Non-HDMI Xbox 360 (1080p over component)

[Agentbolt]

So I've got a line on some refurbed Xbox 360's that come from a reliable dealer. They're non-HDMI versions though. So I'm wondering if the old-school non HDMI versions have any limitations.

I'll be plugged it via component into my Sammy DLP TV, which DOES accept 1080p over component. And the 360 appears to be perfectly capable of outputting 1080p games over component.

However, with all the new NXE stuff, I just want to make sure I'm not losing out on anything here. I know Netflix stuff will output over component okay, but the screenshot I saw of it working was only 1080i. I'm figuring this is simply a limitation of the TV (I know most don't accept 1080p over component) but I want to make sure the Xbox 360 will ouput everything (games and movies) in 1080p via component.

Also there's no other drawbacks, are there? It's an old premium so I'll have the HDD and everything. I realize it could very well RROD, and getting warranty service on it would be dicey at best since I'm not the original owner and won't have a receipt, but assuming I'm willing to take that risk is there anything else I wouldn't be able to do with it?

Thanks!

 

[JoPh]

not that i know of

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: JoPh
not that i know of

Also make sure that you're getting a killer deal because buying those old consoles = risky business in terms of reliability.

 

[RedRooster]

Turns out I'm a retard. Carry on.

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff

Originally posted by: JoPh
not that i know of

Also make sure that you're getting a killer deal because buying those old consoles = risky business in terms of reliability.

160 bucks with a 60 day warranty. My other option would be an HDMI version for 190 bucks with the same warranty. I guess for the extra 30 bucks, I might have to just bite the bullet for the reliability.

One thing is I don't plan on using an HDMI cable anyways, because I was to use an optical cable for 5.1 out. (Apparently you can't run optical from the Xbox when using HDMI because the HDMI cord blocks the AV output)

My receiver doesn't accept audi via HDMI, so I'd either have to use component and an optical cable, or plug the HDMI into the TV directly and run a digital audio cable from the TV to the receiver. (It's an older sammy that doesn't have 1.3 HDMI, so I'm not sure that'd even work)

 

[Qbah]

Is it a Pro or Elite? If it's an Arcade why don't you get a new one for 200$ - and a Jasper if you look good enough. Coolest, most quiet one yet. And probably most reliable.

As for running HDMI and Optical... I do that right now. HDMI to my HDTV and there's this thing I could plug in that has an optical out. I'm running it to my X-Fi front panel that passes it onto my speakers. Works without any problems. I own a Falcon Elite though. But I guess it's the same for the lower models?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff

Originally posted by: JoPh
not that i know of

Also make sure that you're getting a killer deal because buying those old consoles = risky business in terms of reliability.

160 bucks with a 60 day warranty. My other option would be an HDMI version for 190 bucks with the same warranty. I guess for the extra 30 bucks, I might have to just bite the bullet for the reliability.

One thing is I don't plan on using an HDMI cable anyways, because I was to use an optical cable for 5.1 out. (Apparently you can't run optical from the Xbox when using HDMI because the HDMI cord blocks the AV output)

My receiver doesn't accept audi via HDMI, so I'd either have to use component and an optical cable, or plug the HDMI into the TV directly and run a digital audio cable from the TV to the receiver. (It's an older sammy that doesn't have 1.3 HDMI, so I'm not sure that'd even work)

You can get the Arcade for $199 + tax and $29.99 for the 20gb HD and 3 months of X-Box Live at any time. With the most recent deals, you could've purchased the Arcade for $160 + tax. I'd say it's a bad move to buy either of those refurbed consoles.

Also, the 360 can do Optical + HDMI. You either need a special piece offered for sale/comes with the 360 Elite, or you can remove the casing on the one of the connectors so they'll fit next to each other.

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff

Originally posted by: JoPh
not that i know of

Also make sure that you're getting a killer deal because buying those old consoles = risky business in terms of reliability.

160 bucks with a 60 day warranty. My other option would be an HDMI version for 190 bucks with the same warranty. I guess for the extra 30 bucks, I might have to just bite the bullet for the reliability.

One thing is I don't plan on using an HDMI cable anyways, because I was to use an optical cable for 5.1 out. (Apparently you can't run optical from the Xbox when using HDMI because the HDMI cord blocks the AV output)

My receiver doesn't accept audi via HDMI, so I'd either have to use component and an optical cable, or plug the HDMI into the TV directly and run a digital audio cable from the TV to the receiver. (It's an older sammy that doesn't have 1.3 HDMI, so I'm not sure that'd even work)

You can get the Arcade for $199 + tax and $29.99 for the 20gb HD and 3 months of X-Box Live at any time. With the most recent deals, you could've purchased the Arcade for $160 + tax. I'd say it's a bad move to buy either of those refurbed consoles.

