North Korea may be using gas chambers

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: robh23

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
INVADE

yeah i agree, the iraq war was a year ago, havent we got some new bombs to test out yet? this one would be a real stomp! they are virtually at bows and arrows level ther.

also we would get rid of another person who wears "evil glasses"

square glasses are officially evil

Really? I thought they were developing nukes? They said so themselves.

It still stands that with adequete planning and some ballsy pilots, they could have NOTHING that can hit ANYTHING after half an hour. It wouldn't be easy, their early warning systems are so sensitive that anything within 50 miles of their territory is asking for trouble, but we have certain tools that could be used to lay large scale waste to anything and everything in sight. You CAN'T pick and choose targets at leisure with NK. They're so f'ing volatile and we have NO idea what exactly they're capable of (we have a general idea and some rumors)

It would require MASSIVE air presence. We can't use cruise missiles, because quite frankly, not much of anything in that country is static enough for one. It's also entirely conceivable that we'd have to blow up an ICBM during the initial launch stage (the BEST place to hit it - it's disarmed, it's SLOW, and all that solid fuel is going to lay waste to your enemy, but it requires a high performance interceptor with a DAMN GOOD pilot to be in VERY close proximity to the launch site)

Then there's the issue that NK is ready to pound the SNOT out of SK on a moment's notice. Short range missiles loaded with god knows what, hardware ready to move out across the DMZ, etc.

Without some way of protecting SK on the ground, there would be no more Hyundai. If we were to try to commit to protecting SK on the ground, we might well provoke NK into getting started early.

And then there's China and their intense issues with American aircraft. The LAST thing we need is a squadron of Chineese MiGs jumping in on an American combat flight because they got too close to China. That's almost the end of the world.

Fighting in North Korea is possible. It may even be the right thing to do. But it's in no way shape or form an easy thing to win, no matter how much technically superior we are (Unless we can cloak entire divisions. Then it gets VERY easy). They have the home field advantage.

So, is this a job for Capt. Picard, or Hans Solo


Cause it's gonna take the Enterprise or some such thing to assure that NK doesnt get a few to several nukes to the target. Not much left of NK afterwards, but then nothing much left anywhere a nuke strikes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: robh23

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
INVADE

yeah i agree, the iraq war was a year ago, havent we got some new bombs to test out yet? this one would be a real stomp! they are virtually at bows and arrows level ther.

also we would get rid of another person who wears "evil glasses"

square glasses are officially evil

Really? I thought they were developing nukes? They said so themselves.

It still stands that with adequete planning and some ballsy pilots, they could have NOTHING that can hit ANYTHING after half an hour. It wouldn't be easy, their early warning systems are so sensitive that anything within 50 miles of their territory is asking for trouble, but we have certain tools that could be used to lay large scale waste to anything and everything in sight. You CAN'T pick and choose targets at leisure with NK. They're so f'ing volatile and we have NO idea what exactly they're capable of (we have a general idea and some rumors)

It would require MASSIVE air presence. We can't use cruise missiles, because quite frankly, not much of anything in that country is static enough for one. It's also entirely conceivable that we'd have to blow up an ICBM during the initial launch stage (the BEST place to hit it - it's disarmed, it's SLOW, and all that solid fuel is going to lay waste to your enemy, but it requires a high performance interceptor with a DAMN GOOD pilot to be in VERY close proximity to the launch site)

Then there's the issue that NK is ready to pound the SNOT out of SK on a moment's notice. Short range missiles loaded with god knows what, hardware ready to move out across the DMZ, etc.

Without some way of protecting SK on the ground, there would be no more Hyundai. If we were to try to commit to protecting SK on the ground, we might well provoke NK into getting started early.

And then there's China and their intense issues with American aircraft. The LAST thing we need is a squadron of Chineese MiGs jumping in on an American combat flight because they got too close to China. That's almost the end of the world.

Fighting in North Korea is possible. It may even be the right thing to do. But it's in no way shape or form an easy thing to win, no matter how much technically superior we are (Unless we can cloak entire divisions. Then it gets VERY easy). They have the home field advantage.

So, is this a job for Capt. Picard, or Hans Solo


Cause it's gonna take the Enterprise or some such thing to assure that NK doesnt get a few to several nukes to the target. Not much left of NK afterwards, but then nothing much left anywhere a nuke strikes.

 

[NeoV]

just a few observations...

Humor at a funeral is completely disrespectful, I don't care how you deal with things, that isn't at all appropriate at any funeral. Also, there is nothing funny about a family being killed in a gas chamber...there is nothing funny about a family being killed together at all.

America has gas chambers? Show me one ounce of proof that isn't on a geocities web site, and is current.

Agree with Eye about the prospect of fighting NK...can't do it without destroying much, if not all of SK's infrastructure.

 

[K1052]

NK might be able to be defeated quickly with enough planning and without severe damage to SK.

It would require a precisely timed and coordinated strike, but it might be able to get done.

The main problem is getting a fix on and eliminating any nuclear forces they have deployed.

