non lethal alternative to guns for home protection

[MtnMan]

Agreed. Lethal ones certainly have no potential legal ramifications.

Castle Doctrine, look it up.

Mileage may vary in your state.

 

[John Connor]

http://www.amazon.com/Mace-Brand-Pepper-Spray-Gun/dp/B004YWKF8C

 

[Spacehead]

Hire Kevin McCallister as your home security expert

 

[NutBucket]

Doesn't work unless he knows they're coming ahead of time

 

[Meghan54]

Beautiful pup!

I've always said, for 24/7 protection, nothing beats a dog. Guns only work when you're home and awake. Dogs, on the other hand, work when you're there or gone.

No sneak thief/opportunist will chance trying to get through your front/back door with a big barking dog on the other side.

 

[balloonshark]

Before you go spraying mace or pepper spray you might want to look into the cost of having professionals come in and clean it up.

As for me I jump out of the closet in assless chaps, a gimp mask after taking a Viagra and chase them off. Once word gets out to the other criminals I won't have to worry about anyone coming back.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Uhhhh... A shotgun would be ideal.

Load your shells in a certain order. First round is a pepper shell. Second and third are beanbag rounds. If they still don't get the message have the other shells be lethal.

And you also don't have to worry as much about the pellets penetrating through the wall and killing your children when and if you miss.

 

[zinfamous]

Needed bigger bullets...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-mom-shoots-home-intruder-face-article-1.1234400

"Sign our Assault Weapons ban!" petition at the bottom of that article.

 

[highland145]

Good article.

"According to a 2011, study from the University of Pennsylvania, victims in possession of firearms were 4.5 times more likely to be shot and 4.2 times more likely to be killed than unarmed victims."

Reason?

Because people aren't as bad assed as they think they are, maybe. "Fear me, I have a gun." Bam, criminal takes your gun because you should have just pulled the trigger.

"Sign our Assault Weapons ban!" petition at the bottom of that article.

I signed it since I can't get an assault weapon anyway.

 

[zinfamous]

I signed it since I can't get an assault weapon anyway.

well, that article is from 2013 and is a response to Sandy Hook, so I'm not sure how much traction you will get, anyway.


Which brings me to another point--that incident in the article is right at 2 years old. I often see the "guns made america free so give me all the guns and let me shoot everyone" type people always posting the same handful of incidents where some homeowner shot an intruder.

At the same time, such people always, and without fail, argue against mass shootings as "rare" and "anecdotal" to the point that "coconuts are deadlier than shooting events!" (which, of course, would be relevant only to people that live under coconut trees, but let's continue) and twist and turn to defend the rarity of home defense incidents as "the media just doesn't want to report them!" (lol--that is so stupid: every local paper reports every local event. The Gun industry is so fucking brimming over with cash research teams that you know every incident that ever occurs is certainly being reported and tracked by those people. This is relatively easy to find for the wealthiest lobbying group anywhere. Of course, when they don't like what their research tells them, they blame the very sources that they depend on for not reporting--or maybe creating? more incidents)

So, mass shootings are "rare" and not worth discussing, but home defenses are rare and worth discussing--because reasons? Of course, they are only rare because "that just isn't true that they are rare." sounds strange.

Anyway, here is what is actually happening: a handful of mostly the same home defenses mentioned over and over again, years out, and yet already this year, we are cresting 350 mass shootings in this country (that's more than 1 per day for the math-challenged).

I'm trying to understand why that isn't worth discussing compared to the other?

Not tied, really, in any way to your post, but it got me thinking.

 

[highland145]

Enjoy the rare and rarely reported.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/search/?s=ARMED%20CITIZEN

After spending 2 years on the county grand jury, I saw that many multiples of criminal events aren't reported. We would average ~150 felony cases/month. These were the ones that didn't plead out and wanted a trial. Who knows how many took a deal. I do know that the county sheriff's department has ~70K incidents/year (140K peeps in the county). Could be a loud music call or a murder, it gets a case #. That does not include cases from the other 6 or 7 leo agencies (cities) in the county.

Anyway, I like to like that article to show people that they need bigger bullets. And that some punk thief got shot in the face...5 times.


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[jlee]

Uhhhh... A shotgun would be ideal.

