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Norleans Mayor-How did he get into office??
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NikPreviousAcct
No Lifer
Um... he compared mayors. I'm pretty sure that elected officials represent the majority of the people since a majority of them voted to elect them.
Yes, we can get into the whole "30% isn't a majority" if there are more than 2 candidates and all that crap, but I don't really care to. He sounds, looks, and has acted just like an idiot off the street.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
This is an incredibly moronic comparison, but then I guess I have to consider the source.
MikeyIs4Dcats
Lifer
you hve a lot in common then...
NikPreviousAcct
No Lifer
weak
myusername
Diamond Member
You Dumbass.
If you had actually listened to the audio, you would have realized that he had been saying "lickety-split" but deliberately checked himself on both occasions, because of the potential vulgar connotation.
Svnla
Lifer
Let see, the major didn't have any plans for the folks at the Superdome and Convention Center. No food, no water, no protection, nothing. He is very good at cussing and using profanities on interviews. Such a great leader that he is.
The governor didn't request help fast enough. Heck, she didn't even want to give up her authority over the Louisiana National Guard troops. She sure is very good at crying on TV interviews. Way to go to show your leadership.
The Democrat Senator, Ms. Landreu, is side by side with Ms. Governor at every newsconferences, and crying as well as Ms. Governor on various TV interviews. Again, what a way to show your leadership when your people are in needed.
Then we have the slow responses from FEMA, and other federal entities, and the "race" card and of course, Jessie Jackson and various member of the Black Caucus and Representatives and we are in the big mess we are now.
One more thing, the last time I check, the first response in crisis is the local government, NOT the federal. Federal only comes in when state couldn't handle it and asks for help.
The governor didn't request help fast enough. Heck, she didn't even want to give up her authority over the Louisiana National Guard troops. She sure is very good at crying on TV interviews. Way to go to show your leadership.
The Democrat Senator, Ms. Landreu, is side by side with Ms. Governor at every newsconferences, and crying as well as Ms. Governor on various TV interviews. Again, what a way to show your leadership when your people are in needed.
Then we have the slow responses from FEMA, and other federal entities, and the "race" card and of course, Jessie Jackson and various member of the Black Caucus and Representatives and we are in the big mess we are now.
One more thing, the last time I check, the first response in crisis is the local government, NOT the federal. Federal only comes in when state couldn't handle it and asks for help.
My my... did I strike a nerve somehow that you had to resort to name calling?
And as a matter of fact, I did listen to the audio.
He says "lickety spl....quick".
And I don't understand the rest of you sentence. Potential vulgar connotation? For saying what? Lickety split?
MikeyIs4Dcats
Lifer
think about it....
myusername
Diamond Member
Yeah, actually you struck a nerve right up there with the word "ghetto", which was deliberately derogatory and completely inaccurate in this instance. The mayor does have an accent and speak colloquially, but he is definitely worlds more well spoken than "ghetto".
Tongue. Vulva. Do I need to link to pictures?
"Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city of New Orleans in the face of Category-5 Katrina which was expected to make a direct strike on the city early Monday.
Nagin said that the predicted tidal surges and heavy rains could mean widespread flooding and power outages that could last for some time.
The order extends to everyone in the city of New Orleans with the following exceptions: Essential military and law enforcement personnel from the city and state, regulated utilities employees, essential members of the media, hospital employees and their patients, medical personnel, Criminal Sheriff's personnel and inmates and hotels and their patrons.
Nagin said the city could and would commandeer any property or vehicle it deemed necessary to provide safe shelter or transport for those in need.
He also opened the Louisiana Superdome as a shelter of last resort that would begin accepting people around Noon. He said the Dome would have few supplies and that people were expected to bring food and other necessary items. RTA buses were going to be sent to pick up those going to shelters at designated pickup points.
Nagin discouraged staying in the Superdome, saying that people would not have access to power and possibly plumbing. "
Date: 8/26/2005
GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY
CrimsonChaos
Senior member
You can try to support your arguments by being demeaning all you'd like, it only makes you less credible and proves that your statements have no substance.
Being elected into office isn't an "accomplishment" -- it is a career choice. He chose politics as his career, and in this instance he failed the people he was governing. My primary concern is not with his failure, but rather with the fact he will take responsibility, or recognize his own mistakes in the post-hurricane evacuation debacle.
