"No we can't" - Hillary 2016

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theeedude

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Hillary knows what she is talking about, unlike the Sanderistas.
If the public option, which she supported since the early 90s couldn't pass a Democrat Congress, what hope is there for Medicare for all in a Republican Congress?
What Sanders supporters don't get is that the President doesn't get a magic wand.
 

theeedude

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The electorate will finish her off, if the DOJ doesn't do their job first. I'm sure she's praying that she becomes POTUS, especially because, if a Republican gets in the White House. New AG, new president and she's in deep, deep shit. Republicans actually prosecute people. Democrats take care of their own nasty rats. I've watched this throughout Obama's entire presidency. Lois Lerner, Kathleen Sebelius, Eric Holder, John Koskinen and the whole VA fiasco. This administration covers for and gives people passes, when they should be hung high for their crimes. We need to retake our government.

Republicans won't prosecute jack shit. They are knee deep in corruption, and they can't govern, so it's only a matter of time before a Democrat POTUS is back in the White House, and they will be the ones going to jail.
 

fskimospy

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Hillary knows what she is talking about, unlike the Sanderistas.
If the public option, which she supported since the early 90s couldn't pass a Democrat Congress, what hope is there for Medicare for all in a Republican Congress?
What Sanders supporters don't get is that the President doesn't get a magic wand.

It's a pretty weird dynamic that's happening. People say they want some radical changes and then when people point out how they are unlikely to happen they are somehow branded as the enemy.

I sincerely hope the same sort of insanity that has overtaken conservatives doesn't keep gaining purchase amongst liberals.
 

theeedude

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It's a pretty weird dynamic that's happening. People say they want some radical changes and then when people point out how they are unlikely to happen they are somehow branded as the enemy.

I sincerely hope the same sort of insanity that has overtaken conservatives doesn't keep gaining purchase amongst liberals.

They are the same people who are too high and/or lazy to show up to vote in congressional elections. But they expect magic because they bother to wake up every four years. We are living in a country where we already have a single payer system passed for a lot of working poor people, but blocked at the state level by Republicans in many red states. And those people are too stupid to show up to vote to fix even that. But they think they are going to get Medicare for all? When pigs fly.
 

theeedude

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Obama said "Yes We Can" on a public option too, but couldn't, even with a 60/40 Democrat Senate and a Democrat House.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/12/22/74682/obama-repeatedly-touted-public/
— In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan.”
Isn't it time for Sanderistas to learn some lessons about what the President can and can't get done in the real world?
 

Londo_Jowo

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I'm currently unemployed, and used to make about 75 K a year with a lot of benefits.

I don't need to be preached at about what people need to be empowered to do.

I was working part time when I was 14 around 1975 and have pretty much worked full time since 1980.

Middle class jobs in manufacturing have been farmed out all over the place, I have done aerospace work the vast majority of the last 20 years.

I'm not even on unemployment or any government program at the moment, I'm depleting my savings from the last 30 years working in tool shops. Fortunately the wife makes pretty decent money also in the mean time, and we have no children.

You seem to be way off in thinking I want to "entitle" anyone.

What are you saying really ? Bernie is going to wave a magic wand with no support for legislation ?

I'm confused.

I will finally be going back to work full time in 2 weeks after my previous position was eliminated 9/18/15, signed the job offer this past Friday and currently waiting for background checks to be completed and guidance on where to go for my pre-employment drug testing. I could not get unemployment benefits as I received 25 weeks severance pay and had cobra insurance provided for 3 months.

I'm glad my new position pays 35% more than my previous position, the benefits are much better with lower premiums (40% less).

Protip: German companies treat their German employees far better than their non-German employees.
 

Indus

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Obama care is garbage. Most people I know who are on it have absolutely shit coverage with very high deductibles, only because they were forced to buy it. Those who can't afford to pay for it and have it, also have shit coverage. How about we make this country great and prosperous again, where employers can hire people who want to work full time and can once again provide medical coverage? How about we start to empower people again to accomplish great things and stop enabling them to be so dependent on the government? We are raising a society of lazy, entitled, spoiled brats. We are not doing people any favors by enabling them to stay down in the mud. We are creating a society of slaves to poverty and government dependence. Don't deny it, it's a fact.

I may be wrong but you sound like a Trump supporter. Now without trying to change your mind, I'll tell you why I'm apprehensive about the guy..

I experienced this myself.. I went up to Plattsburgh NY with my spouse for a cheap vacation and showing the beautiful mountains in my state. On our way back, we were pulled over from cars and asked to form a queue where non uniformed cops (if they were cops) were asking questions. They asked someone with a Russian/ Eastern European Accents.. do they have green cards? They answered yes and let them go without checking. They asked me and my wife to show our legal papers and thoroughly checked them even though I don't have any accent except a New York city one.