 

[IcemanJer]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Dont get me wrong fellas, its sad that happened. But, I just dont have the time in my day to worry about it. I have a mortgage, 3 kids to take care of, utilities to pay, job training to stay current on, a full time job etc etc etc. I got shyte TO DO man. And hearing a sad story of 1 family gettin gassed half way across the world...well... that ranks REALLY low on the attention-meter.
Aside from all that, *my* personal way of dealing with crappy stuff is through humor. Hell, at my best friends funural for his parents me and my 2 friends were makin little jokes. Granted, tears rollin and all, but humor heals wound faster then anything.
:beer:

Word, Shockwave. :beer:

 

[kage69]

More reports of horrible suffering in North Korea: Ooo! time to put in some crass remarks about Bush! Or better yet, let's make ineffective comparisons in an attempt to nullify criticism towards NK!


You guys make me sick. You are shallow, naive, and I pity you.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Face it, we don't live in a perfect world, just be glad YOU have rights in America, some other countries people do not have that luxury.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Humor at a funeral is completely disrespectful, I don't care how you deal with things, that isn't at all appropriate at any funeral.

I completely disagree. Humor always has a place at events when it's done right and around the right people. My family is very comical. Both of my parents have told me that they'd be PISSED if I was crying and not laughing at their funeral.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We have gas chambers in America too.

yup- but reporting those would would not confer with the West's agenda driven, anti-North Korean propaganda machine. I'm not saying that this is not true, just trying to point out that the sensationalism this article was written in would only be directed against a government the UN doesn't approve of for other political reasons.

What reasons? You mean like starving/gassing/otherwise killing its citizens? Making them work as slaves? Building up a nuclear stockpile and threatening us with it constantly?
Those types of reasons?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: NeoV
just a few observations...

Humor at a funeral is completely disrespectful, I don't care how you deal with things, that isn't at all appropriate at any funeral. Also, there is nothing funny about a family being killed in a gas chamber...there is nothing funny about a family being killed together at all.

America has gas chambers? Show me one ounce of proof that isn't on a geocities web site, and is current.

Agree with Eye about the prospect of fighting NK...can't do it without destroying much, if not all of SK's infrastructure.

a few of my obersvations

1. People deal with grief in may different ways. Humor is an excellent way to be lifted up just enough so it doesnt feel like you are caught in a vortex of depressing emotions. During my dads funeral last June my sister told me a joke which made me smile and lifted my spirits just a tad.

2. Umm yea America does have gas chambers. Ever heard of Capital Punnishmet?

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We have gas chambers in America too.

yup- but reporting those would would not confer with the West's agenda driven, anti-North Korean propaganda machine. I'm not saying that this is not true, just trying to point out that the sensationalism this article was written in would only be directed against a government the UN doesn't approve of for other political reasons.

I wasn't aware that we gassed innocent families here for scientific research.

 

[captains]

so N. korea is to blame for the prices at the pump

 

[Fausto]

Apropos of nothing: millions are starving and have starved in N Korea since most of thier money and resources is devoted to pimping their military. This is going on right now, where's the outrage?

 

[K1052]

Yes, some American states have and still do AFAIK execute convicted criminals in a gas chamber.

What the NK government defines as criminal and what the U.S. does are VASTLY different.

 

[matt426malm]

Not much we can do anyway. Invade? The possible losses are just to great. Maybe the country will collapse eventually, who knows. Or maybe some diplomatic compromise, to get them to get it together. Just one more screwed up thing in the long list of things wrong with this world.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: captains
so N. korea is to blame for the prices at the pump

obviously. haven't you been watching tv?

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
INVADE

Yes, let's go attack the world's largest numerical army while our army is spread all over the world. There's a real brilliant plan.

/I'm not saying what's going on isn't horrible (and it is horrible), I'm just saying it's not our place to right every wrong in the world. If it were, our country would be broke and every male of fighting age would be overseas somewhere fighting right now.

 

[BillGates]

Originally posted by: tagej
Darn it, isn't there *some* natural resource we could exploit if we invade?? Surely we could find something to make it worth our while?

child labor comes to mind

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I think I'm gonna be sick

Kwon Hyok said the camp had a gas chamber made of glass so scientists could observe inmates as they were gassed.
"I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber," he told the BBC. "The parents, son and a daughter."

Population control at its finest.

I thought not being able to feed your citizens was N. Korea's attempt at population control.

They can feed their citizens... but only if those citizens happen to be in the army.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We have gas chambers in America too.

yup- but reporting those would would not confer with the West's agenda driven, anti-North Korean propaganda machine. I'm not saying that this is not true, just trying to point out that the sensationalism this article was written in would only be directed against a government the UN doesn't approve of for other political reasons.

What reasons? You mean like starving/gassing/otherwise killing its citizens? Making them work at slaves? Building up a nuclear stockpile and threatening us with it constantly?
Those types of reasons?

Once again, let me clarify that I am not in support of what they do. However, if you keep an open mind, you might realize that the person giving his testimony to these allegations was a top level Government Agent who defected to South Korea and is considered an enemy of the nation. As a result, his family was captured and killed.

