"No we can't" - Hillary 2016

[mysticjbyrd]

"No we can't"

Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come To Pass"

What a great slogan!


I can't wait to see how people try to support this...

 

[compuwiz1]

The electorate will finish her off, if the DOJ doesn't do their job first. I'm sure she's praying that she becomes POTUS, especially because, if a Republican gets in the White House. New AG, new president and she's in deep, deep shit. Republicans actually prosecute people. Democrats take care of their own nasty rats. I've watched this throughout Obama's entire presidency. Lois Lerner, Kathleen Sebelius, Eric Holder, John Koskinen and the whole VA fiasco. This administration covers for and gives people passes, when they should be hung high for their crimes. We need to retake our government.

 

[MongGrel]

Why do you keep reposting stuff OP ?

GOP should have prosecuted some of their own people long ago. But what else is new.

I guess I've seen it attempted a few times in this state, but they manage to weasel out of it and advance.

 

[compuwiz1]

Why do you keep reposting stuff OP ?

GOP should have prosecuted some of their own people long ago. But what else is new.

I guess I've seen it attempted a few times in the state, but they manage to weasel out of it and advance.

I don't disagree with you on that. Bush and Cheney should both be hanging high as well. I want some fucking accountability again. We used to have it, we don't anymore.

 

[MongGrel]

I don't disagree with you on that. Bush and Cheney should both be hanging high as well. I want some fucking accountability again. We used to have it, we don't anymore.

+1

 

[sportage]

OMG.
Listen....
What Hillary is saying is we can not start all over pre-Obamacare and have this debate all over again about healthcare.
What Hillary is saying, that we must "build" on Obamacare, with adding the public option and fixing drug costs, allowing for cheaper drugs from Canada, etc etc.
And Hillary is absolutely right, regardless if you like or dislike Hillary personally.

Bernie wants to have his all for one national healthcare program, and I agree with that too. But we all know Bernie has no chance in hell going up against a republican house and republican senate to have it his way.
Just remember that political cost for democrats to get what we have now, Obamacare.
Republicans will try even harder after Obama is gone to gut Obamacare, not fix it.

The danger here is that Bernie as president will need to spend all of his waking hours just defending current Obamacare, and keep it in place as is.
Not allowing republicans to chip away at it.
What Obamacare brought to Americans were the benefits that even republicans benefit from. The Obamacare insurance "reforms".
Ending the preexisting clause, ending cap limits, forcing insurance to spend more on actual care and less on advertisement, making healthcare portable, and adding a whole slew of health programs directed at women.
Bernie will have his hands full fighting republicans just to maintain the reforms brought about from Obamacare.
Hillary promises to do that.

Bernie has this pie in the sky idea that we can scratch everything and start all over with total national healthcare for all.
And get congress to go along.
Good luck with THAT, president Bernie.

Hey, I love Bernie but... while he is right on most issues, his chances of actual success are nil.
Bernie would need a full democratic controlled house and senate to have things his way.
And that would be assuming the democrats wouldn't screw things up on their side butting heads against Bernie.
Democrats in congress are just as owned and operated by the healthcare for profit system as republicans are.

Twist Hillary all you want, but her path is the correct path.
Hillary could get that public option attached to Obamacare, and then fix the drug cost far before Bernie could have his national healthcare system.
And that is exactly what Hillary is talking about, and she is right.
Hillary's whole point is, we cannot afford to have this healthcare debate all over again from square one.

And Bernie is flat wrong about banking reform as well, for the very same reasons.
You must chip away at the status quo with banking and wall street reforms.
You just can't change it with one grandiose swoop as Bernie imagines, not as long as we have a two party republican vs democrat system.

Absolutely, it is tragic that Bernie Sanders will never be the president because he is right up there with FDR and JFK, and LBJ minus LBJ's screwed up war.
But that is the way it is.
Hillary knows you must work with what you have to work with.
And I have no doubts Hillary will be much more aggressive and successful than laid back hands off Obama ever was.

