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No, nothing got "created". YAR(eligion)T

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I've seen many threads about religions, creationism and debates about this subject in this very forum, and many seemingly intelligent people supported the theory of Creationism. This, has to end. (It could be that I got pissed off watching Knowing with Nick Cage that spawned this thread)

The creationists stipulated that because of the PERFECT conditions that we're in, that someone allows for life on Earth to be sustained, as well as Earth's perfect position away from the sun, etc... therefore there MUST be a Creator. Randomness couldn't have created something as unique as Earth...

I'm sorry, but the inverse of that is truer and makes more sense, and no one has bothered to honestly ask themselves - what if we're here because conditions were PERFECT?

Think about it, just about every single living organism on earth requires some sort of sustainable conditions for it to be alive. If the conditions are not right, they'd perish or never existed in the first place.

Why aren't there any other known planets have life on it? The answer is very simple, because conditions are not perfect to sustain life on other rocks. It's not the other way around. Out of the randomness, we are that one in gazillions chance. Yes, I just blew your mind.

Oh, sorry about the repost.
 
Flawed logic. Where does the beginning of time come from? Where does the first particles/energy come from?

Hence there is a God. You cannot explain everything.
 
What you are referring to is called the anthropic principle. Really, any argument possible for/against is already known. Do we really need to rehash everything and go through the same, tiring list of trite arguments?
 
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Flawed logic. Where does the beginning of time come from? Where does the first particles/energy come from?

Hence there is a God. You cannot explain everything.
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ahhh yes...the good old..."if science cannot 100% explain it, then there must be a god" argument.....the last bastion of the desperate.

oh, and one more thing...this forum needs another religion based argumentative topic like it needs a hole in the head.....give it up people...both sides....who the fuck cares?...enjoy what you got and quit asking so many goddamned questions.
 
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Flawed logic. Where does the beginning of time come from? Where does the first particles/energy come from?

Hence there is a God. You cannot explain everything.
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ahhh yes...the good old..."if science cannot 100% explain it, then there must be a god" argument.....the last bastion of the desperate.
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lol, the good old argument of the pseudo-scientist. Anyone worth his salt in science will tell you that there is a God. Even einstein says so. The logic is simple:

* Okay you explained everything there is to explain, you can predict the future perfectly. Lets say you proved the big bang occurs and Newton's laws of Motion hold. Now how are you going to explain WHY these scientific laws hold? or WHY did the big bang occur? Even if you say the big bang occured because all the particles in the universe were infinitely condensed - why were they infinitely condensed and where did they come from in the first place? Where did anti-matter come from in the first place? You can keep explaining things but at the end of the day, you can't explain the existence of the universe/pre-universe at all.

Its easy to observe and hypothese theories/laws but how in the world can you explain how the universe came to be in the first place?

Hence, there is no way that there is no God.
 
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Flawed logic. Where does the beginning of time come from? Where does the first particles/energy come from?

Hence there is a God. You cannot explain everything.
Click to expand...

ahhh yes...the good old..."if science cannot 100% explain it, then there must be a god" argument.....the last bastion of the desperate.
Click to expand...

lol, the good old argument of the pseudo-scientist. Anyone worth his salt in science will tell you that there is a God. Even einstein says so. The logic is simple:

* Okay you explained everything there is to explain, you can predict the future perfectly. Lets say you proved the big bang occurs and Newton's laws of Motion hold. Now how are you going to explain WHY these scientific laws hold? or WHY did the big bang occur? The "god of the Gaps" argument is flawed in itself. Even if you say the big bang occured because all the particles in the universe were infinitely condensed - why were they infinitely condensed and where did they come from in the first place? We don't know, but thats the beauty of science. Instead of throwing up our hands in the air and saying that "god did it", we search for the truth behind the mystery. Saying that a deity did it is a pure cop-out for ignorance. Where did anti-matter come from in the first place? You can keep explaining things but at the end of the day, you can't explain the existence of the universe/pre-universe at all.

Its easy to observe and hypothese theories/laws but how in the world can you explain how the universe came to be in the first place?

Hence, there is no way that there is no God. You then have to explain where god came from. Don't say he always existed as it would be equally valid to say that the universe has always existed, just that the big bang is the starting point of another era.
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Things are far from "Perfect", in fact they are very flawed. That said, Earth is within a range of conditions necessary to support Life.
 
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Flawed logic. Where does the beginning of time come from? Where does the first particles/energy come from?

