[TreVader]

Hmm I wonder how much they would charge somebody to hunt one? $10,000,000? You know they sold permits to hunt them before, because "hunters are conservationists"!

 

[schmuckley]

I bet there's a whole herd of them in that swamp in the middle of Africa.

 

[DrPizza]

How does one protect a species from humanity?

As we continue to expand, and share a finite space with other species, we must establish preserves of significant size and an explicit no-human policy for those protected areas.

There's one HUGE problem with that: NIMBY

To us, it's a rare species of rhino. Over there, it's one of several species of rhino. And there are plenty of other large mammals in the area.

 

[Pulsar]

Hmm I wonder how much they would charge somebody to hunt one? $10,000,000? You know they sold permits to hunt them before, because "hunters are conservationists"!

Most hunters are. Especially the professional ones. Just because you have obvious disdain for them doesn't change that fact.

Instead of talking about hunters, talk about criminals. That's what poachers are. Try to add something to a serious conversation about a serious topic other than inaccurate sarcasm and jealousy over money.

 

[Kadarin]

If it were a northern black rhino, people would be all uppity about it.

They would totally burn this bitch down.

 

[mikeymikec]

The tale of the tasty giant tortoise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k-l1HLj9Nk

 

[CZroe]

Blame it on the Chinese, Vitenamese and Africans. Those are the stupid motherfuckers that have done this. Fucking Asians really piss me off with their predations on vunerable species. They do the same shit to the whale population. Bunch of fucking animals.....

Do not decieve yourself, every rhino and elephant will be killed eventually, the asians have made them so valuable that people will willingly die for an opportunity to kill one and take its horn.


In the future, please be more careful how you express your anger, as denigrating entire nationalities and races looks like the rant of a racist to the casual observer.

Perknose
Forum Director

The Japanese are hunting sustainable whale species. They never hunted them to he brink of extinction like westerners did and they, like Eskimoes, are entitled to continue their culture as they have for hundreds of years. It is clear that you don't know this, so let me tell you: the "research" exemptions were put into the international treaties as a secret loophole FOR them and it worked fine until ignorant people got indignant after watching Whale Wars and the like. That attitude operates on the idiotic assumption that it's wrong to kill ANY whales.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The Japanese are hunting sustainable whale species. They never hunted them to he brink of extinction like westerners did and they, like Eskimoes, are entitled to continue their culture as they have for hundreds of years. It is clear that you don't know this, so let me tell you: the "research" exemptions were put into the international treaties as a secret loophole FOR them and it worked fine until ignorant people got indignant after watching Whale Wars and the like. That attitude operates on the idiotic assumption that it's wrong to kill ANY whales.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...aceans-whale-dolphin-porpoise-not-sustainable

http://uk.whales.org/issues/whaling-in-japan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2073462.stm