My spouse and I are both asian and though it might be wrong to claim racism here.. it's obvious we didn't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to what legal status.

That's why I don't trust Trump's deportation force. Sounds more like the gestapo and considering Trump's use of eminent domain, I'm really apprehensive.

Regarding Obamacare.. I like it. My spouse was covered and for her first real winter last year in the USA, she got bronchitis twice. That was not fun but atleast it was easy to get her to see a doctor and get the meds we wanted. I really like the part of insurance companies can't just drop you from coverage when it's not profitable for them anymore.. though honestly that single line law would have sufficed for me over the 1000+ page bill. The part I don't like is that out of network astronomical payments still exist and sometimes people have accidents and can't necessarily be wheeled into their network hospital.

Now to the most important bit about making this country great and prosperous again.. has it been great and prosperous since the 1970's and the oil shock? I honestly think we've been sold on a fake dream since then.. flat screen tv's and led's and apple ipads but nowdays I can't even find anything in my house that's Made in America anymore besides my weber bbq grill. It was not that way 20-25 years back.

So to make our country great again, we don't necessarily have to kick people out.. we have to tell corporations and billionaires and multi millionaires, they can't necessarily make profits from cheap overseas labor as they have for the last 30-35 years. Tax the fuck out of them till they see the light that made in America is better for them and us. So yes I would tax Trump at 100% of all income generated from overseas labor but ofcourse people will call me some liberal idiot for proposing that.

And not that you will listen to me.. but food stamps are a safety net. The government won't even allow you to take food stamps until you are down to like your last $2000 in your bank account but it's easy for people to call others bums and leechers.

That said I can't stand Hildabeast. My neighbor had a problem with his son's green card. It was held up for 9 years because he's a military age male for "security check" and after countless letters to Senator Clinton, she never replied. I had a problem with my spouse's green card taking longer than usual by 4 months and guess what.. Senator Gillibrand's office called me back within 2 days and talked to the USCIS and got things working. We got our green card within 2 weeks of me contacting her.

Hildabeast seems like Trump lite.. hungry for power, narcissitic, uncaring and unable to do anything that helps the American middle class except throw a cookie. Well I want more than a cookie.. that's why I don't support either Trump or Hildabeast.
 
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waggy

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Obama care is garbage. Most people I know who are on it have absolutely shit coverage with very high deductibles, only because they were forced to buy it. Those who can't afford to pay for it and have it, also have shit coverage. How about we make this country great and prosperous again, where employers can hire people who want to work full time and can once again provide medical coverage? How about we start to empower people again to accomplish great things and stop enabling them to be so dependent on the government? We are raising a society of lazy, entitled, spoiled brats. We are not doing people any favors by enabling them to stay down in the mud. We are creating a society of slaves to poverty and government dependence. Don't deny it, it's a fact.

Yes obama care is garbage. My insruance took a dump. i had damn good care for $1k a month. it went to shit and was useless oh and still cost me 1k a month. had to go on my wife's. it's crap but better crap.

i like your idea but it won't work. To many things would need ot change and neither the GOP or DNC are willing to make those changes. we need to kill jobs from going overseas, company's from going over, the Visa program and cut down the number of illegal immigrants .
 

alcoholbob

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OMG.




Hey, I love Bernie but... while he is right on most issues, his chances of actual success
Absolutely, it is tragic that Bernie Sanders will never be the president because he is right up there with FDR and JFK, and LBJ minus LBJ's screwed up war.
But that is the way it is.


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I take exception to you lumping JFK and LBJ together. JFK was quite conservative and his immigration policy was 180 degrees from LBJ's.

JFK wanted an immigration policy that was at least 50% based on highly qualified/skilled immigrants that would improve the economy, whereas LBJ wanted to prioritize family ties in order to build up the democratic voterbase through immigration reform. 80% of the growth in entitlement spending since 1965 is directly as a result of LBJ's 1965 immigration act which went in the complete opposite direction of JFK's ideals.
 

Jhhnn

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I take exception to you lumping JFK and LBJ together. JFK was quite conservative and his immigration policy was 180 degrees from LBJ's.

JFK wanted an immigration policy that was at least 50% based on highly qualified/skilled immigrants that would improve the economy, whereas LBJ wanted to prioritize family ties in order to build up the democratic voterbase through immigration reform. 80% of the growth in entitlement spending since 1965 is directly as a result of LBJ's 1965 immigration act which went in the complete opposite direction of JFK's ideals.

Link us up to the source of that delusion, OK?

I need a laugh.
 

Indus

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I take exception to you lumping JFK and LBJ together. JFK was quite conservative and his immigration policy was 180 degrees from LBJ's.

