*NonOfficial* Ongoing states striking down same-sex marriage ban thread

[Texashiker]

Gays are tax paying citizens, and really are deserving of the same rights we are.

The term "equal rights" does not encompass the entire marriage equality movement.

What right does society have to tell consenting adults what they should and should not be doing? Isn't that what the gay rights movement is about? If someone lives a certain lifestyle, what right does society have to tell that person, or couple, no?

If gays are granted the right to marry, where does the reform stop?

If states legalized prostitution there would be an uproar and opposition. What goes on between two consenting adults, right?

Shooting heroin, snorting coke, amateur porn movies, teachers having sex with students of legal age,,,,,. How many people have been fired from their jobs because they made amateur porn?

Maybe we need a civil rights movement for what people do in the privacy of their home? If two guys want to pack each others poo, that is a protected right. If a husband a wife make an amateur porn video, they can be fired from their job.

How can society make gay marriage legal, but tell a teacher she can not have sex with an 18+ year old student? What goes on between two consenting adults, right?

Gay marriage is not about equality, or even true social reform. this whole gay movement is about a certain minority group getting their way.

The civil rights movement of the 1960s brought about reform for a wide range of groups, and not "just" blacks. Why should each group have to fight for their rights? Do we need a civil rights movement for blacks, asians, mexicans, german-americans, french-americans, irish-americans, scottish-americans,,,,?

If the gay rights movement is going to be based off of what two consenting adults do, then lets have true social reform, and not "just" for a certain minority group.

Lets abolish the laws used to punish teachers who have sex with adult students, abolish drug laws, abolish sex with animal laws,,,,.

The honest truth is society will never tolerate certain acts. We will always find a way to punish or restrict certain behaviors.

Everyone deserves equal rights, but nobody deserves special treatment. The gay marriage movement is not about equal rights, it is however about special treatment.

 

[cabri]

The term "equal rights" does not encompass the entire marriage equality movement.

What right does society have to tell consenting adults what they should and should not be doing? Isn't that what the gay rights movement is about? If someone lives a certain lifestyle, what right does society have to tell that person, or couple, no?


Everyone deserves equal rights, but nobody deserves special treatment. The gay marriage movement is not about equal rights, it is however about special treatment.

If is those that reject the first bolded statement of yours that are now complaining about the second bolded issue.

If society would leave them alone and treat them as equal; there would not be a need for your "special treatment".
Special treatment is used to compensate when things are not allowed to be equal.

 

[moonbogg]

If two guys want to pack each others poo, that's hot


Lets abolish the laws used to punish teachers who have sex with adult students

If I were gay, I'd agree.

I fully agree and love you for suggesting this. I mean, I really love you. I love you so much I am reconsidering my response to the red quote.

 

[nehalem256]

If society would leave them alone and treat them as equal; there would not be a need for your "special treatment".
Special treatment is used to compensate when things are not allowed to be equal.

Society does leave them alone. That is what they are throwing a fit about. They want society to celebrate their relationships; basically the complete opposite of leaving them alone.

 

[fskimospy]

Society does leave them alone. That is what they are throwing a fit about. They want society to celebrate their relationships; basically the complete opposite of leaving them alone.

No, they want society to treat their relationships the same as any other relationship.

 

[nehalem256]

No, they want society to treat their relationships the same as any other relationship.

So you are saying you don't understand what marriage is. Then perhaps you should stop commenting on same-sex marriage until you educate yourself.

 

[fskimospy]

So you are saying you don't understand what marriage is. Then perhaps you should stop commenting on same-sex marriage until you educate yourself.

No, I understand it perfectly well. What's interesting about your views on marriage is not only that you're ignorant of basic concepts, legal history, and how to form a coherent argument, but you aggressively resist learning.

 

[nehalem256]

No, I understand it perfectly well. What's interesting about your views on marriage is not only that you're ignorant of basic concepts, legal history, and how to form a coherent argument, but you aggressively resist learning.

I am not the one trying to argue that demanding the government recognize my relationship is the same as demanding that the government leave me alone.

I am not sure what is so difficult for you. Marriage is fundamentally about society/government recognizing a given relationship as "special".

 

[cabri]

Society does leave them alone. That is what they are throwing a fit about. They want society to celebrate their relationships; basically the complete opposite of leaving them alone.

Some will not leave them alone and treat them as equals.

You and TH are examples. You want to force your ideas upon them; make them conform to your standards.

 

[nehalem256]

Some will not leave them alone or treat them as equals.

You and TH are examples. You want to force your ideas upon them

Nope. I am all for leaving them alone.

They are the ones demanding that society recognize their relationships.

Really not sure why you are having difficulty understanding that concept.

Is it perhaps because it undermines your entire argument for same-sex marriage?

