No thread on the democratic debate?

[Subyman]

Wrong, they asked for racial blindspots. The two candidates couldve mentioned any race but they chose blacks because of the audience. Only the Dems ask candidates how they consider themselves racist because they're white. #Whiteguiltisplayedout

Uhm, duh. You speak to your audience.

 

[Sonikku]

As if both bailouts weren't absolutely necessary.

There comes a point where one needs to allow failures to fail. Even if it can cause pain for years while the system slowly builds itself back up again wiser than it was. We're so obsessed with fixing the symptom we often end up ballooning the problem.

 

[Jhhnn]

There comes a point where one needs to allow failures to fail. Even if it can cause pain for years while the system slowly builds itself back up again wiser than it was. We're so obsessed with fixing the symptom we often end up ballooning the problem.

Yeh, we did that in the early years of the Depression, didn't we?

 

[lopri]

Very disappointed at Clinton and her inability to rise above the victim mentality. When asked about her commitment to releasing her paid speeches scripts, she could not resist retorting, "Are you going to ask him [Sanders] the same question?"

Does she think she will get to complain that she is subject to double-standard, in comparison to some imaginary male president, when she is the president? As the most powerful person, the leader of free world, does anyone think the president will have such a luxury as crying victim of double-standard, when Americans lives and welfare are at stake?

Do not get me wrong; I do detest the double-standards Clinton is often put under and defend her against them when I feel necessary. But I do not think it is something that she should harbor in her mind, let alone something she can openly cries about in her presidential campaign. It was petty, unpresidential, and off-putting.

That she did not let Sanders finish his answers in multiple instances was also unnerving. Sanders did not try to cut into her time in the middle of her answers. On some occasions her laughs were heard as Sanders finished his answers, which I thought to be rude and annoying. I cannot believe after all these years Clinton's demeanor during debates is so inconsistent and unreliable. This does not bode well for the upcoming general election debates against the Duck who will lie through his beak without any inhibition or shame.

 

[chucky2]

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That she did not let Sanders finish his answers in multiple instances was also unnerving. Sanders did not try to cut into her time in the middle of her answers. On some occasions her laughs were heard as Sanders finished his answers, which I thought to be rude and annoying. I cannot believe after all these years Clinton's demeanor during debates is so inconsistent and unreliable. This does not bode well for the upcoming general election debates against the Duck who will lie through his beak without any inhibition or shame.

Her massive ego is hard to contain. If you think Trump is bad, just watch the pathological Billary at work. She's playing the sheeple, and they are wooed by her sweet sweet nothings in their ears...

 

[Subyman]

Very disappointed at Clinton and her inability to rise above the victim mentality. When asked about her commitment to releasing her paid speeches scripts, she could not resist retorting, "Are you going to ask him [Sanders] the same question?"

Sanders's response was hilarious. He said, "Fine, I release all of my wall street speeches! I have none!" She looked dumb especially when she raised the stakes and required the repubs to release their's before she would release her's. So dumb. This is a primary Hillary, there will be time for the repubs later.

 

[SP33Demon]

Sanders's response was hilarious. He said, "Fine, I release all of my wall street speeches! I have none!" She looked dumb especially when she raised the stakes and required the repubs to release their's before she would release her's. So dumb. This is a primary Hillary, there will be time for the repubs later.

Yep, further proof she's a blabbering moron. If you thought the Colbert "lying" clip was funny, wait til the Repubs get a hold of her in the General.

 

[chucky2]

Yep, further proof she's a blabbering moron. If you thought the Colbert "lying" clip was funny, wait til the Repubs get a hold of her in the General.

Billary is a world class liar/misleader, Repubs aren't going to get hold of shit. Between the left leaning media, Hollywood, and dumbshit Repubs, Billary will be the next POTUS. Start coming to terms with that.

Hell, I just heard a commercial for her narrated by Morgan Freeman. Think how wooed the sheeple are going to be with MF talking to them.

 

[Subyman]

Yep, further proof she's a blabbering moron. If you thought the Colbert "lying" clip was funny, wait til the Repubs get a hold of her in the General.

Her memorized talking points tend to slide right off of Bernie because he breaks down the issue she is talking about and points out she is trying to reduce a complex issue to one attack on him. An example is when she tried to paint him as uncaring to the automotive industry because he voted against the EESA (financial bail out.) He said he was absolutely for the auto bail out and stimulus, but he couldn't sign away billions of tax payer dollars to wall street. The dems even introduced a separate auto specific bill, which Bernie voted for, but it was defeated. Bush, and later Obama, used the EESA to fund the auto bail out.

 

[ivwshane]

Her memorized talking points tend to slide right off of Bernie because he breaks down the issue she is talking about and points out she is trying to reduce a complex issue to one attack on him. An example is when she tried to paint him as uncaring to the automotive industry because he voted against the EESA (financial bail out.) He said he was absolutely for the auto bail out and stimulus, but he couldn't sign away billions of tax payer dollars to wall street. The dems even introduced a separate auto specific bill, which Bernie voted for, but it was defeated. Bush, and later Obama, used the EESA to fund the auto bail out.

That sounds pretty noble but at the end of the day shit needs to get done and compromises have to be made. Do you think the bailouts were necessary? Do you think the US would have had the recovery we had without them? If there were no bailouts then how would our response to the great recession be different than the countries that practiced austerity?

