No PCI support in Cougar Point chipsets?

[Castiel]

PCI? Should have done away with it years ago.

 

[aigomorla]

what is so important that u still need PCI?

I mean IDE is even disappearing as we speak, so why is it that you are freaking out that pci is going away?

This is the OG PCI, the one that replaced ISA, that managed to hide when AGP got tossed and still ended up being on our boards with PCI-E.

I really have no clue on why one would be so upset, when most of the hardware that even runs on PCI have compatability issues with recient OS's.

So tell me once again, why are you flipping out that pci is diappearing?

To be honest, good riddance... its slow, and much bulkier then a 4x PCI-E.

PCI is dying... its gonna be gone soon like PS/2 inputs... The higher end boards only have pci-e.

 

[Castiel]

Motherboards are an art form now... How soon everyone forgets this..

 

[aigomorla]

Motherboards are an art form now... How soon everyone forgets this..

pish... forget?

Im still running one:

:whiste:

That PCI slot is actually a PCI-X slot meant for servers.... meh..
Love that sammy board and system, but it had to get retired.

Winrar files getting too large now, and it takes too much processor power to keep up with very large files on that poor sammy.

 

[Castiel]

pish... forget?

Im still running one:

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:whiste:

:thumbsup:

I still have an IBM Blade server in my closet with quad Pentium III Xeon's. Only cool thing about it is the 15K SCSI's

 

[Golgatha]

PCIe sound cards have been available for a while.



In theory, if everything followed specification you would have no issues. :whiste:

Well, my gaming machine wouldn't be too bad to replace, but my HTPC audio card is a bit more expensive.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/08/22/asus-xonar-hdav-1-3-slim-review/1

God bless HDCP for making hardware like this necessary.

 

[toyota]

PCI? Should have done away with it years ago.

well I would still like to use my pci sound card as long as possible. I had tried a pci-e sound card but for some reason it gave me tons of issues.

 

[aigomorla]

Well, my gaming machine wouldn't be too bad to replace, but my HTPC audio card is a bit more expensive.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/08/22/asus-xonar-hdav-1-3-slim-review/1

God bless HDCP for making hardware like this necessary.

The good sound cards are pci... and a good sound card is very difficult to come by. So in a sense i feel your pain.

But i havent used a dedicated sound card in ages... To me it seems like the higher end boards have great built in sound cards.

well I would still like to use my pci sound card as long as possible. I had tried a pci-e sound card but for some reason it gave me tons of issues.

Yes, i appologize..

i forgot a bulk of us are still on pci sound cards, and your absolutely correct.. great sound cards only come in pci.

I wish they would fix that.

 

[Golgatha]

Yea, ISA was a huge slot with very little bandwidth, so it made complete sense to be rid of it long ago. Same issue with IDE (not to mention SATA are so nice for installs...anyone remember rounded IDE cables?). AGP was a bit of a transition, but it only affected graphics cards and nothing else.

However, there are still a lot of useful PCI devices out there, which are compatible with modern OSes, and many of them are expensive little boogers. PCI will die a long slow death.

 

[Golgatha]

The good sound cards are pci... and a good sound card is very difficult to come by. So in a sense i feel your pain.

I wish they would fix that.

I wish they would fix this too. Here's my other reason for wanting a PCI slot.

http://www.htomega.com/striker.html

Both of my PCI sound cards are running fine under Win7 64bit. Onboard sound is very usable anymore, but there aren't any onboard chips which come close to my dedicated PCI sound boards.

 

[aigomorla]

but wasnt PCI original only 32bit?
PCI-E introduced 64bit?

 

[Golgatha]

but wasnt PCI original only 32bit?
PCI-E introduced 64bit?

They are apples and oranges, just like IDE vs SATA.

The PCIe link is built around dedicated unidirectional couples of serial (1-bit), point-to-point connections known as lanes. This is in sharp contrast to the earlier PCI connection, which is a bus-based system where all the devices share the same bidirectional, 32-bit or 64-bit parallel bus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#Hardware_protocol_summary

 

[aigomorla]

yeah i know but thats one of the reasons why even controller cards moved to PCI-E from PCI-X even.

I guess it has to do with data saturation.

The sound card cant saturate the PCI lane like a controller card or a video card could.

 

[drizek]

Same issue with IDE (not to mention SATA are so nice for installs...anyone remember rounded IDE cables?). AGP was a bit of a transition, but it only affected graphics cards and nothing else.

However, there are still a lot of useful PCI devices out there, which are compatible with modern OSes, and many of them are expensive little boogers. PCI will die a long slow death.

I hate how small SATA connectors are. It feels like it would be so easy to just snap it right off of that $200 SSD.

The AGP transition was a pain. At some point it became impossible to find reasonably priced AGP cards, and that played a big role in forcing me to upgrade.

 

[drizek]

Well, my gaming machine wouldn't be too bad to replace, but my HTPC audio card is a bit more expensive.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/08/22/asus-xonar-hdav-1-3-slim-review/1

God bless HDCP for making hardware like this necessary.

What does that do that a video card can't?

 

[nonameo]

What does that do that a video card can't?

Fit in something other than your sole PCIE 16 slot?

I guess you could grind off the excess lanes and put it in a 1, 2, or 4, but I don't think anyone really wants to do that.

 

[MrTransistorm]

Well, my gaming machine wouldn't be too bad to replace, but my HTPC audio card is a bit more expensive.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/08/22/asus-xonar-hdav-1-3-slim-review/1

You call that expensive?

My MOTU 2408mk3 (w/PCI) was about $850. It's two separate pieces: an outboard unit and a PCI card. I could upgrade the PCI card to PCIe, but that would cost about $250! I'd be better off selling the whole system and buying another with the PCIe card included.

I'm going to try the MOTU w/PCI on my new SB build. If it doesn't work well, I'll have to use my RME Fireface. The MOTU would be preferable since the RME is for my mobile setup.

 

[Ross Ridge]

so can any of you guys turn off your PCI Chip like you can with extra marvel and realtek chips?

I doubt any motherboard would support disabling the PCI-Express to PCI bridge. It would just leave a bunch dead PCI ports on the board, and that would lead to a bunch RMAs when users try to install a PCI card and forget they disabled them. Many motherboards also connect FireWire and other chips using the PCI bus.

 

[Ross Ridge]

I really have no clue on why one would be so upset, when most of the hardware that even runs on PCI have compatability issues with recient OS's.

No, from the perspective of the operating system, a PCI card looks almost the same as PCI-Express card. A PCI-Express and PCI versions of the same card will often use the same exact driver.

PCI is dying... its gonna be gone soon like PS/2 inputs... The higher end boards only have pci-e.

While you can't see it in the picture you linked, the Asus Maximus IV Extreme has a PS/2 port. Sometimes old technology sticks around a lot longer than you think it might.

 

[drizek]

Fit in something other than your sole PCIE 16 slot?

I guess you could grind off the excess lanes and put it in a 1, 2, or 4, but I don't think anyone really wants to do that.

They make video cards with PCIe 1x connectors. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-280-_-Product

Not exactly cheap, but I'm sure there are alternatives. Also, what else other than a video card would you put in a PCIe16 slot?

And yes, when looking at SB motherboards almost all of them had at least one PS/2 port.

 

[Zap]

Motherboards are an art form now... How soon everyone forgets this..

Hey, a COAST slot!