Is the onus completely his? Of course not. The burden of responsibility starts with the people who were too poor or stupid to leave in the first place. And it ends at the US Administrative level. But to say the man deserves no criticism because "he's been under so much pressure" is a perfect example of those individuals who allow the sentimental, media-hyped dribble to overtake the clear and objective facts of the situation.
Its funny how you tell me my comments have no substance when you bring up absolutely no examples of your own.
Being elected to an office is an accomplishment. You can make a career choice to be a mayor or politician all you want but that does not mean you will necessarily accomplish your goal. He was able to convince hundreds of thousands of people to vote him in. His decisions can (and have) directly affected the lives of thousands of people. When you have that much authority, I would consider than an achievement.
If you listened to any of the interviews Nagin gave, he did admit to making many mistakes and knows in hindsight he should have done better. He admitted it on Dateline NBC a couple days ago.
I do agree with you that the onus is on the people who did not leave. Its their choice to stay that put them in harms way. However, the disaster relief effort is the govt's responsibility and I can understand his frustrations in their lack of response because at that point there is nothing he can do but yell and scream for help which is what he has done.
Being elected to an office is an accomplishment. You can make a career choice to be a mayor or politician all you want but that does not mean you will necessarily accomplish your goal. He was able to convince hundreds of thousands of people to vote him in. His decisions can (and have) directly affected the lives of thousands of people. When you have that much authority, I would consider than an achievement.
If you listened to any of the interviews Nagin gave, he did admit to making many mistakes and knows in hindsight he should have done better. He admitted it on Dateline NBC a couple days ago.
I do agree with you that the onus is on the people who did not leave. Its their choice to stay that put them in harms way. However, the disaster relief effort is the govt's responsibility and I can understand his frustrations in their lack of response because at that point there is nothing he can do but yell and scream for help which is what he has done.
Sorry, there's no sexual connotation with the word "lickety split" as far as I'm concerned.
And if that really were the reason he changed it to "lickety quick" (a made-up, nonsensical, bogus term), then he'd be smart enough to not use it twice to make himself sound idiotic and uneducated, i.e. "ghetto".
His speech is far from eloquent which is OK, but when you say "major, major... major" and "man" at the end of each sentence, it's hard for me to even take you seriously.
Amused
Elite Member
Irrelevant and out of context. FEMA SOP is to be invited by, and coordinated with state and local agencies. Think about this for a minute: If FEMA SOP was to move in uninvited and not coordinated with local agencies, you'd have a huge cluster fsck. The problem was, it was already a cluster fsck down there because the local and state governments were completely incompetent.
Granted, FEMA should have moved in and taken total control from the governor two days sooner when they realized the governor and mayor had completely dropped the ball. However, FEMA has advised states that it's response time is a bare minimum of 72-96 hours, and FIRST response is up to state and local agencies.
FEMA was not first on the scene in any past disaster. Not the four FL hurricanes last year, not 9/11, none. It's NEVER been first on the scene, or even been on the scene faster than 72 hours AFTER coordinating with the state and local agencies.
It is painfully obvious that the LA governor and NO mayor dropped the ball in the first 4 days.
BTW, it is also the responsibility of the state to activate the National Guard. For Bush to do so he must first federalize the National Guard, something most states will pitch a fit over.
marsrunner
Junior Member
All those things he did genius. He also declared a state of emergency before the hurricane hit.
Why is it so hard for you to admit that the President did his job, and that the situation in New Orleans was caused by the Mayor and the Governor not doing theirs? That it wouldn't matter who was president if those two were in charge in Louisiana? Yes, the FEMA response was slow, but those people should never have been there in the first place, and a difficult situation for FEMA was made almost impossible by the actions of the Mayor and the Governor.
Amused
Elite Member
Again, compare this disaster to the 4 hurricanes that hit FL last year. In all four cases, the STATE responded first, and the feds took 72-96 hours to come in and coordinate with the state.
The state and local governments in LA were like deer caught in the headlights. They froze and nothing got done. Their preparedness plans were laughable, and their evacuation order had all the teeth of a goldfish.
Compare that to the response of the state and local governments in FL last year, and you see a HUGE contrast.
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