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Yeah, cuz AMD isn't going DDR2 in the next revision, right? 😉

Pwned? Hardly. If you think his references had any merit, or coincided with the discussion at hand (which they didn't), then you have the same problem he does. 😉
 
Meh, i was just trying to make a point.

While i completely agree with you that PCI-e is the way to go, not all of us are made of money like yourself, so just having an AGP option would be a godsend.

Plus, i love my Neo2...i don't wanna give her up 😛
 
Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: Ronin
I'm constantly amazed at people who simply will NOT give up a fight, no matter how many times they've been told what they're saying is simply, well...wrong.

There is NOT going to be an X1800 AGP part, period. I told you this some time ago, and I'm reiterating it now. Drop it, and live with it. If you can't live with it, try and not post cheerful "It might happen!". You're kidding yourself by doing so, and to be honest, you're just annoying other people (and for the record, this isn't pointed at anyone in particular, but in general to the populace who refuse to move forward with technology because they feel the justification isn't there, and watch as everyone else moves ahead of them).
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Yeah I heard there are still people who like to run their cars on gasoline. My god who are these people? They should just get over it. Don't they know battery operated cars and hydrogen chambers are the new thing?

And lets not forget about BTX! My AMD 64 reached a zizzling 39 degrees C. Im hoping BTX comes along and chills this little guy before it has a melt down.

And how about those 512 MB GTXs?!!?!?! I didn't know 256 Extra Megs of RAM could increase the performance like that!!!! (besides the 30% clock rate increase)
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Pwned 😀

Oh wait, there's no f*ckin' benefit to it, just like there's no benefit at this moment in having PCI-e unless one is running SLI :roll:
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but having pci-e DOES offer big benifits, like the support of R520, G70 😉
 
Originally posted by: n7
Meh, i was just trying to make a point.

While i completely agree with you that PCI-e is the way to go, not all of us are made of money like yourself, so just having an AGP option would be a godsend.

Plus, i love my Neo2...i don't wanna give her up 😛
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See, THAT is a perfectly acceptable reason, and I can accept that (I still have my Neo2, with a FX55 on it, actually, so it's still in service). 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Budarow
IMO...we will see X1800 cards in AGP in several months and after the price of the X1000 chips start to fall. Since the GPUs just became available a short time ago, they are very expensive and board makers have good reason to seriously doubt that too many folks would actually be willing to drop $500 (or more) on an AGP card. Since NO new mobo designs seem to be coming out in AGP, the AGP platform is really more "dead" than alive at this point.

The above DOES NOT mean that there isn't a LOT of demand for high end AGP video cards at this moment. It simply means the perceived financial risk by the video card makers is still too high for them to invest in ultra expensive GPUs for the dying AGP platform.

When the GPUs drop in price, the board makers won't be taking on as much risk by making AGP cards (i.e., it's more likely for them to sell 5k-10k AGP cards at ~$300 than at $500).

However, the longer it takes for the X1800 GPUs to drop in price the more unlikely it becomes for us to see AGP cards (i.e., every day more and more peeps switch over to PCI-E which means demand for high end AGP cards decreases little by little).

Regards,

Bud
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I agree with this analysis. If AGP X1800 does come it will come after the initial release and after some significant price drops.
 
Originally posted by: X-bit labs
ATI RADEON X1800 XL and XT graphics processors feature native PCI Express x16 interface, thus, to make a graphics card with AGP 8x based on the chip will require a special PCI Express-to-AGP bridge called ATI Rialto.
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I am assuming these Rialto things are not available yet. Anyone know if they will be available anytime soon?

 
HAHAHAHAHA this is hilarious.
Good.

It feels great to see all the little AGP boys go down with bad news like this. I remember when Nforce4 was on the horizon I was posting on the net to wait for it to get PCIE.. but everyone said BUY WHATS AVAILABLE NOW, GET AGP!

Hope they are enjoying those Nforce3s NOW 😀
 
bahahahaha! must be stuck on an nf3 🙂

this is a sweet victory for me, in ways that are out of my control.. but it it feels good nontheless.. time to pony up the money NOW because you refused to do so before AGP peeps :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: JeReMY
Originally posted by: X-bit labs
ATI RADEON X1800 XL and XT graphics processors feature native PCI Express x16 interface, thus, to make a graphics card with AGP 8x based on the chip will require a special PCI Express-to-AGP bridge called ATI Rialto.
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I am assuming these Rialto things are not available yet. Anyone know if they will be available anytime soon?
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Yeah, they exist. IIRC there were used on some x800 series cards to make the agp version.

Now, whether you can ever buy them at the retail level is another matter. What would you do with one any way, make your own card?

