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No nation has ever survived without an ethnic majority

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BlancoNino

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This is something that I read on Wikipedia about Pat Buchanan (I'm bored, don't ask why I was reading about him). It's one of his talking points regarding immigration and such.

Is this true?
 
Not sure if it is true or not, but you should also ask yourself, "When was the last time there was a country amongst the top tier of success in the world which did not have an ethnic majority?" I don't know the answer to that question, but my guess is that it's been long enough since that happened and the world has changed so much since then that comparing the past with the present in such a manner is ultimately futile. There are too many differences. I have been wrong before though. I'd love to read about this from someone here with more insight.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
how the hell do you come up with a country with no ethnic majority?
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20% of this, 30% of that, 35 % of them and a 15% pinch of those idiots, and presto, no ethnic majority.
 
Originally posted by: SpunkyJones
Originally posted by: sdifox
how the hell do you come up with a country with no ethnic majority?
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20% of this, 30% of that, 35 % of them and a 15% pinch of those idiots, and presto, no ethnic majority.
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I just can't think of any examples... Yugoslavia doesn't work because they are all South Slavs. The blow up is more economy fuelled + old grudges.
 
Sounds like a misleading statement, really. It's probably more accurate to state, "No nation has ever survived without a majority of its populace sharing economic goals." Those things just often happen to overlay on top of ethnic lines.
 
Define nation. Define survival.

Without those definitions, it is a useless statement because it has no meaning. I take that back, it is worse than useless. While it has no meaning, it gives hatred (zenophobia, racism, etc) a cause.

I could just as accurately say "No nation has ever survived". No useless, ethnic-anger-inducing phrase is necessary to tack on. I will be just as accurate at Buchanan in my undefined statement. Now, if I define the terms, then I can be correct or I can be false. Same goes with Buchanan.

Suppose I define survival as being essentially the same government for 10 years. Guess what, in that case both Buchanan and I are completely incorrect. Many nations (ethnic majority or not) have met that criteria and survived. But what if I make the definition of survival be the same government type for 10,000 years. With this definition, no country or nation has met the criteria and thus both Buchanan and I are correct.

Now, of course, you can cherry-pick an arbitrary length of time where Buchanan is correct and I am incorrect. All this means is that Buchanan's statement is completely arbitrary. Again, it is useless and meaningless but induces hatred.
 
How about, "No nation has ever survived that was constantly fighting against itself." ?

Ethnic divisions are arbitrary.
 
Cannot confirm that quote.

You need one predominate culture for the sake of unity, no doubt. Cultural segmentation of the populace of course induces friction, discord, etc.

Nothing wrong with preferring your own culture, but you must adopt the culture (to a degree at least) of the land you reside in if you expect to live in harmony.

Some people are too enamored with their own "culture" to realize it's holding them back.
 
I still like the melting pot ideal. When I was young, the most popular condiment was ketchup. Now it's salsa. Chinese restaurants are as American as apple-pie now. There's one everywhere and pretty much everyone has tried Chinese food. Before, when we thought of the All American Girl, she was blond and blue-eyed. Now many of us could imagine someone like Jessica Alba as being an All American girl.

Honest, hard-working, family oriented, kind, welcoming and giving -- these are the American culture and values that should be preserved. All you guys are worked up over stupid crap like 1st generation immigrants speaking their own language with one another (I have never met any kid who was born here who didn't speak English so I don't think it's a problem)
 
Originally posted by: StormRider
I still like the melting pot ideal. When I was young, the most popular condiment was ketchup. Now it's salsa. Chinese restaurants are as American as apple-pie now. There's one everywhere and pretty much everyone has tried Chinese food. Before, when we thought of the All American Girl, she was blond and blue-eyed. Now many of us could imagine someone like Jessica Alba as being an All American girl.

Honest, hard-working, family oriented, kind, welcoming and giving -- these are the American culture and values that should be preserved. All you guys are worked up over stupid crap like 1st generation immigrants speaking their own language with one another (I have never met any kid who was born here who didn't speak English so I don't think it's a problem)
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: StormRider
I still like the melting pot ideal. When I was young, the most popular condiment was ketchup. Now it's salsa. Chinese restaurants are as American as apple-pie now. There's one everywhere and pretty much everyone has tried Chinese food. Before, when we thought of the All American Girl, she was blond and blue-eyed. Now many of us could imagine someone like Jessica Alba as being an All American girl.

Honest, hard-working, family oriented, kind, welcoming and giving -- these are the American culture and values that should be preserved. All you guys are worked up over stupid crap like 1st generation immigrants speaking their own language with one another (I have never met any kid who was born here who didn't speak English so I don't think it's a problem)
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Pretty much sums it up. /thread
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
The way illegal immigration is going, soon enough, Hispanic will be the ethnic majority in the USA.
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By legal definition, maybe. However, there are so many Hispanics both legal and illegal having kids with Americans that have no Hispanic blood in them that they will soon just be another part of the melting pot. The value of retaining the Spanish language in these families is also at a decline. It's a slow change but it is happening.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
The way illegal immigration is going, soon enough, Hispanic will be the ethnic majority in the USA.
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People said the exact same thing about the Italians, Irish, and German immigrants in their time.
 
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
This is something that I read on Wikipedia about Pat Buchanan (I'm bored, don't ask why I was reading about him). It's one of his talking points regarding immigration and such.

Is this true?
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PB is like a WW II bombing mission. It takes 100 planes full of bombs to get a couple on target. The rest wipe out everything in the neighborhoods around the target.

I cannot think of any nation that did not have an ethnic majority. But to give a better argument, most road kill does not survive getting off of the road.

 
No nation has ever survived without an ethnic majority
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How many have tried?

What's wrong with being the first to do so?
The fact that no nation has ever done it before doesn't mean that they tried to do it and failed numerous times.
This is all assuming that the statement is correct to begin with.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Define nation. Define survival.

Without those definitions, it is a useless statement because it has no meaning. I take that back, it is worse than useless. While it has no meaning, it gives hatred (zenophobia, racism, etc) a cause.

I could just as accurately say "No nation has ever survived". No useless, ethnic-anger-inducing phrase is necessary to tack on. I will be just as accurate at Buchanan in my undefined statement. Now, if I define the terms, then I can be correct or I can be false. Same goes with Buchanan.

Suppose I define survival as being essentially the same government for 10 years. Guess what, in that case both Buchanan and I are completely incorrect. Many nations (ethnic majority or not) have met that criteria and survived. But what if I make the definition of survival be the same government type for 10,000 years. With this definition, no country or nation has met the criteria and thus both Buchanan and I are correct.

Now, of course, you can cherry-pick an arbitrary length of time where Buchanan is correct and I am incorrect. All this means is that Buchanan's statement is completely arbitrary. Again, it is useless and meaningless but induces hatred.
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Well said. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: BoomerD
The way illegal immigration is going, soon enough, Hispanic will be the ethnic majority in the USA.
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People said the exact same thing about the Italians, Irish, and German immigrants in their time.
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The Italians and Germans didn't come to this country and reproduce like a bunch of rabbits. (or Mormons) Yes, back in the 19th century, it was normal for farming families to have lots of kids, but once they moved off the farm, family size usually dropped dramatically.
 
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