 

[moonbogg]

I think all marriage should be banned. Its unnatural after all. All of those immoral, horny straight men cheating on their wives just to dip their twinkie in a piece of strange doesn't speak well for the institution. Its like one notch above clerical celibacy.

 

[cabri]

Nope. I am all for leaving them alone.

They are the ones demanding that society recognize their relationships.

Really not sure why you are having difficulty understanding that concept.

Is it perhaps because it undermines your entire argument for same-sex marriage?

You want to treat them as second class people.
All a majority want is to have their union recognized by the law as equal; not separate but equal, but equal. Same benefits/responsibilites as a male/female couple.

That is what you do not want to allow. Same as!

 

[nehalem256]

You want to treat them as second class people.
All a majority want is to have their union recognized by the law as equal; not separate but equal, but equal. Same benefits/responsibilites as a male/female couple.

That is what you do not want to allow. Same as!

So in other words the boldest below is untrue as I said:

If society would leave them alone and treat them as equal; there would not be a need for your "special treatment".

They don't want society to leave them alone.

And they are not being treated a second class people. Their relationships are being treated as second class, because their relationships are decidedly less valuable to society.

Treating unequal things as equal isn't equality its inequality.

 

[TheSiege]

So in other words the boldest below is untrue as I said:



They don't want society to leave them alone.

And they are not being treated a second class people. Their relationships are being treated as second class, because their relationships are decidedly less valuable to society.

Treating unequal things as equal isn't equality its inequality.

How are they less valuable?
And who decided they are less valuable?

 

[nehalem256]

How are they less valuable?

For the same reason Bill Clinton didn't technically lie under oath

And who decided they are less valuable?

Essentially every society in the world for centuries or millenia.

 

[SlickSnake]

How are they less valuable?
And who decided they are less valuable?

Essentially every society in the world for centuries or millenia.

That's pure D bullshit. Just for a start, a billion plus people in India would have to disagree with you. And that's a helluva lot older civilization than ours, by a factor of 10s of thousands of years. Need I go on with more examples? And if you don't even know the gay history you are trying to argue about by now, then anyone trying to inform you otherwise is just pissing in the wind and wasting their time by arguing with you, just like arguing with TexassTakeAHiker.

 

[nehalem256]

That's pure D bullshit. Just for a start, a billion plus people in India would have to disagree with you. And that's a helluva lot older civilization than ours, by a factor of 10s of thousands of years. Need I go on with more examples? And if you don't even know the gay history you are trying to argue about by now, then anyone trying to inform you otherwise is just pissing in the wind and wasting their time by arguing with you, just like arguing with TexassTakeAHiker.

WTF are you talking about man?

According to the tenets of Hinduism, marriage is a sacred relationship, a sacrament, and a divine covenant meant for procreation and continuation of family lineage.[5] It is a vow between two people to stay together and uphold traditional family values in accordance with the Dharma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Marriage_Act

Seems to me that Hindu's agree with my view on marriage

 

[SlickSnake]

The term "equal rights" does not encompass the entire marriage equality movement.

What right does society have to tell consenting adults what they should and should not be doing? Isn't that what the gay rights movement is about? If someone lives a certain lifestyle, what right does society have to tell that person, or couple, no?

If gays are granted the right to marry, where does the reform stop?

If states legalized prostitution there would be an uproar and opposition. What goes on between two consenting adults, right?

Shooting heroin, snorting coke, amateur porn movies, teachers having sex with students of legal age,,,,,. How many people have been fired from their jobs because they made amateur porn?

Maybe we need a civil rights movement for what people do in the privacy of their home? If two guys want to pack each others poo, that is a protected right. If a husband a wife make an amateur porn video, they can be fired from their job.

How can society make gay marriage legal, but tell a teacher she can not have sex with an 18+ year old student? What goes on between two consenting adults, right?

Gay marriage is not about equality, or even true social reform. this whole gay movement is about a certain minority group getting their way.

The civil rights movement of the 1960s brought about reform for a wide range of groups, and not "just" blacks. Why should each group have to fight for their rights? Do we need a civil rights movement for blacks, asians, mexicans, german-americans, french-americans, irish-americans, scottish-americans,,,,?

If the gay rights movement is going to be based off of what two consenting adults do, then lets have true social reform, and not "just" for a certain minority group.

Lets abolish the laws used to punish teachers who have sex with adult students, abolish drug laws, abolish sex with animal laws,,,,.

The honest truth is society will never tolerate certain acts. We will always find a way to punish or restrict certain behaviors.

Everyone deserves equal rights, but nobody deserves special treatment. The gay marriage movement is not about equal rights, it is however about special treatment.