Maybe someone will make a PCIe > agp adapter with them. Although the resultant height of the card+bridge would prolly be a problem. Might be some voltage/power issues as well. If I understand correctly the PCIe slot puts out more voltage than the agp slot is capable of.
 
you would think after all the emails they would just make the crad thing about how much money they could make off it.
 
hmm. Ronin, your power of persuasion baffles me as much as your witty remarks.

Maybe im overly bitter about the industry switch to PCI-E, but at least I have an excuse.

What's yours?
 
Originally posted by: southpawuni
HAHAHAHAHA this is hilarious.
Good.

It feels great to see all the little AGP boys go down with bad news like this. I remember when Nforce4 was on the horizon I was posting on the net to wait for it to get PCIE.. but everyone said BUY WHATS AVAILABLE NOW, GET AGP!

Hope they are enjoying those Nforce3s NOW 😀
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My upgrade path will always be based on what's available and my present budget. Your adolescent post will not change that. It does tell something about the mentality of someone who would actually gloat over a minor issue like this.
 
Originally posted by: southpawuni
HAHAHAHAHA this is hilarious.
Good.

It feels great to see all the little AGP boys go down with bad news like this. I remember when Nforce4 was on the horizon I was posting on the net to wait for it to get PCIE.. but everyone said BUY WHATS AVAILABLE NOW, GET AGP!

Hope they are enjoying those Nforce3s NOW 😀
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I'm not sure exactly why you feel the need to make fun of people who still use AGP and aren't ready to move to PCI-E yet. 😕

:thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: southpawuni
HAHAHAHAHA this is hilarious.
Good.

It feels great to see all the little AGP boys go down with bad news like this. I remember when Nforce4 was on the horizon I was posting on the net to wait for it to get PCIE.. but everyone said BUY WHATS AVAILABLE NOW, GET AGP!

Hope they are enjoying those Nforce3s NOW 😀
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I'm not sure exactly why you feel the need to make fun of people who still use AGP and aren't ready to move to PCI-E yet. 😕

:thumbsdown:
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why?

he is the fellow that compares Rollo to Jesus. 😉

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: Ronin
I'm constantly amazed at people who simply will NOT give up a fight, no matter how many times they've been told what they're saying is simply, well...wrong.

There is NOT going to be an X1800 AGP part, period. I told you this some time ago, and I'm reiterating it now. Drop it, and live with it. If you can't live with it, try and not post cheerful "It might happen!". You're kidding yourself by doing so, and to be honest, you're just annoying other people (and for the record, this isn't pointed at anyone in particular, but in general to the populace who refuse to move forward with technology because they feel the justification isn't there, and watch as everyone else moves ahead of them).
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Yeah, and that RDRAM was a *GREAT* idea wasn't it? Next best thing.

There are millions of AGP boards out there. AGP bandwidth is adequate to support an X1800. So what's the deal? I upgrade regularly, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be forced to go buy another motherboard or PC when I know I can get another year or two out of it just buy upgrading the video card and/or CPU. Looks like my next video card will have be a nVidia GPU.

In addition, I have a Shuttle Small Form Factor PC, so it is isn't just a matter of upgrading the mobo, its the whole PC! I'm not made of money. I have a limited amount of funds that is dedicated to my gaming and PC habit, which obviously most of the manufacturers don't understand. I see AGP as a money making opportunity, but I guess the manufacturers would just rather insult the AGP guys and laught at them.
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
he is the fellow that compares Rollo to Jesus. 😉

:roll:
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He's also the guy who just received a one week vacation.

Originally posted by: southpawuni
blah blah blah i dont need a witty response to tell you to eat my ass.
if you dont know the law and have any suggestions then why are you here?

because you're a troll?
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Originally posted by: AnandTech Moderator
Better yet, why are you here?
Take a week off and learn some manners.
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http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1738519&enterthread=y
 
Originally posted by: southpawuni
HAHAHAHAHA this is hilarious.
Good.

It feels great to see all the little AGP boys go down with bad news like this.
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You are the man now doggie!
 
i hate to say this AGP is DEAD. even if Nvidia or ATI does release a AGP version of the x1800 or G70 this will probaly be the last go around. i hate the fact for me to upgrade my card, i have to upgrade my board(DFI nf3) as well. oh well, that's how technology screws you over sometimes.
 
yeah, its time to sell the agp boards and move along while you can still get some decent money money for them.

either that, or just accept mid-low high end cards as your best graphic option, which isn't too bad.
 
Originally posted by: rise4310
yeah, its time to sell the agp boards and move along while you can still get some decent money money for them.

either that, or just accept mid-low high end cards as your best graphic option, which isn't too bad.
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OR buy a nextgen console with is better than "not too bad"
:thumbsup:

i will upgrade when i want to . . . not just when ATI or nVidia's marketing has determined there isn't "demand" for a $500 AGP card
:roll:
 
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