Non-embryonic stem cell success story
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Cuda1447
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Wow awesome, I love science and technology. It is reasons like this that i firmly believe our natural lifespan will rise a great deal in the next 50-100 years. Of course, all these people living longer might be bad overall, but I think we will have the technology to prolong life a lot longer than it is now.
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ericlp
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Ya know... I can't keep track of all of bush's fuck ups. We need to a book on all the idiotic decisions this asshole has made...
Other then that! Excellent news and should have and "COULD" have been in the news four years early if we didn't have a fucking moron running the country.
Other then that! Excellent news and should have and "COULD" have been in the news four years early if we didn't have a fucking moron running the country.
Are you sure? Every university has an ethics review board that must approve all potentially objectionable research. Many journals require studies to follow their prescribed protocols for the treatment of human cadaver tissue and even animal tissues. Some areas of research should undoubtedly be shut down. For example, I've yet to hear an ethicist accept that reproductive human cloning should be allowed.
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What's wrong with embryonic stem cell research again?
You guys do realize we take tens of thousands of embryos, crush their skulls and throw them in the dumpsters every year right?
Why not put them to good use instead of turning them into maggot food?
You guys do realize we take tens of thousands of embryos, crush their skulls and throw them in the dumpsters every year right?
Why not put them to good use instead of turning them into maggot food?
It was Bush's caving in to the RRs pressure to shut down stem cell research. As a result, the US is losing its edge in this area.
Because a huge percentage of the population finds it unethical. Because embryonic stem cells are not proven to be any more effective than regular stem cells.
If people want to privately fund it then so be it. I do not want my tax dollars paying for something I feel is unethical.
If you're referring to the war I don't have much to say on that. With the evidence we had at that time it was the right thing to do. With the evidence we have now it was not.
Hmm I guess I was saying that in reference to this topic ie: what type of stem cells can be researched on. I suppose everything has to go through the IRB and like you said that is where a lot of the ethical considerations come in, but we shouldn't kid ourselves and think we are at the stage of reproducing an entire human. A lot of stem cell research is still getting down basic concepts, and even in cases where we have primitive "organs" or even more "Advanced ones" (Anthony Atala and his crazy work with Kidneys come to mind) we aren't sure what exact mechanisms are taking place.
And let us be honest - stem cell research, tissue engineering, all of this regenerative medicine is really going to lead to human cloning. Once we fully understand SC, once we (however long that takes) have a good grasp to quickly, reliably and safely produce tissues, once we know the best ways to regenerate tissues for whatever purpose....it is all going to tie in to cloning.
Of course to me this is when huge ethical issues DO arise (imagine living forever if we can someone figure a way to transfer memories between bodies) and society has to consider what to do (tangent: although I have this feeling that they'll say 'fuck it' in the end and still do it; its easy for us to say no to what we cannot achieve yet, but tell that to future generations who would want to , for example, live forever)...right now the research that is preformed in no way directly ties to the goal of cloning. What we are learning is still building the basic fundamental science and that could be used in a thousand ways.
Learning the information to me should (almost
) never be banned - it always the application of that information that we need to consider....and for quite a while now and for the foreseeable future we are still simply accumulating knowledge and learning which is why I stated (although I shouldn't have made it an absolute - buts its very close to it) that we shouldn't be shutting off avenues of research because it accumulates knowledge and the increase of knowledge is (absolutely ) NEVER a bad thing.What evidence? There was no soild evidence to start a war.
BTW, you chose your username very well.
That's not what I said. I said that some avenues of research should be shut down if they are deemed unethical by those who govern such things. I gave one unrelated example that every ethicist seems to agree on: reproductive cloning. I'm not saying that reproductive cloning will arise from stem cell research or even that stem cell research is unethical - I'm just using it as the most obvious example of something that should not be allowed due to ethical considerations.
I disagree. Once the information is available, those with less concern for ethical applications will surely use them. If we accumulate knowledge that can only be used to do something unethical, then chances are the accumulation of that knowledge is also unethical, even if it is only because it is a means to enable an unethical end.Learning the information to me should (almost
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
That's not what I said. I said that some avenues of research should be shut down if they are deemed unethical by those who govern such things. I gave one unrelated example that every ethicist seems to agree on: reproductive cloning. I'm not saying that reproductive cloning will arise from stem cell research or even that stem cell research is unethical - I'm just using it as the most obvious example of something that should not be allowed due to ethical considerations.
I disagree. Once the information is available, those with less concern for ethical applications will surely use them. If we accumulate knowledge that can only be used to do something unethical, then chances are the accumulation of that knowledge is also unethical, even if it is only because it is a means to enable an unethical end.Learning the information to me should (almost
Unquestionably in my opinion, the most interesting argument going on in this thread.
It would be interesting to see it debated among a group of your clones.
Okay I'll give you that. I did go off topic and your response is fair. If anything I may want to question (At times) the decisions of "those who govern things".
I disagree. Once the information is available, those with less concern for ethical applications will surely use them. If we accumulate knowledge that can only be used to do something unethical, then chances are the accumulation of that knowledge is also unethical, even if it is only because it is a means to enable an unethical end.[/quote]Learning the information to me should (almost
I don't believe knowledge that is accumulated can only be used to do something unethical.
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