Also, the 360 can do Optical + HDMI. You either need a special piece offered for sale/comes with the 360 Elite, or you can remove the casing on the one of the connectors so they'll fit next to each other.

The Arcade also lacks the HD component cables, which I'll need for the optical audio output. Those run another 30 bucks. There's a big difference between 260 bucks for the Arcade, HDD, and hd cables vs 160 or 190 bucks for a refurbished premium.

 

[jhbball]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
So I've got a line on some refurbed Xbox 360's that come from a reliable dealer. They're non-HDMI versions though. So I'm wondering if the old-school non HDMI versions have any limitations.

I'll be plugged it via component into my Sammy DLP TV, which DOES accept 1080p over component. And the 360 appears to be perfectly capable of outputting 1080p games over component.

However, with all the new NXE stuff, I just want to make sure I'm not losing out on anything here. I know Netflix stuff will output over component okay, but the screenshot I saw of it working was only 1080i. I'm figuring this is simply a limitation of the TV (I know most don't accept 1080p over component) but I want to make sure the Xbox 360 will ouput everything (games and movies) in 1080p via component.

Also there's no other drawbacks, are there? It's an old premium so I'll have the HDD and everything. I realize it could very well RROD, and getting warranty service on it would be dicey at best since I'm not the original owner and won't have a receipt, but assuming I'm willing to take that risk is there anything else I wouldn't be able to do with it?

Thanks!

As far as I know, anything over a component cable, is not *true* 1080p. The aspect ratio is correct though. For example, you could select "1920x1080" from the display menu. But that's still 1080 interlaced, not progressive scan.

True 1080p requires a VGA connection, or HDMI/DVI.

Someone correct if I'm wrong though, it's been a while.


Edit: looks like I'm a bit wrong. I think movies are the only issue. Some sets will accept games 1080p over component.

 

[pennylane]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 360 won't upscale DVD's (or anything not considered an HD resolution) over component.

Is that true for VGA also?

Does Netflix streaming apply?

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
So I've got a line on some refurbed Xbox 360's that come from a reliable dealer. They're non-HDMI versions though. So I'm wondering if the old-school non HDMI versions have any limitations.

I'll be plugged it via component into my Sammy DLP TV, which DOES accept 1080p over component. And the 360 appears to be perfectly capable of outputting 1080p games over component.

However, with all the new NXE stuff, I just want to make sure I'm not losing out on anything here. I know Netflix stuff will output over component okay, but the screenshot I saw of it working was only 1080i. I'm figuring this is simply a limitation of the TV (I know most don't accept 1080p over component) but I want to make sure the Xbox 360 will ouput everything (games and movies) in 1080p via component.

Also there's no other drawbacks, are there? It's an old premium so I'll have the HDD and everything. I realize it could very well RROD, and getting warranty service on it would be dicey at best since I'm not the original owner and won't have a receipt, but assuming I'm willing to take that risk is there anything else I wouldn't be able to do with it?

Thanks!

As far as I know, anything over a component cable, is not *true* 1080p. The aspect ratio is correct though. For example, you could select "1920x1080" from the display menu. But that's still 1080 interlaced, not progressive scan.

True 1080p requires a VGA connection, or HDMI/DVI.

Someone correct if I'm wrong though, it's been a while.


Edit: looks like I'm a bit wrong. I think movies are the only issue. Some sets will accept games 1080p over component.

There's no bandwidth issues preventing 1080p over component. If it weren't for the goddamn movie companies and their ICT, component would still be a completely viable solution. I do know my TV is in the SOLID minority being able to accept 1080p over component, however.

Regardless, I decided to just get an Arcade anyways. An HD component set to plug the optical cable into is only like 15 bucks, and thanks to the helpful folks here, now I know I can use HDMI and 5.1 without a problem by just levering the casing off the HD thingie.

What really swayed me is Anand's Jasper article. If I'm virtually guaranteed to have meltdown issues within a year, better to spend the extra 80 bucks now. Now I get to peruse the "Finding a Jasper" thread to try to figure out my best way to score one.

 

[BD2003]

Dont get too caught up in the 1080p deal - the 360 is a 720p system that can output over 1080p. There's no actual image quality gain at 1080p.

And if youre running it over component, it might look worse than 720p as 1080p requires quite a bit more bandwidth. Component 1080p can be done, but it can't necessarily be done well. This is still an analog signal, so you can make it output whatever you want, but its not going to look any better than the cable can handle.

The only reason I could ever think of to run 1080p natively (espc on comp.) is if you're watching HD-DVDs, or your TV has no internal scaler. And something tells me youre not watching HD-DVDs.

 

[Agentbolt]

What are you talking about? The 360 ha several natively 1080p games.

http://www.makeyougohmm.com/xbox360-1080p-games/

1080P CAN OUTPUT FINE OVER COMPONENT. There's no freaking bandwidth issue preventing it.

