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NO NO NO Plextor will stop selling SCSI CD-Roms and Writers........ Quit the debate scsi rules.... what a shame

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The K6 VIA boards were notorious for having hideous DMA support, and not what I consider a mature driver support despite being really old. Enabling DMA on my DVD drive back in the day blue screened my system when I tried to access it. With a system as slow as yours, your money would have been much better spent on a new motherboard, Duron and more RAM.
 
I was planning on buying a Plextor scsi 16x burnproof writer when they relesse one here in the USofA. If they don't release one, I'll buy some other companie's product. If Plextor forgets their scsi roots, they'll just be another one of the numerous ide drive companies.

Just like if Porsche decided to make transportation appliance sedans and realized that they did not need to produce sports cars any longer and so stopped making them. Porsche would then be just like any of the many other transportation appliance mfrs.

Paul
 
The K6 VIA boards were notorious for having hideous DMA support, and not what I consider a mature driver support despite being really old.

it'd be nice if I was talking about those..

notice how my Hard drive is running on a PROMISE ULTRA ATA66 CONTROLLER CARD, which is NOT built into the chipset, but rather on a PCI SLOT.

also, I'm not even using a VIA chipset! I'm using an ALi chipset.

beforehand I was on an Intel TX chipset (with my K6-2 400), which also supports ATA-33, and speeds weren't different..
 
None of that negates the fact your money was better spent elsewhere. Spending big buck on Pirelli tires won't turn your Honda Accord into a performance vehicle.
 
I am not knocking SCSI, just SCSI burners and CD-ROMS. Burnproof technology is all you need, I have a Burnproof burner, and it hasn't made one coaster yet while multitasking. And who cares whether or not you can play Quake 3 while surfing the internet and all of this other junk? CD Burners are fast nowasays, and if you can't keep off the computer while making a CD that will take 6 minutes to complete, you've got problems. I think the people complaining about this are the ones who have all SCSI parts in thier system and not 1 IDE part in thier rig. These people must think IDE is the same thing it was 2 years ago and hasn't improved at all in anyway. SCSI to me is a waste of money for the average consumer, now if your a professional, it might be different. But I think most people on here are average PC users.






<< That being said, I don't understand at all what the obession with multitasking while burning. Any system built in the last year or 2 should be able to do everyday tasks while burning CD's. Who really needs to be playing UT during the 5 minutes that it takes to burn a CD? Are you that addicted to your computer that you can't be away from it for 5 minutes? >>






Amen brother, Amen.
 


<< I am not knocking SCSI, just SCSI burners and CD-ROMS. Burnproof technology is all you need, I have a Burnproof burner, and it hasn't made one coaster yet while multitasking. And who cares whether or not you can play Quake 3 while surfing the internet and all of this other junk? CD Burners are fast nowasays, and if you can't keep off the computer while making a CD that will take 6 minutes to complete, you've got problems. I think the people complaining about this are the ones who have all SCSI parts in thier system and not 1 IDE part in thier rig. These people must think IDE is the same thing it was 2 years ago and hasn't improved at all in anyway. SCSI to me is a waste of money for the average consumer, now if your a professional, it might be different. But I think most people on here are average PC users. >>


My thoughts exactly!!!
 
I just received this from Plextor:

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Deleted by request

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So all Plex owners (myself included) can feel a little better.

Dave

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Suffice it to say, Plextor does not appear to be getting out of the SCSI business...
 


<< << Hello David,

Thank you for your email and your strong vote of confidence. I honestly have no idea how these rumors get started, but let me say categorically that what you heard from whom and when is completely without justification. Plextor remains as committed to its SCSI product offerings as much as it is to E-IDE (ATAPI). Even though the market potential for SCSI devices is less than ten (10%) percent of the overall market, it still is a niche that Plextor can support quite comfortably. Like yourself, there are hundreds of thousands of other Plextor customers that share your viewpoint and we are very sensitive to meeting the future needs of this large installed base.

