Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I have reviewed my prior statements, your original post, and subsequent responses to me and have concluded that I did not take your question sufficiently theoretically because I can see no real world data that would imply that I should.
That said, I raised what I think is a similar and perhaps even more relevant question in another thread, something to the effect, 'Is it racist to say that racism causes harm.'
To say that it does would be to admit, it seems to me, that blacks suffer the effects of racism from both the present and the past, but also admit that such harm might also represent both something that needs fixing but also a handicap. So is it racist to say that blacks suffer under a handicap? We know, for example, that if you tell somebody they are stupid and do it often and forcefully enough, they will never grow up trusting in their intellect and will avoid areas of competition where intellect matters.
So with regard to whether it would be racist to admit racial differences we need to first know what is genetic, truly racial, and what are the product of other things. In other words we need real examples and not theoretical questions.
Here is the meat of the matter M. When it comes to racial issues, it is generally true that much that can be explained by ignorance MUST be attributed to malice. Watson for whatever reason expressed his view. Now it does not matter why he did, or if he was correct. He has to be destroyed. He needs to be hated. Anyone who does not use the right phrases, or asks uncomfortable question regardless of validity must be suppressed. It's "The Man" that keeps people down, and asking about that means you are "The Man". No examination of the plight of blacks in the inner city can go beyond oppression. One cannot question a culture where violence is glorified. One cannot acknowledge that it's often not "cool" to do well in school in many places. Well, not if one is in the public eye. Those who do are certainly racist, and must be punished. It's only "The Man" who is at fault, and that is anyone else who can be blamed.
Until people can be free to make fools out of themselves or question basic assumptions (the "correctness" of those questions is not the point) then there will never be progress. I have heard that a good working definition for freedom is being able to hold unpopular opinions without fear of retribution. We certainly have far to go.
Why is it acceptable to be a gansta' but not do well in school? That's a question that blacks themselves have asked my wife when trying to work around their own educational deficiencies.
Why is it OK, to live off the state but not cool to get a job? Why is it OK to say "get a job" yet make no provisions for the practical resolution of the problem?
Why is it wrong to make people work for that check, even if it's from the government?
Why should someone expect a person who has no education or opportunity for decent work to want to get off of welfare?
Why should we pay people to have babies?
The useful question is "What are the real issues and how can they be addressed?"
Until people get past being "offended" and listening to viewpoints they don't want to hear, then we'll never even begin to really try and change things. We'll just collectively stand around looking awkward.
Looks like you're another one that I can safely add to the list in my sig, most of whom have been banned for their stupidity at this point.