Hillary can improve things for average working class middle America thru realistic banking reforms and tweaking Obamacare. Bernie would fail and spend his four years whining and complaining just like Jimmy Carter spent his four years doing.
Then come 2020 some wannabe Ronald Reagan carbon copy would come along from the republican side and toss Bernie out on his butt, just like they did Jimmy Carter.

Bernie is correct, theoretically speaking, but what can he actually achieve by whining, bitching, and waving his cane in disgust for four years?
And Americans don't like a whiner. Just ask Jimmy.
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[MongGrel]

I do not always agree with sportage, but I have to agree with the vast majority of what he posted right above.

 

[compuwiz1]

I do not always agree with sportage, but I have to agree with the vast majority of what he posted right above.

Obama care is garbage. Most people I know who are on it have absolutely shit coverage with very high deductibles, only because they were forced to buy it. Those who can't afford to pay for it and have it, also have shit coverage. How about we make this country great and prosperous again, where employers can hire people who want to work full time and can once again provide medical coverage? How about we start to empower people again to accomplish great things and stop enabling them to be so dependent on the government? We are raising a society of lazy, entitled, spoiled brats. We are not doing people any favors by enabling them to stay down in the mud. We are creating a society of slaves to poverty and government dependence. Don't deny it, it's a fact.

 

[MongGrel]

Obama care is garbage. Most people I know who are on it have absolutely shit coverage with very high deductibles, only because they were forced to buy it. Those who can't afford to pay for it and have it, also have shit coverage. How about we make this country great and prosperous again, where employers can hire people who want to work full time and can once again provide medical coverage? How about we start to empower people again to accomplish great things and stop enabling them to be so dependent on the government? We are raising a society of lazy, entitled, spoiled brats. We are not doing people any favors by enabling them to stay down in the mud. We are creating a society of slaves to poverty and government dependence. Don't deny it, it's a fact.

I'm currently unemployed, and used to make about 75 K a year with a lot of benefits.

I don't need to be preached at about what people need to be empowered to do.

I was working part time when I was 14 around 1975 and have pretty much worked full time since 1980.

Middle class jobs in manufacturing have been farmed out all over the place, I have done aerospace work the vast majority of the last 20 years.

I'm not even on unemployment or any government program at the moment, I'm depleting my savings from the last 30 years working in tool shops. Fortunately the wife makes pretty decent money also in the mean time, and we have no children.

You seem to be way off in thinking I want to "entitle" anyone.

What are you saying really ? Bernie is going to wave a magic wand with no support for legislation ?

I'm confused.

 

[compuwiz1]

I'm currently unemployed, and used to make about 75 K a year with a lot of benefits.

I don't need to be preached at about what people need to be empowered to do.

I was working part time when I was 14 around 1975 and have pretty much worked full time since 1980.

Middle class jobs in manufacturing have been farmed out all over the place, I have done aerospace work the vast majority of the last 20 years.

I'm not even on unemployment or any government program at the moment, I'm depleting my savings from the last 30 years working in tool shops.

You seem to be way off in thinking I want to "entitle" anyone.

What are you saying really ? Bernie is going to wave a magic wand ?

I'm confused.

I've been unemployed since June. I'm not on unemployment either. My wife told me she thought we could get food stamps the other day and we had a huge argument about it. I refuse to take something, if I don't absolutely need it. Leave those programs for those who are truly in need. I still have money in the bank, excellent credit and when I have need, I will take work, but the time off is more or less my choice. I'm enjoying our break, but that break has been paid for over may years.

That was not an attack on you, but a calling out of the others who seriously expect the government to take care of them. Many of these are young people.

 

[MongGrel]

I've been unemployed since June. I'm not on unemployment either. My wife told me she thought we could get food stamps the other day and we had a huge argument about it. I refuse to take something, if I don't absolutely need it. Leave those programs for those who are truly in need. I still have money in the bank, excellent credit and when I have need, I will take work, but the time off is more or less my choice. I'm enjoying our break, but that break has been paid for over may years.

That was not an attack on you, but a calling out of the others who seriously expect the government to take care of them. Many of these are young people.