Thank you for your interest in Plextor and its products. >>


Hmm, less than 10% 😉
 
what would that accomplish? well it would certainly make it seem as though I can do more (and I could) at the same time, but so could getting SCSI.

in the end, what I'm trying to say is this, SCSI is just one upgrade, and one of the only upgrades out there for the storage market (besides buying a faster HD on the same interface).

sure you can buy a new faster video card, if you want higher resolution smooth graphics, or you could buy more RAM, to run more programs (that aren't all requiring CPU attention at the same time) at once, or you could get a new CPU, which would speed up how fast applications respond to commands (also part of the memory function), and speed up how fast yesterdays games run on my computer (I say yesterday, becuase now with T&amp;L, the CPU matters less).

having a faster hard drive (and interface) allows me to start programs (including my OS) faster, and also allows programs to respond quicker if they need to use the hard drive or CDROM at all.

none of this even takes into account the fact that you are limited by IDE anyway, becuase if you have more then one device on a channel, the devices do not share bandwidth, the bandwidth is divided up into time slots instead.

with SCSI you dont' have to buy another card to get 4 devices running on seperate channels (to maintain high speeds), let alone 6 or more (in which case you'd be drawing alot of power, and might not even be a typical desktop computer anymore).
 
In my opinion 175+ for a controller is a lot. However in my case scsi cost me a whole $10.00 extra. Also 133 for a scsi drive isn't the end of the world. This argument reminds me of smp. Those who have never experienced it say it's too expensive etc but those who run smp 90% of those who i have talked to swear smp is better. Why because they have seen both. How many of you condemming scsi have tried it and can therefore make a valid conclusion. We all know synthetic benchmarks me little in real life performance. IT is however granted that the cpu utilization issue is now almost gone. Still i think all you who think scsi &quot;sucks&quot; should go out and try it and then make an iformed desicion. For those who have tried scsi and stand by your claim that scsi is worthless i can only say that having examined the fact and reasoned ratinally if this is the conlusion you come to then stick wiht it. However for those who have not informed themselves I would reserve judgement untill you have experienced both.
 
Anyone who thinks the home/enthusiast market makes up any decently big portion of the total computer market is completely ignorant of the market.

Just look at Sun, they're a $hit load bigger than AMD in terms of market cap, and they make alot more money than AMD does, and their strongest market by far is servers, and for a good reason.

And Modus, I sure hope you never become a deciding factor in purchasing servers for any corp that matter to me in some way, cause your extreme price/performance fetish would be outright dangerous to any critical envoirment.
 
Red Dawn,

<< WinModus, what's you point, that IDE Drives are a better value for most here? >>

Me point is, not only are IDE drives a better value for most people here, they are also a better value for the vast majority of corporate workstations and even small to medium sized servers. I explained the rationalle above.

Sunner,

<< Anyone who thinks the home/enthusiast market makes up any decently big portion of the total computer market is completely ignorant. >>

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the SCSI vs. IDE debate, but the number of units shipped to home users certainly is a &quot;decently big&quot; portion of the total computer market. The total predominance of business PC's in the market is just a myth, and a common-sense consideration of demographics will prove it:

Take Canada. (Please!) At least one computer in over 50% of houseolds. Four people to a houseold, 30 million people in the country, 7.5 million computers. The working population of Canada is roughly 22 million. So, to equal the home PC market, fully 1/3 of all employees would need to have their own PC. Is this the case? Of course not. We can immediately rule out most workers in the traditional fields that continue to dominate the economy: resource extraction, agriculture, manufacturing, construction. Basically only those people with a &quot;desk job&quot; will have their own PC at work. The majority of positions, even in the 21st century, do not involve access to a personal computer. So the home PC market is still a major player in terms of proportional units shipped.

Anyways, that doesn't have much to do with SCSI vs. IDE. . .

<< Just look at Sun, they're a $hit load bigger than AMD in terms of market cap, and they make alot more money than AMD does, and their strongest market by far is servers, and for a good reason. >>

Sure, bigger than AMD, but not bigger than Intel, not by far. And their proportion of computer units shipped is almost meaningless compared to Intel. But these are apples and oranges. This debate doesn't even apply to Sun products because most are meant for behemoth enterprise servers and offer only SCSI interfaces.