JFK wanted an immigration policy that was at least 50% based on highly qualified/skilled immigrants that would improve the economy, whereas LBJ wanted to prioritize family ties in order to build up the democratic voterbase through immigration reform. 80% of the growth in entitlement spending since 1965 is directly as a result of LBJ's 1965 immigration act which went in the complete opposite direction of JFK's ideals.

LOL!

Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon would be called ultra-socialists nowdays compared to where conservatives are. The political landscape changed after Reagan.
 

Bowfinger

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We have a Congress with dismal approval ratings, and a presidential hopeful with big ideas. When I see people who say "electing him is a waste of time because neither the Senate or Congress will work with him to pass any of it.
What's the alternative? Elect a president who goes along with the same bullshit? Letting lobbyists make all the decisions? There's only one way to fix our problems. Continually putting people in positions who do the will of the people.
These same idiots probably pat their Congress on the back because no matter what Obama tries to do, they take the opposite viewpoint. Idiots.
Indeed. The American people are a bit unhinged in their voting habits. Most agree we need change, but then turn around and vote for more of the same. I think this is partly because of the elite's divide and conquer strategy. By keeping both ends of the political spectrum hateful and fearful of each other, voters vote against the greater evil of the other party rather than voting for good, honest candidates who might actually clean up the system.
 
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mysticjbyrd

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What shocks me is that people believe Hillary will pass anything remotely progressive. The bills she will pass will include,

More Wars

More corporate welfare

More corrupt supreme court justices - established oligarchy

More bad trade deals

If we are stupidly lucky we might get some extremely mild changes to college loans, and obamacare. If this is good enough for you, then wtf are you even doing?
 
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fskimospy

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What shocks me is that people believe Hillary will pass anything remotely progressive. The bills she will pass will include,

More Wars

More corporate welfare

More corrupt supreme court justices

More bad trade deals

If we are stupidly lucky we might get some extremely mild changes to college loans, and obamacare. If this is good enough for you, then wtf are you even doing?

Still waiting for you to define progressive. lol.
 

fskimospy

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I already did....

Explain why the above is good, and I will do it again.

No you didn't. You tried to use a super vague statement that meant nothing. I predict you will never define progressive in any quantifiable way. If you did people can bury your bullshit in minutes.

Again, you're every bit as irrational as the conservatives you likely despise.
 

mysticjbyrd

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No you didn't. You tried to use a super vague statement that meant nothing. I predict you will never define progressive in any quantifiable way. If you did people can bury your bullshit in minutes.

Again, you're every bit as irrational as the conservatives you likely despise.
You sound emotional right now. Are you that upset about being rejected as a progressive?

Conservative - holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

That's you! It's like explaining politics to a small kid.
 
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fskimospy

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You sound emotional right now.

Very rational response. I invite you to justify Bernie's policies using quantifiable metrics. Math doesn't care about your ideology.

It's sad that you have become so personally identified with a politician. There's no reason to do so. My guess is that you are very young.
 

Bowfinger

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What shocks me is that people believe Hillary will pass anything remotely progressive. ...
As Senseamp suggests, your comment applies to Sanders as well. POTUS doesn't get a magic wand. As long as the GOP controls Congress, there will be little "progressive" legislation passed regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office. Eski is exactly right that your blind zeal for Sanders is just as irrational -- and obnoxious -- as that of GOP zealots.
 
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mysticjbyrd

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Very rational response. I invite you to justify Bernie's policies using quantifiable metrics. Math doesn't care about your ideology.

It's sad that you have become so personally identified with a politician. There's no reason to do so. My guess is that you are very young.

Fine.

Conservative - holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

That's you! lol

It's like explaining politics to a small kid.

As Senseamp suggests, your comment applies to Sanders as well. As long as the GOP controls Congress, there will be little "progressive" legislation passed regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office. Eski is exactly right that your blind zeal for Sanders is just as irrational -- and obnoxious -- as that of GOP zealots.

Bernie has a chance to pass legislation in 2018. These is 0% chance Hillary passes truly progressive legislation.

Bernie's scotus is more than enough to make him one of the most influential president's in recent history.
 
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fskimospy

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Fine.

Conservative - holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

That's you! lol

It's like explaining politics to a small kid.

I see no quantifiable definition there, just flailing attempts to convince yourself that people telling you that you're wrong are 'conservatives'.

Why is it so hard for you to define progressive in a way that can be objectively evaluated? Is it that you just want to be able to rant without consequence?
 

TheGardener

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Republicans won't prosecute jack shit. They are knee deep in corruption, and they can't govern, so it's only a matter of time before a Democrat POTUS is back in the White House, and they will be the ones going to jail.
I'll agree with the first sentence. The Republicans are afraid of mutual assured destruction. But before condemning Republicans, and I have no real problem with that, you Dems should first clean up your own backyard. No more of a toxic waste dump than the Clinton's backyard.