Works for me, sounds about like we're in the same boat.

I'm not taking anything from the government myself, but think I'm starting to turn into a third cat these days.

 

[boomerang]

Since the thread was started in an attempt to further prop up Sanders by our resident Bernie shill who creates multiple threads each day gushing about Sanders, I'll leave this here. I was looking for a spot for it.

Bernie Sanders, The Bum Who Wants Your Money

 

[compuwiz1]

Since the thread was started in an attempt to further prop up Sanders by our resident Bernie shill who creates multiple threads each day gushing about Sanders, I'll leave this here. I was looking for a spot for it.

Bernie Sanders, The Bum Who Wants Your Money

This is not news to me. It's still astounding that anyone thinks this guy is anything close to presidential material. He had no concept about economics, except his economics of free money to everyone....hippy style. I bet the guy has an STD. Unlike the Clintons, who are like herpes, we can be rid of him.

 

[michal1980]

What are the odds OP disappears as soon as Sanders does? Noting but Burning troll.

 

[Mai72]

Obama care is garbage. Most people I know who are on it have absolutely shit coverage with very high deductibles, only because they were forced to buy it. Those who can't afford to pay for it and have it, also have shit coverage. How about we make this country great and prosperous again, where employers can hire people who want to work full time and can once again provide medical coverage? How about we start to empower people again to accomplish great things and stop enabling them to be so dependent on the government? We are raising a society of lazy, entitled, spoiled brats. We are not doing people any favors by enabling them to stay down in the mud. We are creating a society of slaves to poverty and government dependence. Don't deny it, it's a fact.

I agree with this 1000%.

It's not even people on welfare and SSI. It's also the government workers who feel like they are entitled to an early retirement and a generous benefits package because they put in their 20 years. It's ridiculous and this is how once great nations start their decline.

Our grandfathers and great grandfathers are probably rolling in their graves now. They knew the meaning of work. They didn't give a shit if they were ill. They made it into work! They also worked many hours without complaint, and in horrible work environments. Compare that to many people today, and the differences in work ethic are huge.

Mark my word that something major is going to take place in our life time. The government is going to say that they don't have enough money, and you'll see many people put out to fend for themselves. Giving the government complete control of your life is a horrible idea.

 

[cubby1223]

"No we can't"

Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come To Pass"

What a great slogan!


I can't wait to see how people try to support this...

I sure wish I too were getting paid to post on internet forums. Pretty sweet deal you have going there!

 

[TheSlamma]

We shouldn't elect anyone that says "never" in the context of progression.

 

[TheSlamma]

Obama care is garbage. Most people I know who are on it have absolutely shit coverage with very high deductibles, only because they were forced to buy it. Those who can't afford to pay for it and have it, also have shit coverage. How about we make this country great and prosperous again, where employers can hire people who want to work full time and can once again provide medical coverage? How about we start to empower people again to accomplish great things and stop enabling them to be so dependent on the government? We are raising a society of lazy, entitled, spoiled brats. We are not doing people any favors by enabling them to stay down in the mud. We are creating a society of slaves to poverty and government dependence. Don't deny it, it's a fact.

The defenders of that crap most likely have a good paying job that is on a good plan, so ignorance is bliss, they have no idea how Romneycare.. err I mean Obamacare just isn't all that great, they are too busy defending their party instead of looking at the products the American people keep getting stuck with.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

We shouldn't elect anyone that says "never" in the context of progression.

No kidding.

 

[fskimospy]

The defenders of that crap most likely have a good paying job that is on a good plan, so ignorance is bliss, they have no idea how Romneycare.. err I mean Obamacare just isn't all that great, they are too busy defending their party instead of looking at the products the American people keep getting stuck with.

Funny, when people actually study patient satisfaction with ACA plans they like them just fine. People would know this is they weren't too busy backing their party and actually looked at what the people who use the ACA think.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...2015/jun/experiences-marketplace-and-medicaid

So it's coming in cheaper than expected, millions more are insured, and the insured people like what they have. If that's crap, sign me up for crap.

