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Yeah, it was an underground test. If it were an atmospheric test, I think NK's neighbors would be a lot more pissed off because of fallout concerns.
Yeah, it was an underground test. If it were an atmospheric test, I think NK's neighbors would be a lot more pissed off because of fallout concerns.
- Jun 22, 2003
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Yep. It really is a no-win situation. However, I don't think Bush's approach could've worked unless everyone followed suit. IIRC, SK was still pursuing its 'sunshine policy' of engagement towards the North while Bush was in power.
Extending our fist was a miserable failure, extending our hand at least worked a little. Since we're not going to attack them, what else do you suggest?
You can't possibly be serious. Why on earth would we attack North Korea? The calculation isn't even close, the answer is no.
IronWing
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Yep. Sit on our hands. Seriously. No trade, no war, no nothing (except watch North Korea like a hawk). If South Korea or China want to try various approaches, fine, but the US really has better things to do with our time and energy than try to resolve the North Korea issue.
We haven't been doing nothing. (well, Bush decided to do nothing for awhile.) Certainly doing nothing is better than attacking them though. You are suggesting because the current situation is bad that we undertake action that would be catastrophic.
JSt0rm
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Lets see the neocons think we should get into another war with a 3rd world country or bring our subs around so we can nuke NK? No wonder they are testing missles and nukes.
and PJ I nominate you. You new code name is solid snake. We will drop you into a mountainous region of nk with a hunting knife and a pack of cigarettes. You will meet up with a young women known as "the black widow" who will give you a laser sight and a small watch computer. You will then go to and disarm all of the nuclear sites and assassinate all of the scientists. then we need to to take the appearance of a gisha girl and head to the bedroom of "Kim the ill" during your sexual encounter you must kill him. At this point escape will be unknown but you will have your cyanide pill implanted into your tooth. God speed. USA!
Lemon law
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Ole North Korea is in big trouble, they bet their economy on their military and now they can't feed their people.
The one bright spot is their current God King, Kim Jong Ill is at near the end of his natural lifespan. And ole Kim has become a one trick pony. He pledges to give up his nukes, the West gives him aid allowing him to feed part of his people, after a while they forget about North Korea, Kim needs more Western aid for food and fuel, so he again stages a nuke test, he again gets bribed with food and fuel, rinse and repeat.
Hopefully the larger world will be smart enough to break out of this cycle, partly aggravated by a long term climate induced drought, and merge the divided Korean governments. Maybe after Kim Jong Ill dies, it may become possible.
As it is, the West refuses to allow North Korea to build up a civilian consumer good export market because they are the commie bad guys, so their options are few and none.
The one bright spot is their current God King, Kim Jong Ill is at near the end of his natural lifespan. And ole Kim has become a one trick pony. He pledges to give up his nukes, the West gives him aid allowing him to feed part of his people, after a while they forget about North Korea, Kim needs more Western aid for food and fuel, so he again stages a nuke test, he again gets bribed with food and fuel, rinse and repeat.
Hopefully the larger world will be smart enough to break out of this cycle, partly aggravated by a long term climate induced drought, and merge the divided Korean governments. Maybe after Kim Jong Ill dies, it may become possible.
As it is, the West refuses to allow North Korea to build up a civilian consumer good export market because they are the commie bad guys, so their options are few and none.
Schadenfroh
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My suggestion would be to retaliate if they do something that harms one of our allies.
Turn their nation to glass in a nuclear fire if they launch a nuke against our allies.
Burn their nation with traditional ordinance if they shell Seoul.
End their regime via conventional war if they invade.
Otherwise ignore them (save for monitoring their troop / weapon deployments) and give them no food / supplies / help. (note: I am not advocating an embargo or blockade, I am against all peace-time embargoes of non-belligerent goods (including Cuba). I am against unconditional aid / giving handouts to a dictator in the hopes of him distributing it in a benevolent manner)
If it becomes obvious that a preemptive assault is necessary, then it should be the South Koreans that make the call, not us.
Why should the U.S. do it? Any military actions taken against them should be handled by their neighbors. If SK, Japan, and even China feel threatened, they need to man up and kick things into high gear. If we attack them, Seoul better break out the kevlar umbrellas, cause a rain storm is comin.
The day the U.S. strikes NK will be the day they say "Guess what? We have a nuclear weapon, mounted on a working long range ICBM, and it is aimed at you."
Lemon law
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Why is it only left to me to note that Schadefroh just passed the piss poor human being test with flying colors. While its no effort for me to
despise the actions of Kim Jong Ill and his equally morally bankrupt father whose has leadership has consigned North Korea to the slow lane
of human progress. But try as hard as I may, I can't find it in my hearts to extent that hatred to the North Korean people. Who just like me, are
victims of bad leadership. GWB&co may have diminished my future, but the starvation of an entire country is a horse of a different color. Must
we pay that starvation price of an entire country to humble just one man who will make sure he is the last man to starve. ?
Our country has enough problems, I don't really care 2 shits about this stuff. If Japan or China or South Korea wants to do something that's their right, but the most I would not suggest either trying to bribe him, or trying to attack him, I say we jsut sit back and deal with our own problems and let someone else play world police this time.
Lemon law
Lifer
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Get a life Deadtrees, the USA always has contingency plans to bomb the pope, mother Teresa, and Mom and apple pie.
Having options is one thing, the rationality of using those options are another thing. If nothing else, what ails us now is the failure to foresee how futile the military options has proved to be.
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Missile Defense System?
if that fails...
...The west coast takes one for the team?
I'm not sure I would honestly have a problem with that.
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