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no trim support with SSD and MB-slow performance

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Rocketman122

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what would I use for a an SSD (older apple laptop drive) that doesnt have trim/GC support as well as my MB not offering this feature. I transfer, edit and erase many pics on this drive and its speed is slowly deteriorating. dont want to reinstall w7 64. a regular defrag is not recommended, so what are my options please?
 
Get a new one? The prices have dropped significantly and the performance is much better. Check out the Crucial MX100's for cheapness (yet still good quality/speed).

Even old SSD's should have garbage collection, maybe not as efficient as newer ones, but all SSD's require some sort of garbage collection built in. Perhaps delete all the old extra junk off the PC, clear all the temp files and such, and then let the PC sit at the login screen for a few hours.
 
If your ssd drive dosnt have a toolkit you may be out of luck.
The more free space the better.
You may need to get a drive has that supports optimization manually in there toolkit like intel or samsung.
 
and basically no answer to my question.

not buying a new drive, not reinstalling.

this is the situation. this is what I have to deal with.

always offer help to what the OP asks, not what he cant afford or doesnt want to do. what you think is best, isnt always best for the OP.

if there isnt a solution then simply say, I dont see a solution to your issue.

what if I use win 7 defrag? will my ssd die? will it defrag my drive.

it has gotten to the point it takes some time to open certain files. even saving an image takes time. have transfered thousands and thousands of images to the SSD, edited them and erased them so its getting tired. its noticeable.
 
Defragging isn't the same as garbage collection. So don't do that.

Back in the day, the only way to deal with an SSD that had poor garbage collection and no TRIM was to do a complete wipe. But it's been 5 years since those drives were super-common.

I understand that you're on a Mac - what's the model SSD you're working with? (System Profiler should tell you.) The manufacturer might have specific recommendations.
 
dave_the_nerd said:
. . - what's the model SSD you're working with? (System Profiler should tell you.) The manufacturer might have specific recommendations.. . .
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That's the key question, I think. I wouldn't have thought of it, myself.

Neither XP nor VISTA offer any satisfactory TRIM support. To be more specific (and as I recall) the VISTA support is only partial. This is evident from a table of OS versions which addresses that issue on the M$ support pages. But the OP implies that he's using Win 7-64, which would simply do TRIM in background if the hardware permitted it.

I'd only wonder if some firmware update to the old SSD might resolve the problem, but that's just a wild guess.
 
my fault for not writing specs beforhand

-Q6600
-4gb ram kingston hyperx 8500
-EVGA 780i FTW
-EVGA GTX660
-TOSHIBA 120gb SSD that was in an older apple laptop-dont know which though

I have my os (W7 64) setup too well to want to reinstall and then do all the tweaks and configuring. its just too much. and im new to w7 (and considering moving back to xp. really dont like w7)
 
Rocketman122 said:
my fault for not writing specs beforhand

-Q6600
-4gb ram kingston hyperx 8500
-EVGA 780i FTW
-EVGA GTX660
-TOSHIBA 120gb SSD that was in an older apple laptop-dont know which though

I have my os (W7 64) setup too well to want to reinstall and then do all the tweaks and configuring. its just too much. and im new to w7 (and considering moving back to xp. really dont like w7)
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We've got an Intel Elm Crest SSD (circa ~2011) as a boot-system disk under a 610i LGA-775 system with Win 7-64, and TRIM is implemented. I've also got an EVGA 780i motherboard, not "FTW" but still similar.

Did you try the TRIMCHECK utility to determine what's going on with that SSD?

Also, I have to ask: When you re-purposed the SSD from the laptop to the EVGA 780i system, did you perform a secure-erase on the drive before installing Win 7? Simply deleting the old partition before beginning the Windows installation doesn't do the trick.

I fully understand how you'd like to avoid a complete Windows reinstall. I arrived at that decision-crossroads myself this spring, but avoided it.

Someone else might know what the consequences would be if you cloned the Toshiba (as-is) to an HDD, secure-erased the Toshiba SSD and then clone the HDD back to it. You'd also want to perform the test from the command-line to determine whether the SSD is properly aligned, but the key action to take would be the secure-erase operation.

If in fact the Toshiba SSD has no garbage collection or TRIM support (otherwise a function of the OS version and not the mobo or processor hardware), you may want to revisit the less-pleasant solutions others provided here already.
 
BonzaiDuck said:
Someone else might know what the consequences would be if you cloned the Toshiba (as-is) to an HDD, secure-erased the Toshiba SSD and then clone the HDD back to it. You'd also want to perform the test from the command-line to determine whether the SSD is properly aligned, but the key action to take would be the secure-erase operation.

If in fact the Toshiba SSD has no garbage collection or TRIM support (otherwise a function of the OS version and not the mobo or processor hardware), you may want to revisit the less-pleasant solutions others provided here already.
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That sounds like a plan, to clone the SSD to a file, then secure erase the SSD, then re-image the SSD from the file.

Toshiba makes a few different SSDs, and ALL of them support GC, and I think most, if not all also support TRIM.

For the OP, *after* the secure erase, and the re-image, then, you need to over-provision the SSD. If it is a 128GB model, then you need to shrink the partition down to 100GB.
 
Well, I did a little googling, and going back as far as 2011, TRIM worked on Apple-supplied Toshiba SSDs.

But some of the Toshiba drives were dog slow anyway.

So... yeah. Need the model number.
 
Elixer said:
That sounds like a plan, to clone the SSD to a file, then secure erase the SSD, then re-image the SSD from the file.

Toshiba makes a few different SSDs, and ALL of them support GC, and I think most, if not all also support TRIM.

For the OP, *after* the secure erase, and the re-image, then, you need to over-provision the SSD. If it is a 128GB model, then you need to shrink the partition down to 100GB.
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That would also work, although my first inclination would be to simply clone the SSD "basic disk" partition to the HDD. I've discovered that restoring a Windows-backup image file tags the OS somewhere in Ctl-Panel->System to show "restored." That's also probably OK, but straight-up clone wouldn't show it as a result.

My prescription exemplified in my spring project. I had a "restored" Win7-64 image backup on an HDD. I tuned it with objective to eradicate all but benign Event Log errors and warnings. Then I defragged the HDD before cloning it to the SSD.

I think that's the OP's best solution: either image the OS SSD disk or clone it, secure erase it, and then either restore the image or clone again.
 
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