There is so much wrong here that it would take me literally an hour to counter more of his gay bashing bullshit point by point.

Sportage said it best recently in this BS science study gay gene topic TH started: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2385915

Im all for reparative therapy.
For republicans....
I truly believe your average typical bigoted republican can be reparative therapied into a humane intelligent earthly creatured member of society.
I do so want to believe that.... I do. I do. I do.
Bring on the reparative therapy.
For republicans....

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36428888&postcount=292

 

[moonbogg]

Nice topic, thanks!

Glad I finally got hitched after 30 years last week! Woohoo and stuff! :thumbsup: :whiste: :thumbsup:

You got hitched? You and your man I presume? Congratulations! Is he an ATOTER as well or is he more of the refined type?

 

[SlickSnake]

WTF are you talking about man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Marriage_Act

Seems to me that Hindu's agree with my view on marriage

So. By twisting my words around now just because you can't win a debate makes you right? Where did I mention gay marriage? You are implying gays are a less valuable member of society, and not accepted equally. In India, HISTORICALLY, this is not the case, and gays are by and large accepted in their society. And homosexuality is NOT explicitly forbidden according to Hinduism. Now, there are 155 year old colonial British laws in place concerning homosexuality that gays are fighting about there, as we speak. But HISTORICALLY (prior to the 18th century and British colonialism) homosexuality was accepted as normal in their society and gays were not ostracized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India

Historical literary evidence indicates that homosexuality has been prevalent across the Indian subcontinent throughout history, and that homosexuals were not necessarily considered inferior in any way until about 18th century.[15]

By the way, HIV transmission in India dropped down to HALF the levels they were when they repealed their puritanical Christian British colonial laws against homosexuality in 2008. Something which should interest TexassHiker since one of his arguments for banning gays to marry and gay rights is a RISE in HIV/AIDS. Which was proven FALSE in a country with a billion plus people in it.

http://world.time.com/2013/12/11/homosexuality-is-criminal-again-as-indias-top-court-reinstates-ban/

“India was being looked upon as a model for reform of the anti-sodomy law. This is a huge set back not just for the morale of the LGBT community but also a blow for India’s very successful fight against HIV.”

Decriminalizing homosexuality, the United Nations had told India in 2008, would allow successful intervention programs and help in the fight against HIV/AIDS. India had in fact halved new HIV infections in recent years.

 

[SlickSnake]

You got hitched? You and your man I presume? Congratulations! Is he an ATOTER as well or is he more of the refined type?

Yes, me and my hubby tied the knot at last after nearly 30 years! :$:wub:

And thank you for the support! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

He don't post here, because he's way too busy for it, frankly, but he reads some of the posts here that piss me off the most, lol.

 

[nehalem256]

So. By twisting my words around now just because you can't win a debate makes you right? Where did I mention gay marriage? You are implying gays are a less valuable member of society, and not accepted equally. In India, HISTORICALLY, this is not the case, and gays are by and large accepted in their society. And homosexuality is NOT explicitly forbidden according to Hinduism. Now, there are colonial laws in place concerning homosexuality that gays are fighting about there, as we speak. But HISTORICALLY (prior to the 18th century and British colonialism) homosexuality was accepted as normal in their society and gays were not ostracized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_India

So you are complaining that I was talking about my same-sex marriage in a thread about same-sex marriage?

Seems to me that you are really making my case for me. India accepted gays, but marriage is still between a man and a woman according to Hinduism and in India.

Seems to me that despite not hating gays India still found opposite-sex relationships to be more important.

 

[thraashman]

You know, I blocked nehalem because I was tired of his rampantly stupid beyond words bullshit, yet people keep quoting him so I see so much of it anyway. Seriously, everyone here knows he's fucktarded beyond any possible redemption. How about we all just block him, or at least stop replying to him? Maybe he'll just eventually leave to go troll other shores. Because honestly, the only way you're going to make him act like a decent human being at this point would be to smash his head with a crow bar until only the most basic functionality is left. Because as nothing but a living vegetable, drooling mess would be the only way he could not be a piece of shit.

 

[SlickSnake]

So you are complaining that I was talking about my same-sex marriage in a thread about same-sex marriage?

Seems to me that you are really making my case for me. India accepted gays, but marriage is still between a man and a woman according to Hinduism and in India.

Seems to me that despite not hating gays India still found opposite-sex relationships to be more important.

Indeed. Words and meanings and stuff. Maybe you need to finally stop with all the ridiculous gay bashing bullshit now.

 

[nehalem256]

Indeed. Words and meanings and stuff. Maybe you need to finally stop with all the ridiculous gay bashing bullshit now.

According to you failing to recognize gay relationships isn't "gay bashing".

See for example everything you wrote above about Indian culture and gays.