There is no doubt that Sanders, more often than not, is on the right side of the issues but how would he be an agent of change if no progress was ever made? What big ideas has he helped get through congress? What little changes has he authored that lead to a bigger or more significant positive change in this country?

I think bernie is great but I see little difference in him and trump when it comes to actually implementing his policies. Maybe that's what this country needs, a visionary, but I thought people were tired of broken promises and platitudes from politicians?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/0...ernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10...ers-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately

 

[chucky2]

That sounds pretty noble but at the end of the day shit needs to get done and compromises have to be made. Do you think the bailouts were necessary? Do you think the US would have had the recovery we had without them? If there were no bailouts then how would our response to the great recession be different than the countries that practiced austerity?

There is no doubt that Sanders, more often than not, is on the right side of the issues but how would he be an agent of change if no progress was ever made? What big ideas has he helped get through congress? What little changes has he authored that lead to a bigger or more significant positive change in this country?

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You say this like it's a bad thing. Maybe that's what needs to happen, a POTUS starts vetoing bills unless the bills are not polluted with a bunch of other sh1t. You want an auto bailout? Fine, keep it about the auto companies. You want a Fed funds to clean up a couple square mile highly polluted site that's leaching into a river? Good, a proper request. What? Funding for the Creationist Museum is attached to the bill? Veto. Resubmit properly.

We would hardly ever tolerate such pollution on IT initiatives, why are they necessary in Gov?

 

[Perknose]

Billary is a world class liar/misleader, Repubs aren't going to get hold of shit. Between the left leaning media, Hollywood, and dumbshit Repubs, Billary will be the next POTUS. Start coming to terms with that.

Hell, I just heard a commercial for her narrated by Morgan Freeman. Think how wooed the sheeple are going to be with MF talking to them.

Trump is a world class liar/misleader, Reagan was a world class liar/misleader (brilliant because that surface-amiable doofus apparently believed his own whole-cloth BS), and President Cheney took us to war under a miasma of lies . . . whereas I see Hillary as more of a politician with a long public snail trail of equivocation. To my mind, to say she's in the same class as those three is false equivalence at its attack ad best.

That said, I do find it hard to warm to her on any personal level. She's wooden and plodding in her public delivery, and way too measured and calculating in her responses, in stark contrast to Trump, who is one joyful charlatan, unencumbered as he is by pesky details . . . or ethics.

Hilary is a politician through and through, trying desperately to balance her positions to some imagined "center." I say imagined, because the center in American politics, once the glue that held us together, has melted away as the middle class, living the American Dream, has melted away.

One thing's for sure. Compared to the clown college array of right wing and even more right wing Republican candidates, she remains the adult in the room, and would do the least harm to our country (cue hysterical reactions form our resident 'Pubs.)

 

[echo4747]

Question regarding the notion of free college:

How would this work if certain fields are over enrolled i.e. lets say robotics what do you do? .. limit the amount of students who could major in it? Is it first come first serve. What if Billy is exceptionally brilliant/gifted in robotics but the university is unable to accept him in this field because it overenrolled?

 

[Perknose]

Question regarding the notion of free college:

How would this work if certain fields are over enrolled i.e. lets say robotics what do you do? .. limit the amount of students who could major in it? Is it first come first serve. What if Billy is exceptionally brilliant/gifted in robotics but the university is unable to accept him in this field because it overenrolled?

This is not a direct answer to your question, but I like the idea of almost free community college -- 2 yr associate degrees with an open path for the best and most motivated students to transfer to 4 yr colleges.

I say almost free (sliding scale) because I think it's important that applicants have some personal skin in the game, some investment of their own, so they value this opportunity and don't just go -- Wheeeee -- because they can.

And I think it would be necessary to beef up and make universal the offering of "remedial" classes in reading comprehension, critical thinking, and writing, since many sadly come out of HS without much proficiency in any of these.

Furthermore, I would make students repeat these intro classes over and over until/unless they demonstrate they have mastered such skills at some decent enough level that they will actually be able to benefit from whatever else they subsequently take.

I might go so far as to say that if a student fails these classes, they have to wait 6 months before re-taking them, and maybe even pay a slightly higher fee to do so. This would hopefully weed out the day trippers.

As for your question, echo, I would simply say that if more folks wanted robotics, the CC should offer more intro courses in it or any other field.

As a nation, we NEED an educated work force.

 

[ivwshane]

You say this like it's a bad thing. Maybe that's what needs to happen, a POTUS starts vetoing bills unless the bills are not polluted with a bunch of other sh1t. You want an auto bailout? Fine, keep it about the auto companies. You want a Fed funds to clean up a couple square mile highly polluted site that's leaching into a river? Good, a proper request. What? Funding for the Creationist Museum is attached to the bill? Veto. Resubmit properly.

We would hardly ever tolerate such pollution on IT initiatives, why are they necessary in Gov?

Speaking from the point of view of our country's history, yes, all or nothing changes are bad, our government was setup to enact changes slowly, which means compromising.

 

[echo4747]

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As a nation, we NEED an educated work force.[/QUOTE]

As a nation , we NEED jobs . I think there are plenty of college graduates ( educated work force) right now with some minor exceptions in certain fields. vs employment opportunities for said folk

 

[mect]

The fight for racial justice in America is not a zero-sum game.

In fact, its a symbiotic process. The more racial justice one group receives, the more our eyes are opened to all social justice.