Load your shells in a certain order. First round is a pepper shell. Second and third are beanbag rounds. If they still don't get the message have the other shells be lethal.

And you also don't have to worry as much about the pellets penetrating through the wall and killing your children when and if you miss.

If you're faced with a lethal threat, this is a terrible idea because you're three rounds away from being effective. If you're faced with a non-lethal threat, this is a terrible idea because you have no justification for deadly force.

There's a reason that law enforcement shotguns used for less-lethal purposes are generally orange. Lethal ammunition should never be loaded in them.

 

[PliotronX]

But you're going to pay 2-3x the price of a regular shotgun.

A poor choice for indoor use. Projectile tasers require several feet of range in order for the probes to engage a decent spread. A lot of cops have been hurt or killed because they were too close for their taser to deliver an effective jolt.

Golf clubs and baseball bats are non-lethal?

You would have to get a solid strike on the face, neck, or spine to even venture into lethality with these but you can more easily disable an attacker with them and they are a little more ranged so give you an advantage over somebody armed with a knife (see knife attack videos against dudes with chairs, 2x4s, etc.).

 

[JulesMaximus]

Panic room and a cell phone?

 

[GRIFFIN1]

If home protection was of real concern then homes would be built to prevent intrusion.

Since it's actually just misguided simpletons worried about brown people and their $500 TV's, and whatever other cheap shit they've crammed into their cardboard houses, then guns are a fitting solution.

It's the people in the house that I want to protect. Not everyone that breaks into a house is going to be happy with just taking your valuable items. Sometimes they start raping and killing the people in the house.

 

[waggy]

Panic room and a cell phone?

would be perfect. but not realistic for a good portion of society.

IF i were to build a new house I would have one. Not just for someone breaking in but tornado protection too.

It's the people in the house that I want to protect. Not everyone that breaks into a house is going to be happy with just taking your valuable items. Sometimes they start raping and killing the people in the house.

exactly. I can replace everything in the house. but i have a kids and i value them more then some asshat entering my house.

 

[Humpy]

It's the people in the house that I want to protect. Not everyone that breaks into a house is going to be happy with just taking your valuable items. Sometimes they start raping and killing the people in the house.

You just sort of want to protect them, at a minimal expense, because in the extremely unlikely event that someone invades your house to steal, rape, and kill you have decided that firing lead balls around the house at someone, who is also likely to fire lead balls around the house back at you, is how you will "protect" the people in the house.

I'd rather have a gun than not in the event of a home invasion but that's based on fear, not reality. If there was an actual need for home protection our houses would look more like the white neighborhoods in Johannesburg. Here people are convinced that you just buy a gun and suddenly you're John McClane.

 

[Carson Dyle]

"According to a 2011, study from the University of Pennsylvania, victims in possession of firearms were 4.5 times more likely to be shot and 4.2 times more likely to be killed than unarmed victims."

Reason?

Because people aren't as bad assed as they think they are, maybe. "Fear me, I have a gun." Bam, criminal takes your gun because you should have just pulled the trigger.

And accidents. And suicides. And domestic arguments. And just plain doing stupid things because you have a gun in your hand.

Everyone makes their own decisions, but those are pretty fucking bad odds. The last thing anyone should be doing is recommending that someone else increase their odds of getting killed by a factor of four.

 

[highland145]

And accidents. And suicides. And domestic arguments. And just plain doing stupid things because you have a gun in your hand.

Everyone makes their own decisions, but those are pretty fucking bad odds. The last thing anyone should be doing is recommending that someone else increase their odds of getting killed by a factor of four.

Didn't think about those. Was just considering intruders.

Looks like the bear spray wins.

 

[twinrider1]

If home protection was of real concern then homes would be built to prevent intrusion.
....

Basically, this. Real security is about layers.

 

[gorb]

Uhhhh... A shotgun would be ideal.

Load your shells in a certain order. First round is a pepper shell. Second and third are beanbag rounds. If they still don't get the message have the other shells be lethal.

And you also don't have to worry as much about the pellets penetrating through the wall and killing your children when and if you miss.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

"00 Buck penetrates 4 walls with ease. It is a great “Stopping” round, but there is a price to pay. Until someone invents a “Phaser” like on Star Trek, anything that will stop a bad guy, will also penetrate several walls."

 

[NutBucket]

That's why you use hollowpoints in a handgun