<< And Modus, I sure hope you never become a deciding factor in purchasing servers for any corp that matter to me in some way, cause your extreme price/performance fetish would be outright dangerous to any critical envoirment. >>

I love it when people like you insult me rather than attempt to argue the issue. It's such a clear admission of defeat, and it saves me a long and laborious procedure to achieve the same outcome.

Even so, I can't help but point out that the vast majority of environments are not &quot;mission critical&quot;. Though even in these environments, backup redundancy can be achieved with either SCSI or IDE technology. And let's not forget that an average modern computer system won't remain in service for more than two or three years, which is well prior to the high-risk portion of the device failure curve.

As far as price/performance goes, it's not a mere philosophy, open to debate, but rather a simple extension of logic applied to purchasing decisions. It is infallible, provided you establish a minimum performance cutoff and a sensible way to evaluate that performance. Price/performance does not mean cutting corners for the sake of cutting corners. It means identifying the best bang for your buck out of a selection of products that will all perform at least adequately for your requirements. Businesses that apply this logic properly will only profit.

Modus
 


<< for the love of God....what's with your sig Red Dawn?!!?! LOL >>

LOL...you insulted my CD-ROM, thus you insulted my Penis!!! You will pay dearly for that!
 
Red Dawn,

<< not only are IDE drives a better value for most people here, they are also a better value for the vast majority of corporate workstations and even small to medium sized servers. . . Nobody was arguing that.>>

Well, it sure sounded like it. Regardless, the point deserves repetition.

<< As far as Price Performance goes an Eggplant is a better value than a Hamburger, but are you going to have an Eggplant as you main course more often ora Hamburger? The Hambuger costs more, could make you fat and costs 10 times as much. >>

I won't even get into how silly it is to use a food analogy here, but I will say that you can always make price/performance work, even when buying your lunch.

First, establish your minimum performance: in this case, that would be temporary personal nourishment. Both the hamburger and the eggplant provide it. Second, you evaluate the relative performance of both products. The eggplant performs better in the health category while the hamburger outperforms the eggplant in the taste category. So which product performs best? That is entirely subjective. If you value taste above health, the hamburger is best. But if you're a health nut, the eggplant performs better in your &quot;operating environment&quot;. Not only do you have to establish that, but you also have to establish exactly how much better one product performs over another. Does the hamburger perform twice as well as the eggplant for you? If it does, and it also costs twice as much, then it represents a value equal to the eggplant. A tossup.

Now, computer hardware perfomance is not subjective. We have standardized tests that tell us exactly how well a product performs, we have accurate price survey data, and we have first hand accounts of reliability. So there is no excuse not to consider price/performance in every single computer hardware purchase.

<< it would get rather annoying. Well the same can be said about someone who always chimes in regarding price performace value, especially when that issue really isn't up for debate.! >>

That just shows how little you understand the broader concept. Price/performance is not AN issue, it is THE issue. It is the sane person's first and last consideration when spending money.

<< I think your point is on top of your head good Buddy >>

Damned straight 😉

Modus
 


<< As far as Price Performance goes an Eggplant is a better value than a Hamburger, but are you going to have an Eggplant as you main course more often ora Hamburger? The Hambuger costs more, could make you fat and costs 10 times as much. >>

No, it's more like a 20 dollar steak at a french restaurant is a better value than a burger at a fast food restaurant, but which are you going to have?

If you make $100K, then by all means, go buy that 20 dollar meal. If you work part time for minimum wage, I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to be spending 20 dollars a night just for a dinner

I still don't get why there's any argument at all. If you're broke than buy IDE. If you've got money coming out the wazoo, than by all means, buy SCSI
 
<< Sometime I just think that you guys just tout SCSI for bragging rights b/c you can host a CS game while playing Quake 3, while fragging in UT, encoding a CD at 40x, defragging both hard drives, burning 16 CDs, and scratching your ass all at the same time >>

Thas funny! LOL!!

Anyways, why do you all think I have a 950 T-Bird. IDE can tax it all it wants, my cpu just laughs and keep on heatin my house with a smile.....🙂
 
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