Hence there is a God. You cannot explain everything.
Click to expand...

ahhh yes...the good old..."if science cannot 100% explain it, then there must be a god" argument.....the last bastion of the desperate.
Click to expand...

lol, the good old argument of the pseudo-scientist. Anyone worth his salt in science will tell you that there is a God. Even einstein says so. The logic is simple:

* Okay you explained everything there is to explain, you can predict the future perfectly. Lets say you proved the big bang occurs and Newton's laws of Motion hold. Now how are you going to explain WHY these scientific laws hold? or WHY did the big bang occur? Even if you say the big bang occured because all the particles in the universe were infinitely condensed - why were they infinitely condensed and where did they come from in the first place? Where did anti-matter come from in the first place? You can keep explaining things but at the end of the day, you can't explain the existence of the universe/pre-universe at all.

Its easy to observe and hypothese theories/laws but how in the world can you explain how the universe came to be in the first place?

Hence, there is no way that there is no God.
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Hahaha, yes all scientists (that are real scientists and not those pseudo ones) believe in god. :laugh:

The Big Bang has been proven the same way Gravity has been proven, and that is they are theories that cannot be tested and called scientific law. Doesn't mean they haven't been proven.

How come there has to be a WHY to the events occuring? They just do/did. I'm sorry if you can't accept that something just happened for no reason, but in nature things happen and the only "why" is the factors that created the imbalance prior to nature working towards a natural equilibrium.

You seem to have a lot of questions about the Big Bang Theory, and what caused it. Might I suggest you read up on String Theory, and then M-Theory (or the Brane theories). If you want to call these "branes" "God" then do that, but "God" in the Christian mindset (some all powerful, all knowing "being" that created everything) has nothing to do with it.

The "pre-universe" question is answered in the paragraph above. The second "pre-universe" option could be a Cyclic Universe.

Basically, read up on Multiverse theories. One of the things that can help explain how we are just "random chance" is the Many-worlds theory which states that for every possible outcome, a new "branch" of that timeline occured. Think of a tree, and at every "choice" that could be made a new "branch" is made that corresponds to each possible outcome. Throw a 6 sided die, and you get 6 new "branches" on the tree.

You can believe that "there is no way that there is no God" all you want, but that doesn't mean it's true. If I said "there is no way that there is no AIDs vaccine", that doesn't mean it's true. All it means is I am blinding myself to all the evidence. You want to believe in God, fine that's your choice. However, please don't act like the BSG writers and say "God did it" when you don't know the answer to something.
 
I don't understand why people get so worked up about other people's beliefs.

If you think that the world started when lightning struck a mud puddle, that's your right. I might not agree with it, but I am not going to get upset because you believe that.

Calm down buddy. It will be ok.
 
Originally posted by: NSFW
I don't understand why people get so worked up about other people's beliefs.

If you think that the world started when lightning struck a mud puddle, that's your right. I might not agree with it, but I am not going to get upset because you believe that.

Calm down buddy. It will be ok.
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You, shut up! Are you trying to destroy ATOT??? Without the constant "You are Wrong!", the internet will collapse!
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: NSFW
I don't understand why people get so worked up about other people's beliefs.

If you think that the world started when lightning struck a mud puddle, that's your right. I might not agree with it, but I am not going to get upset because you believe that.

Calm down buddy. It will be ok.
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You, shut up! Are you trying to destroy ATOT??? Without the constant "You are Wrong!", the internet will collapse!
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You're wrong.
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: NSFW
I don't understand why people get so worked up about other people's beliefs.

If you think that the world started when lightning struck a mud puddle, that's your right. I might not agree with it, but I am not going to get upset because you believe that.

Calm down buddy. It will be ok.
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You, shut up! Are you trying to destroy ATOT??? Without the constant "You are Wrong!", the internet will collapse!
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You're wrong.
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I thank you for your generous contribution to the longevity of the Internet.

 
does it really bother some poeple so much about what others beleive? this is nothing but a troll attempt by the OP.
 
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Flawed logic. Where does the beginning of time come from? Where does the first particles/energy come from?

Hence there is a God. You cannot explain everything.
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Well, where did he/she/it come from? Stop explaining the unexplainable with, "There must be a God."

Ancient peoples couldn't explain why the sun rose and fell each day, thus, a god must have done it. They were wrong.

Now, we can't explain how the universe began and where the building blocks of life came from, therefore, a god must have done it, right? No. You're wrong now just as you were wrong back when gods raised and lowered the sun, when the sun revolved around the earth, and when the earth was flat because that's how it looked. It's self-centered thinking whic people use to placate themselves into feeling like they know what's happening. The train of thought is to accept an answer, even if it's not the right one.
 
Originally posted by: leftyman
I have to admit for a Monday things have been going pretty good so far.
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All the pent up anger from the weekend come out to play Monday morning.
 
Hopefully God means for me to win the lottery. I haven't even bought a ticket, but nobody wins a one out of a someoddmillion thing just by "accident" anyway. It's just a coincidence that all the winners announced in the past had tickets. I'm going to keep praying for it...
 
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