When we captured Saddam's brothers, we killed them too, and Saddam's two sisters went into hiding after being interviewed by CNN. CNN cited various freedoms when the government demanded to know the whereabouts of the sisters and where the interview took place. And let me remind you that those sisters held NO political power, their only connection being the blood relation to Saddam. What does this tell you? perhaps our policies regarding the treatment of an enemy's family members isn't so different after all. The added element of scientific research I consider is largely irrelevant and not a motivating factor to why the family was killed.

As for the political reasons you are looking for, North Korea is a communist nation, among other things, they dispise American presence due to a certain war that happened a few years ago. Yes they did kill their own citizens during times of revolution, but then again, you know of Japanese atrocities (yes, more gas chambers and scientific research) against the rest of Asia during WW2, but they of course don't suffer in the least bit to the hatred that North Korea holds.

don't let your own bias cloud your ability to look at things objectively and with an open mind to all possibilities.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Originally posted by: BillGates

Originally posted by: tagej
Darn it, isn't there *some* natural resource we could exploit if we invade?? Surely we could find something to make it worth our while?

child labor comes to mind

I thought we did that in China, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Myanmar?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We have gas chambers in America too.

yup- but reporting those would would not confer with the West's agenda driven, anti-North Korean propaganda machine. I'm not saying that this is not true, just trying to point out that the sensationalism this article was written in would only be directed against a government the UN doesn't approve of for other political reasons.

What reasons? You mean like starving/gassing/otherwise killing its citizens? Making them work at slaves? Building up a nuclear stockpile and threatening us with it constantly?
Those types of reasons?

Once again, let me clarify that I am not in support of what they do. However, if you keep an open mind, you might realize that the person giving his testimony to these allegations was a top level Government Agent who defected to South Korea and is considered an enemy of the nation. As a result, his family was captured and killed.

When we captured Saddam's brothers, we killed them too, and Saddam's two sisters went into hiding after being interviewed by CNN. CNN cited various freedoms when the government demanded to know the whereabouts of the sisters and where the interview took place. And let me remind you that those sisters held NO political power, their only connection being the blood relation to Saddam. What does this tell you? perhaps our policies regarding the treatment of an enemy's family members isn't so different after all. The added element of scientific research I consider is largely irrelevant and not a motivating factor to why the family was killed.

As for the political reasons you are looking for, North Korea is a communist nation, among other things, they dispise American presence due to a certain war that happened a few years ago. Yes they did kill their own citizens during times of revolution, but then again, you know of Japanese atrocities (yes, more gas chambers and scientific research) against the rest of Asia during WW2, but they of course don't suffer in the least bit to the hatred that North Korea holds.

don't let your own bias cloud your ability to look at things objectively and with an open mind to all possibilities.

Generally, the U.S. dosent round up the families of its enemies (or traitors) and herd them into gas chambers.

I don't really understand what you are getting at in your third paragraph. If you are talking about Japan not taking any heat about its actions during WWII, you are misinformed.

 

[robh23]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: robh23

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosisINVADE

yeah i agree, the iraq war was a year ago, havent we got some new bombs to test out yet? this one would be a real stomp! they are virtually at bows and arrows level ther.also we would get rid of another person who wears "evil glasses"square glasses are officially evil

Really? I thought they were developing nukes? They said so themselves.

what are you guys confederates or unionists? north korea is a feudal slave state. they couldnt fight a girl army cadet force.

thepretence remember who stood up to hitler when he was rounding up jews and starting a war? it was US not the USA, the country you live in and the flag you wave couldnt give a sh!t.

so they have 20 or 30 miles from the border to the korean capital seoul. ok tactical nuke the land in the 10 mile artillery range over the border, and the area near your troops cluster bomb and ecm them. second, tactical nuke the facilities they have for mislles and nuclear stuff. the radiation is gone in a few days.

cnn would be worth watching for a few days.

if china intercepts blockade them and bomb some communist party offices, china cant feed itself.

in terms of roving units, the iraqis supposedly had some as well. in terms of them striking american assets in region early, just keep it on ships and aircraft carriers mainly, or 100 miles south of the border - thats a mornings drive to get into north korea.

north korea are a bird sh1t threat, and their attacks would be about as effective as that or say a dis from reddawn. roll

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: robh23

thepretence remember who stood up to hitler when he was rounding up jews and starting a war? it was US not the USA, the country you live in and the flag you wave couldnt give a sh!t.

NOBODY stood up to Hitler when he was killing Jews, the USA included. Nobody gave a damn about him killing Jews. Who is the US that you speak of?

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: NeoV


America has gas chambers? Show me one ounce of proof that isn't on a geocities web site, and is current.

Is CourtTV proof enough?

Yet some states still authorize, in certain circumstances, electrocution, use of gas, hanging and -- in Idaho, Oklahoma and Utah -- death by firing squad.

http://www.courttv.com/news/death_penalty/121602_deathrow_ap.html