 

[Netscorer]

I have one of those 'original' Premiums with 20Gb HD and run it via component cable on 1080p resolution to Samsung DLP - I had never have any issues with it and picture is as clear and sharp as the one from my PS3 running video over HDMI.
But yeah, unless you got a deal for less then $100 for a refurb, I'd go the way of buying new Arcade and then adding an HD from Ebay. You could get the whole setup for about $250. Just a little word of advise - don't buy 20GB HD - ti's too small for what you can store on Xbox with all those demos, Rock Band DLCs and preinstalled games.

 

[gar655]

Unless your Samsung is bigger than 50" you won't see any difference between 720 and 1080 anyway, unless you sit 3 feet from it.

Gene

 

[phantom404]

Not sure about anyone else but when I switched over from component to hdmi and ran both at 1080p I def tell the difference. That was on my ps3 though.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: gar655
Unless your Samsung is bigger than 50" you won't see any difference between 720 and 1080 anyway, unless you sit 3 feet from it.

Gene

Boy do I hate misinformation regarding 1080p.

Even 10 feet of a 50 inch display you can see the difference with 1080p.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
What are you talking about? The 360 ha several natively 1080p games.

http://www.makeyougohmm.com/xbox360-1080p-games/

1080P CAN OUTPUT FINE OVER COMPONENT. There's no freaking bandwidth issue preventing it.

Virtua tennis was the only one I was familiar with, but speaking generally, the vast, vast majority of 360 games are 720p (or less).

And as I said, you can certainly output set the 360 to output it, if your TV will accept 1080p over component. To my knowledge, the majority wont, although that may have changed. The 360 cable isnt very long and I'd assume the quality of the cable is decent so it might be able to do a decent job. But component was never designed to handle 1080p. 720p and 1080i are virtually the same bandwidth, 1080p requires twice as much. There's nothing preventing you from hooking the 360 up with an RF adapter either, but that doesnt mean itll do it well.

Unless you actually have one of those native 1080p games, there's still no good reason to run 1080p on your 360 over component.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
What are you talking about? The 360 ha several natively 1080p games.

http://www.makeyougohmm.com/xbox360-1080p-games/

1080P CAN OUTPUT FINE OVER COMPONENT. There's no freaking bandwidth issue preventing it.

Virtua tennis was the only one I was familiar with, but speaking generally, the vast, vast majority of 360 games are 720p (or less).

And as I said, you can certainly output set the 360 to output it, if your TV will accept 1080p over component. To my knowledge, the majority wont, although that may have changed. The 360 cable isnt very long and I'd assume the quality of the cable is decent so it might be able to do a decent job. But component was never designed to handle 1080p. 720p and 1080i are virtually the same bandwidth, 1080p requires twice as much. There's nothing preventing you from hooking the 360 up with an RF adapter either, but that doesnt mean itll do it well.

Unless you actually have one of those native 1080p games, there's still no good reason to run 1080p on your 360 over component.

What in the sam hell are you talking about?

Component video has been in use for broadcast applications at much higher resolutions than 1080p. Coaxial cable has insanely high bandwidth.

FYI - 1080/60i and 1080/30p are exactly the same bandwidth wise.

Audio/video misinformation drives me up the wall and yet it is spread all over the intarweb.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
What are you talking about? The 360 ha several natively 1080p games.

http://www.makeyougohmm.com/xbox360-1080p-games/

1080P CAN OUTPUT FINE OVER COMPONENT. There's no freaking bandwidth issue preventing it.

Virtua tennis was the only one I was familiar with, but speaking generally, the vast, vast majority of 360 games are 720p (or less).

And as I said, you can certainly output set the 360 to output it, if your TV will accept 1080p over component. To my knowledge, the majority wont, although that may have changed. The 360 cable isnt very long and I'd assume the quality of the cable is decent so it might be able to do a decent job. But component was never designed to handle 1080p. 720p and 1080i are virtually the same bandwidth, 1080p requires twice as much. There's nothing preventing you from hooking the 360 up with an RF adapter either, but that doesnt mean itll do it well.

Unless you actually have one of those native 1080p games, there's still no good reason to run 1080p on your 360 over component.

What in the sam hell are you talking about?

Component video has been in use for broadcast applications at much higher resolutions than 1080p. Coaxial cable has insanely high bandwidth.

I've had shitty component cables that could do a decent 480p but struggled to do 720p/1080i. I'm not denying that the 360 cable could be decently built that it can carry a decent signal. What consumer application goes higher than 1080p anyway? There are few enough TVs that even accept 1080p over component (every one in my house refuses), that even mentioning anything higher is completely irrelevant.

FYI - 1080/60i and 1080/30p are exactly the same bandwidth wise.

No kidding? But the 360 isnt going to output 1080p/30, its going to do 1080p/60.

Audio/video misinformation drives me up the wall and yet it is spread all over the intarweb.

:roll:

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Just get the VGA adapter, it's true HD.