 

[Lash444]

We shouldn't elect anyone that says "never" in the context of progression.

We have a Congress with dismal approval ratings, and a presidential hopeful with big ideas. When I see people who say "electing him is a waste of time because neither the Senate or Congress will work with him to pass any of it.
What's the alternative? Elect a president who goes along with the same bullshit? Letting lobbyists make all the decisions? There's only one way to fix our problems. Continually putting people in positions who do the will of the people.
These same idiots probably pat their Congress on the back because no matter what Obama tries to do, they take the opposite viewpoint. Idiots.

 

[TheSlamma]

Funny, when people actually study patient satisfaction with ACA plans they like them just fine. People would know this is they weren't too busy backing their party and actually looked at what the people who use the ACA think.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...2015/jun/experiences-marketplace-and-medicaid

So it's coming in cheaper than expected, millions more are insured, and the insured people like what they have. If that's crap, sign me up for crap.

Insurance companies with more money than they have ever had before, the ability to still deny your claims if you don't jump through their hoops, bankruptcies filed still because co-pays and other out of pocket expenses are still too high.

It's all yours, I'm ready to move ahead.

Also, a link to a liberal bias group like Commonwealthfund? backing your bias with more bias. Seems legit.

Don't be mad cause I want to keep pushing progress further than what you are fine with settling with.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

We have a Congress with dismal approval ratings, and a presidential hopeful with big ideas. When I see people who say "electing him is a waste of time because neither the Senate or Congress will work with him to pass any of it.
What's the alternative? Elect a president who goes along with the same bullshit? Letting lobbyists make all the decisions? There's only one way to fix our problems. Continually putting people in positions who do the will of the people.
These same idiots probably pat their Congress on the back because no matter what Obama tries to do, they take the opposite viewpoint. Idiots.

He needs to starts turning the people against those in congress that stand in the way of what's best for the people. He's already been doing this, but could be a lot more vocal about it.

 

[fskimospy]

Insurance companies with more money than they have ever had before, the ability to still deny your claims if you don't jump through their hoops, bankruptcies filed still because co-pays and other out of pocket expenses are still too high.

It's all yours, I'm ready to move ahead.

Also, a link to a liberal bias group like Commonwealthfund? backing your bias with more bias. Seems legit.

Don't be mad cause I want to keep pushing progress further than what you are fine with settling with.

Liberal bias group? Wut? If you don't like them go look at plenty of other surveys on the issue. People are generally happy with their plans. You would think this information would make you happy. Why doesn't it?

I'm not mad in the slightest. If you succeed in implementing single payer I'll be super happy. I have yet to see anyone provide an even remotely credible roadmap on how to do this, however. Sanders's health care plan is a huge disappointment as it relies on the same sort of magical thinking I am used to seeing from republicans.

 

[Jhhnn]

Funny, when people actually study patient satisfaction with ACA plans they like them just fine. People would know this is they weren't too busy backing their party and actually looked at what the people who use the ACA think.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...2015/jun/experiences-marketplace-and-medicaid

So it's coming in cheaper than expected, millions more are insured, and the insured people like what they have. If that's crap, sign me up for crap.

The ravers are just embellishing Repub boilerplate with claims of personal knowledge.

It's called... (are you ready for it?).... Bullshit!

Employer sponsored plans *are* ACA compliant plans other than some still grandfathered. The employer just picks up part of the bill. Silver exchange plans are the rough equivalent of most employer sponsored plans.

I'm on Medicare while my wife & sons still at home are on an exchange plan thru Kaiser, our provider of many years. The monthly premium started out slightly less than the total cost of my previous family plan at work. If our income were lower the premiums would be subsidized.

For anybody between jobs it's often a lot cheaper than Cobra.

Hillary's remarks aren't far off the mark. "Never" is too strong a term. "Not in the foreseeable future" would be more accurate. At a functional level, they're the same thing.

Take a look at Congress & tell me I'm wrong. Might as well try to raise the dead.