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Nokia sues Apple

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Chris
Nokia still exists?
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Outside of your bubble they are the largest handset manufacturer in the world. Why am I not surprised to see you here to defend your boyfriend, Mr Jobs?
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lol I was wondering when he would get here.
 
I hope Apple gets owned hard on this. Nokia is going to get some SERIOUS cash for this.
 
The patent system is stupid. IMO they should just abolish it... Business is business. Nobody should be allowed to "own" an idea. It's just stupid. I'm not an Apple fan or anything but still, this is just stupid. Companies will patent something just so they can try to stop their competition.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
The patent system is stupid. IMO they should just abolish it... Business is business. Nobody should be allowed to "own" an idea. It's just stupid. I'm not an Apple fan or anything but still, this is just stupid. Companies will patent something just so they can try to stop their competition.
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It definitely needs to be reformed.
 
It's interesting to see how people react in threads about technology patents. We rarely know enough details to reach any kind of conclusions, yet everyone always picks a side. If it's a small company that owns the patent, they're usually accused of being a patent factory that patents broad ideas that someone else came up with. In this case the target of the lawsuit is Apple, and not surprisingly people are jumping to conclusions based on their feelings about Apple. Chris is here to defend Apple of course and the Apple haters are, not surprisingly, hating Apple.

I think a lot of you need to reevaluate how important Apple is in your life.
 
Nokia pretty much invented cell phones are definitely invented smart phones... sound like Apply just stole all their tech to make their phone, they should be paying royalties for it...
 
I am not an attorney, but my admittedly limited understanding of the patent system led me to believe that the courts/patent office frowned upon companies using submarine patents and only crying foul after years of violations in order to try and get as much money as possible. If Apple's violation was so gross and obvious, why did it take Nokia 2+ years to get around to suing? This leads me to think (as others have speculated) that this is Nokia's nuclear option in a contentious licensing dispute.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
It's interesting to see how people react in threads about technology patents. We rarely know enough details to reach any kind of conclusions, yet everyone always picks a side. If it's a small company that owns the patent, they're usually accused of being a patent factory that patents broad ideas that someone else came up with. In this case the target of the lawsuit is Apple, and not surprisingly people are jumping to conclusions based on their feelings about Apple. Chris is here to defend Apple of course and the Apple haters are, not surprisingly, hating Apple.

I think a lot of you need to reevaluate how important Apple is in your life.
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i think that instead of passing judgement off on us, you should reevaluate how important this topic is to you and how it applies to your life. there isn't enough information yet...:\
 
Originally posted by: Gothgar
Nokia pretty much invented cell phones are definitely invented smart phones... sound like Apply just stole all their tech to make their phone, they should be paying royalties for it...
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No and no. Motorola invented the cell phone, Nokia wasn't even 2nd to the market with a cell phone. And as for them definitely inventing smart phones? Kryocera released the first one, not 100% sure who invented them, but I know it wasn't Nokia.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
No and no. Motorola invented the cell phone, Nokia wasn't even 2nd to the market with a cell phone. And as for them definitely inventing smart phones? Kryocera released the first one, not 100% sure who invented them, but I know it wasn't Nokia.
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Not sure if this is what he meant, but Nokia surely was instrumental in bringing viable, every-day phones to the market. They might not have been the first to do so, but they were definitely the most successful. They set a trend which the rest of the industry soon followed...well, anyone who was making bar phones at least.

As for Apple getting sued...if it's true they are infringing on anyone else's intellectual property and refuses to pay up for others' R&D, then take it to 'em. I don't know if Apple has patented it, but I remember hearing how multitouch was not available on Android phones because Apple considered that their idea. If they don't want to share but expect others to for free, F them.
 
From what I can tell, Nokia took so long because they were trying to negotiate with Apple in good faith. Once that fell apart then they decided that suing was the only way to go. I don't know the particulars, but in most tech industries you can't build anything without infringing on a competitors' patents so you make cross licensing deals. My guess is that Apple wants to keep their patents to themselves, but still use other companies' patents.

IANAL or an industry insider, but that's what it seems like to me.
 
Originally posted by: Lithium381
Originally posted by: mugs
It's interesting to see how people react in threads about technology patents. We rarely know enough details to reach any kind of conclusions, yet everyone always picks a side. If it's a small company that owns the patent, they're usually accused of being a patent factory that patents broad ideas that someone else came up with. In this case the target of the lawsuit is Apple, and not surprisingly people are jumping to conclusions based on their feelings about Apple. Chris is here to defend Apple of course and the Apple haters are, not surprisingly, hating Apple.

I think a lot of you need to reevaluate how important Apple is in your life.
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i think that instead of passing judgement off on us, you should reevaluate how important this topic is to you and how it applies to your life. there isn't enough information yet...:\
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Which is the point... why pick a side when there is not enough information yet?
 
Certainly interesting. Obviously none of us have any idea of the particulars or the legal issues, but on the surface it would seem like this could have legs.
 
Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in Delaware, alleging that Apple's iPhone infringes Nokia patents for GSM, UMTS and wireless LAN (WLAN) standards. As a leading innovator in wireless communications, Nokia has created one of the strongest and broadest patent portfolios in the industry, investing more than EUR 40 billion in R&D during the last two decades. Much of this intellectual property, including the patents in suit, has been declared essential to industry standards. Nokia has already successfully entered into license agreements including these patents with approximately 40 companies, including virtually all the leading mobile device vendors, allowing the industry to benefit from Nokia's innovation.

The ten patents in suit relate to technologies fundamental to making devices which are compatible with one or more of the GSM, UMTS (3G WCDMA) and wireless LAN standards. The patents cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007.

"The basic principle in the mobile industry is that those companies who contribute in technology development to establish standards create intellectual property, which others then need to compensate for," said Ilkka Rahnasto, Vice President, Legal & Intellectual Property at Nokia. "Apple is also expected to follow this principle. By refusing to agree appropriate terms for Nokia's intellectual property, Apple is attempting to get a free ride on the back of Nokia's innovation."

During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 10,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of GSM technologies and its evolution to UMTS / 3G WCDMA as well as wireless LAN, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent position in these technologies.
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